Hold on - how far CAN a Monk fall?

[Cogidubnus]

All the Slow Fall ability says is it improves with level. But by how much before 20th? 20ft a level? 5ft a level?

[Kylarra]

While text does "trump" table, when the two aren't in conflict, the table is a valid resource, and thus you have +10' every 2 levels until 20.

[Chess435]

20 feet at 4th
30 at 6th
40 at 8th
50 at 10th
60 at 12th
70 at 14th
80 at 16th
90 at 18th
unlimited at 20th


Hope that helps!

[mootoall]

He can fall infinitely with a Ring of Feather Fall!

[Cogidubnus]

While text does "trump" table, when the two aren't in conflict, the table is a valid resource, and thus you have +10' every 2 levels until 20.

See, I hadn't noticed it in the table (it's not so very obvious) so I was looking around all confused.

[Flickerdart]

Not as far as a Paladin.

[Keld Denar]

Monks fall, everyone dies.

[Person_Man]

Also, don't forget that in order for a Monk's Slow Fall ability to function, he needs to be "within arm’s reach of a wall." So at 20th level it's still weaker then a first level spell.

[Croverus]

My favourite thing to make monks feel special is to run games that are low magic or magic free. That's when you realize that monks are somethign special. Yes, you can do almost anything a monk can using magic and do it better, but you still need the fact that you use magic. Feather fall spell won't work in an Anti-Magic zone, as a wizard in one party found out the hard way. The monk's abilities cannot be disabled like magic can. You want that level 1 spell that can be removed with an equally common form of antimagic? Fine, I'll stick witht he ability I can rely on EVERY time I use it.

[Kurald Galain]

unlimited at 20th

There's a D&D'esque story (like OOTS but text-only) wherein a monk falls from orbit and takes zero damage because she ends up next to a wall.

[Psyren]

My favourite thing to make monks feel special is to run games that are low magic or magic free. That's when you realize that monks are somethign special. Yes, you can do almost anything a monk can using magic and do it better, but you still need the fact that you use magic. Feather fall spell won't work in an Anti-Magic zone, as a wizard in one party found out the hard way. The monk's abilities cannot be disabled like magic can. You want that level 1 spell that can be removed with an equally common form of antimagic? Fine, I'll stick witht he ability I can rely on EVERY time I use it.

So monks become special if you force everyone else to be useless. Good to know.

[The Cat Goddess]

So monks become special if you force everyone else to be useless. Good to know.

No... just spellcasters.

Barbarian, Rogues, ToB characters, etc., even Fighters all remain useful in a low/no magic setting.

[Talya]

So monks become special if you force everyone else to be useless. Good to know.

And that monk still gets his ass kicked in a fistfight with a fighter.

[Flickerdart]

My favourite thing to make monks feel special is to run games that are low magic or magic free. That's when you realize that monks are somethign special. Yes, you can do almost anything a monk can using magic and do it better, but you still need the fact that you use magic. Feather fall spell won't work in an Anti-Magic zone, as a wizard in one party found out the hard way. The monk's abilities cannot be disabled like magic can. You want that level 1 spell that can be removed with an equally common form of antimagic? Fine, I'll stick witht he ability I can rely on EVERY time I use it.

The monk's abilities can be disabled by snapping its fragile little neck. The monk doesn't suck because there are wizards. The monk sucks because against any CR-appropriate encounter it can't contribute, and taking away resources won't change that.

[Cogidubnus]

I only wanted to know cos I removed the wall stipulation for my Monk fix (cos yeah, permanent Feather Fall isn't exactly overpowered) and I needed to know how it went up.

Though I have made all the Monk's abilities extraordinary, partly because they're not based off any outside supernatural or magical force, but also because I'm building a prestige class which focuses on reinforcing universal law with its presence, damping magic, and their capstone is the ability to create an AM field, so I wanted Monks going into that to be able to use all their abilities to hunt spellcasters while doing that. So don't try flying to escape this guy - he'll follow you, grapple you, and AM field you. You'll fall and fall and fall and he'll hit the ground just fine by slowing 15ft above your corpse.

[Greenish]

My favourite thing to make monks feel special is to run games that are low magic or magic free.

So you ban monks? I mean, they do come jam-packed with magical abilities.

[Rin_Hunter]

Not as far as a Paladin.

You, sir, have made my day.

[Flickerdart]

I only wanted to know cos I removed the wall stipulation for my Monk fix (cos yeah, permanent Feather Fall isn't exactly overpowered) and I needed to know how it went up.

Though I have made all the Monk's abilities extraordinary, partly because they're not based off any outside supernatural or magical force, but also because I'm building a prestige class which focuses on reinforcing universal law with its presence, damping magic, and their capstone is the ability to create an AM field, so I wanted Monks going into that to be able to use all their abilities to hunt spellcasters while doing that. So don't try flying to escape this guy - he'll follow you, grapple you, and AM field you. You'll fall and fall and fall and he'll hit the ground just fine by slowing 15ft above your corpse.

By 20th level, anyone who's everyone travels on phantom steeds or zombie dragons with speeds far greater than the standard Monk gets. So if you're planning to match speed, you're going to need to zip around at 240ft while evading a hail of Orbs.

[Starbuck_II]

So you ban monks? I mean, they do come jam-packed with magical abilities.

No, he makes them a special snowflake by making them only magical character as far as I can tell but I could be wrong. Which would work.
Same as let only PC be a wizard would make magic awe inspiring as it can do things no one else can.

[subject42]

There's a D&D'esque story (like OOTS but text-only) wherein a monk falls from orbit and takes zero damage because she ends up next to a wall.

Does the fall need to start next to a wall, end, next to a wall, or always be next to a wall? Depending on how you do it, 20th level monks (being outsiders) would make for good orbital messenger services.

[Flickerdart]

By the wording of the ability, the Monk needs to have the wall constantly within arm's reach. The trick here is to carry around a Wall of Iron inside a Bag of Holding.

[Doc Roc]

No... just spellcasters.

Barbarian, Rogues, ToB characters, etc., even Fighters all remain useful in a low/no magic setting.

This is a common view point, but you must remember that a lot of monsters have very deadly (ex) abilities, ones you need magical items to deal with. I would be very careful, as a GM, if I went in this direction. I am, in this case, speaking from experience. I nearly TPK'd a party by accident in what we refer to as the Antimagic Shield Incident.

[Psyren]

No... just spellcasters.

Barbarian, Rogues, ToB characters, etc., even Fighters all remain useful in a low/no magic setting.

1) ToB is designed to be effective even in high-magic. That's one of the requirements of T3 - you have to be able to keep up with the big dogs even if you can't outshine them.

2) As Doc pointed out, you need to define what you consider "low magic." It's possible to make, say, a low-magic Dragon encounter (the game being called "Dungeons & Dragons" and all that) which will summarily mop the floor with your monk and fighter once they have no way to fend off the massive creature's claws, grapples, bites and breath. The rogue will also have no way to hide from its keen senses. The Barbarian can potentially do enough damage to drop it so long as he isn't grappled either.

[Starbuck_II]

1) ToB is designed to be effective even in high-magic. That's one of the requirements of T3 - you have to be able to keep up with the big dogs even if you can't outshine them.

2) As Doc pointed out, you need to define what you consider "low magic." It's possible to make, say, a low-magic Dragon encounter (the game being called "Dungeons & Dragons" and all that) which will summarily mop the floor with your monk and fighter once they have no way to fend off the massive creature's claws, grapples, bites and breath. The rogue will also have no way to hide from its keen senses. The Barbarian can potentially do enough damage to drop it so long as he isn't grappled either.

How about a dragon in an antimagic field so you can at least hurt it (they lose DR)? Doesn't help monk, but Barbarians still rock.

[Psyren]

How about a dragon in an antimagic field so you can at least hurt it (they lose DR)? Doesn't help monk, but Barbarians still rock.

Do you have a source for that ruling that DR/magic is automatically supernatural/able to be suppressed by AMF? The True Dragon entry does not support this, not does the DR ability page itself.

[linebackeru]

Do you have a source for that ruling that DR/magic is automatically supernatural/able to be suppressed by AMF? The True Dragon entry does not support this, not does the DR ability page itself.

Common sense doesn't support it either. I thought their scales were just really hard?

Isn't it ironic that the counterargument about Feather Falls is: "If you use moderate-level magic, to which the Monk doesn't have access, to negate a wizard, the Monk is better than magic"?

[Dr. Steve]

Monks can kick plenty of butt, they just need to set it up right. Sneak up on a monster and FoB to the back of the head!

[Cog]

He can fall infinitely with a Ring of Feather Fall!

He can fall infinitely, but that might not be such a great idea.

Faint transmutation; CL 1st; Forge Ring, feather fall; Price 2,200 gp.

Duration: Until landing or 1 round/level

An off-the-shelf ring will save you from 65 feet of falling.

[The Glyphstone]

He can fall infinitely, but that might not be such a great idea.


An off-the-shelf ring will save you from 65 feet of falling.

Strictly, the off-the-shelf ring will save you from any amount of falling.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems...featherFalling[/quote]

This ring is crafted with a feather pattern all around its edge. It acts exactly like a feather fall spell, activated immediately if the wearer falls more than 5 feet.

It activates automatically, so it'll be continually refreshing itself every 5ft. of falling distance with no wearer input required.

[Eldan]

He can fall infinitely, but that might not be such a great idea.


An off-the-shelf ring will save you from 65 feet of falling.

At which point, if you are still falling, the ring activates again.