Polymorph Constructs?

[Hanuman]

So if I have a golem or whatever, something classified as a construct without a con score or living construct type, can it be polymorphed?

Can familiars be polymorphed?

[Czin]

So if I have a golem or whatever, something classified as a construct without a con score or living construct type, can it be polymorphed?

Can familiars be polymorphed?

Polymorph any object would work on non-living constructs (I think it would any way, it is called polymorph any object after all), but as polymorph any object is subject to spell resistance, it would not affect Golems who are pretty much all spell immune.

[Hanuman]

Polymorph any object would work on non-living constructs (I think it would any way, it is called polymorph any object after all), but as polymorph any object is subject to spell resistance, it would not affect Golems who are pretty much all spell immune.

So lets say, an undead necromancer couldn't cast polymorph on himself?

[Munchkin-Masher]

So lets say, an undead necromancer couldn't cast polymorph on himself?

What? yes he could. Undead aren't immune to polymorph, and those that are (lich for example) have an exception in their immunity that allows spells cast by themselves.

You couldn't cast it on a Golem because Golems have spell immunity to all spells effected by Spell resistance, and Polymorph any object is.

If your construct isn't a Golem but some other construct, then it could probably be polymorphed.

Familiars can be polymorphed.

[JBento]

So lets say, an undead necromancer couldn't cast polymorph on himself?

It could - it's just immune to Baleful Polymorph (as it allows a Fortitude save and doesn't work on objects).

[Necroticplague]

It could - it's just immune to Baleful Polymorph (as it allows a Fortitude save and doesn't work on objects).

Actually, if I remember correctly, lichs have complete immunity to all spells of the polymorph subschool specifically mentioned.So you can't polymorph a lich, and a lich can't polymorph itself.

[Czin]

Actually, if I remember correctly, lichs have complete immunity to all spells of the polymorph subschool specifically mentioned.So you can't polymorph a lich, and a lich can't polymorph itself.

There is a very specific clause regarding polymorph immunity that allows polymorph immune (but not spell immune) creatures to polymorph themselves.

[Hanuman]

Great, thanks!

[Stegyre]

What? yes he could. Undead aren't immune to polymorph, and those that are (lich for example) have an exception in their immunity that allows spells cast by themselves.

Yes, as long as he's using PAO; no, if he's using Polymorph.

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Polymorph
"Target: Willing living creature touched"

Creatures with the Undead type are "are once-living creatures animated by spiritual or supernatural forces."

In conjunction with the fact that undead are not "living creatures," when they reach 0 HP, they do not die; they are "destroyed."

So no, no undead is subject to the Polymorph spell.

Baleful Polymorph also fails, as it allows a fort. save, and creatures without a Con score are "immune to any effect that requires a Fortitude save unless the effect works on objects or is harmless." Baleful Polymorph neither works on objects nor is harmless.

POA will work, because it affects objects.

[Hanuman]

Yes, as long as he's using PAO; no, if he's using Polymorph.

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Polymorph
"Target: Willing living creature touched"

Creatures with the Undead type are "are once-living creatures animated by spiritual or supernatural forces."

In conjunction with the fact that undead are not "living creatures," when they reach 0 HP, they do not die; they are "destroyed."

So no, no undead is subject to the Polymorph spell.

Baleful Polymorph also fails, as it allows a fort. save, and creatures without a Con score are "immune to any effect that requires a Fortitude save unless the effect works on objects or is harmless." Baleful Polymorph neither works on objects nor is harmless.

POA will work, because it affects objects.

So polymorph doesnt work on undead and constructs then?

[Stegyre]

So polymorph doesnt work on undead and constructs then?

Correct. The 4th level Polymorph spell cannot affect anything that lacks a constitution score, which includes undead and constructs.

The 8th level PAO is another story.