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    So, I'm building a character who I plan to have take either Dragon Cohort and/or Leadership. Problem is, Cha is not a huge priority for him (it's not negative or anything, but he's unlikely to have more than a +1 or so). Are there feats I can use to beef up my effective leadership score? After that, are there feats to improve my cohorts? In both cases, I'm planning to take Cohorts that help the whole party in supporting roles, as opposed to, you know, killer Druids or whatever.

    If I take Dragon Cohort, I'm likely to advance the Dragon as a Marshal and/or Dragon Shaman to take advantage of his high Cha for auras.

    If I take Leadership, I'm likely to take an Artificer cohort to craft/infuse for the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talbot View Post
    So, I'm building a character who I plan to have take either Dragon Cohort and/or Leadership. Problem is, Cha is not a huge priority for him (it's not negative or anything, but he's unlikely to have more than a +1 or so). Are there feats I can use to beef up my effective leadership score? After that, are there feats to improve my cohorts? In both cases, I'm planning to take Cohorts that help the whole party in supporting roles, as opposed to, you know, killer Druids or whatever.

    If I take Dragon Cohort, I'm likely to advance the Dragon as a Marshal and/or Dragon Shaman to take advantage of his high Cha for auras.

    If I take Leadership, I'm likely to take an Artificer cohort to craft/infuse for the party.
    Off the top of my head, leadership specific feats include:

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    Assemble the Horde: +1 bonus on your Leadership score.
    For each Follower who is above 1st level, gain an extra 1st level follower.

    Class Champion: +1 bonus on your Leadership score.
    Gain two additional Followers of the highest level available for your Leadership score, but they must be the
    same class (i.e., Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, etc.) as you.

    Close Cohort: Your Cohort may be one level below your level (instead of two below, as usual).

    Ecclesiarch: You are respected by a church hierarchy.
    Add Gather Information and Know (local) to your In-Class Skill List.
    If you have the Leadership Feat, receive a +2 bonus on your Leadership score.

    Eye For Talent: +1 bonus on your Leadership score.
    You can replace Followers in 1d4 weeks (instead of the usual 1d4 months).

    Fanatical Devotion: +1 bonus on your Leadership score.
    You do not receive a penalty on your Leadership score when a Follower dies.

    Improved Leadership: +2 bonus on your Leadership score.

    Natural Leader: +2 bonus on your leadership score



    That's all I got. Hope it helps.

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    As long as your first cohort doesn't die, you shouldn't have to worry too much. At level 6, with 10 cha and no special modifiers, you'd have a 4 leadership score. Leadership score only matters when you FIRST recruit the cohort.

    Now the trickier one will be Dragon Cohort, because when you take it at 9, you'll probably have a penalty of -2 for another cohort. (It technically says familiar, animal companion, special mount, but most DMs I know also include the presence of another cohort).

    So this means that by level 9 you need to find a +3 in leadership score somehow to get that leadership score of 10 that you need to max out the ECL of your dragon cohort. This can come from some combination of charisma, the feats listed above, or the leadership chart bonuses.

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    You only need 10 charisma at first. Later 12, then 14. By level 20 you need 18, but seriously you could do it with nothing by magic items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericgrau View Post
    You only need 10 charisma at first. Later 12, then 14. By level 20 you need 18, but seriously you could do it with nothing by magic items.
    You don't need to keep your leadership score up to keep a cohort from leaving. You only need it high to recruit the cohort. So you don't really NEED to keep it up at all.

    Unless you care about followers. But if that was the case, I'd recommend a Thrallherd so you could have disposable ones.

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    I'm not yet sure I'd be taking both Leadership and Dragon Cohort, anyways (depends on party size, most likely)... but I wouldn't be taking either until a higher level, probably more like 12ish....

    Any idea where some of those feats come from? THey look useful, but I'd like to be able to reference them for the DM's sake.

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    I suspect many from Heroes of Battle, or whatever its called.

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    There is a feat that lets you use strength for leadership instead of CHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobold Esq View Post
    I suspect many from Heroes of Battle, or whatever its called.
    Actually, none of them are from Heroes of Battle. That book has Extra Followers, Improved Cohort, Inspirational Leadership and Practised Cohort (the last two deal with special rules in that book).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talbot View Post
    Any idea where some of those feats come from? THey look useful, but I'd like to be able to reference them for the DM's sake.
    Doesn't look good...

    Dragon Mag:
    Assemble the Horde:your Leadership score needs to be 4 HIGHER than your level, as stated you have 0-Cha Mod.
    Class Champion: See "Assemble the Horde"
    Close Cohort: Leadership Score needs only be 2 higher than your level.
    Eye For Talent: See "Close Cohort"
    Fanatical Devotion: LeadScore 3 higher than your level
    Improved Leadership: Need a Cha of 15

    Natural Leader: BINGO! Just need Leadership feat, and Char level 6, gives a straight +2 bonus to Leadership. Still in Dragon Mag though.


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