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    Default The Fortune-Blessed (Lucky Base Class)

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    Yup, I'm at it again. This is just an idea that I’ve had for a long time, a “superpower” class where the power is simply having outstanding luck. I’ve tried three previous iterations of this class and this one is pretty different from all those that came before, possessing no separate Luck ability score and lacking most of the fiat abilities that they possessed.

    Beyond that, what I managed to do here is to create a character who is for all intents and purposes a normal person with tremendous luck, even at high levels. Everything from the way this class deals with damage to skills to combat to BAB and Save bonuses (which could be viewed as mere luck in-and-of themselves) allows for this class to come across as an otherwise completely normal commoner or expert 1 with tons and tons of luck added on. I’m aware that this might not be a popular concept but I wanted to see if I could make it work.

    Also, I’m very aware that this is likely a weak class, probably either tier 4 or tier 5. As rerolls aren’t the strongest strategy in existence (for several reasons) and doesn’t really fit any traditional role, building a class around luck without adding more onto it (like Fax’s excellent Luckthief) results in a weaker class as a matter of course and I accept this readily. Hopefully, anyone out there who has considered playing a luck-based class might be willing to accept it anyways.



    The Fortune-Blessed


    “Competence? Why on earth would I need that?”
    -Ter Korrain, Fortune-Blessed

    In the world, there are many who gain incredible skill in their chosen crafts, garnering notoriety for their expertise with spell and skill. As a counterpoint to these skilled individuals, there are a few individuals who can get by on their luck alone. Regularly finding money in the street, dodging death with disturbing ease, and randomly striking weak points of their opponents, these beings are favored like no others by lady luck. Despite a dearth of actual talents or skill, these fortune-blessed can accomplish feats of daunting improbability.

    Adventures: Of the many possible reasons for Fortune-Blessed to adventure, one element is always present. Namely, they all adventure by choice. A good majority, tired of living from day to day, journey to expand their coin pouches. After all, the life or luxury (or, as the case may be, a few kegs of ale) don’t pay for themselves. Other Fortune-Blessed set out to put their names in a few history books, seeing no more convenient way to do so. A rare few act as daredevils, always seeking out new ways to push their luck to the breaking point and beyond.

    Alignment: Although not all fortune-blessed are chaotic, lawful ones are exceedingly rare. The few lawful ones see probability where others do not, realizing how likely they are to succeed or fail at most tasks. The Chaotic ones, by contrast, simply note that they are lucky to have the luck that they have and intend to use it while they’ve got it. As far as good and evil, luck seems to favor the hero and villain equally, leading to an approximately equal supply of good and evil fortune-blessed and a larger group of neutral ones between them.

    Religion: Religion is a tricky subject when Fortune-Blessed are involved. Although some of them may take their luck for granted and turn their backs to religion, others are surprisingly religious. After all, in many cultures, having even half as much luck as a Fortune-Blessed is easily seen as a divine blessing. Even in cultures where this does not hold true, many a Fortune-Blessed is willing to toast to Oladimmara or other gods of chance.

    Background: It’s impossible to simply practice luck. Either you have it or you don’t. For this reason, Fortune-Blessed are born, rather than made. Although it seems reasonable to suspect enchanted childhoods (as some of them have indeed had), most of them spend their childhoods testing the extent of their luck by angering dogs, jumping off of houses, or stealing small objects.

    There is very little sense of camaraderie between Fortune-Blessed. Two or more who happen to meet in a bar are more likely to become rivals or enemies than friends.

    Race: Luck truly transcends racial borders. Any and every race can (and does) produce about equal amounts of Fortune-Blessed. How each race deals with these lucky individuals differs, however. Halflings are viewed Fortune-Blessed as credits to their race, each one a living testament to Dallah Thaun (making them more attractive targets for luckstealers in the caravan). Elves and Half-Elves view them with varying degrees of interest but rarely consider them to be anything more than statistical abnormalities. Dwarves actively discriminate against Fortune-Blessed, scoffing at the very idea of going through life without ever needing to work for what you receive. As a result, most dwarven Fortune-Blessed try to fool others (if not themselves) that their shows of luck are truly hallmarks of skill. Half-Orc Fortune-Blessed are commonly credited with exceptional guile or wisdom that they simply do not possess, leading to positions of prominence that they may not be suited for. Humans, although they may appear about as uncaring as elves or unfriendly as dwarves towards Fortune-Blessed, often carry a deep-rooted envy for those who can get by with minimal effort.

    Other Classes: Most classes are, at least initially, a bit wary about relying on an individual who needs to rely on luck. After the Fortune-Blessed completes a few stunts impossible without such luck, however, there are few classes who would find themselves opposed to having one as an ally.

    Alignment: Any
    Hit Die: d8

    Fortune-Blessed
    Level Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Special Elusive Target Bout of Luck Fate Points
    1st
    +0
    +0
    +2
    +0
    Blessed Life, Elusive Target, Improvisation (10/level), Miraculous Strike +1d6
    +1
    --
    --
    2nd
    +1
    +0
    +3
    +0
    Bonus Luck Feat, Bound for Success (natural 1s), Explosive Fortune
    +1
    1
    --
    3rd
    +2
    +1
    +3
    +1
    Aura of Luck 1, Extra Luck (1), Miraculous Strike (cover and concealment)
    +1
    1
    --
    4th
    +3
    +1
    +4
    +1
    Bonus Luck Feat, Manipulate Fortune +/- 1
    +1
    1
    1
    5th
    +3
    +1
    +4
    +1
    Extra Luck (2), Miraculous Strike +2d6
    +2
    1
    1
    6th
    +4
    +2
    +5
    +2
    Bonus Luck Feat, Easy Luck
    +2
    2
    1
    7th
    +5
    +2
    +5
    +2
    Aura of Luck II, Extra Luck (3), Miraculous Strike (flat-footed)
    +2
    2
    1
    8th
    +6/+1
    +2
    +6
    +2
    Bonus Luck Feat, Manipulate Fortune +/- 2
    +2
    2
    2
    9th
    +6/+1
    +3
    +6
    +3
    Extra Luck (4), Miraculous Strike +3d6
    +3
    2
    2
    10th
    +7/+2
    +3
    +7
    +3
    Bonus Luck Feat, Bound for Success (natural 2s)
    +3
    3
    2
    11th
    +8/+3
    +3
    +7
    +3
    Aura of Luck III, Extra Luck (5), Miraculous Strike (touch attack)
    +3
    3
    2
    12th
    +9/+4
    +4
    +8
    +4
    Bonus Luck Feat, Manipulate Fortune +/- 3
    +3
    3
    3
    13th
    +9/+4
    +4
    +8
    +4
    Extra Luck (6), Miraculous Strike +4d6
    +4
    3
    3
    14th
    +10/+5
    +4
    +9
    +4
    Bonus Luck Feat, Effortless Fortune
    +4
    4
    3
    15th
    +11/+6/+1
    +5
    +9
    +5
    Aura of Luck IV, Extra Luck (7), Miraculous Strike (damage reduction)
    +4
    4
    3
    16th
    +12/+7/+2
    +5
    +10
    +5
    Bonus Luck Feat Feat, Manipulate Fortune +/- 4
    +4
    4
    4
    17th
    +12/+7/+2
    +5
    +10
    +15
    Extra Luck (8), Miraculous Strike +5d6
    +5
    4
    4
    18th
    +13/+8/+3
    +6
    +11
    +6
    Bonus Luck Feat, Bound for Success (Natural 3s)
    +5
    5
    4
    19th
    +14/+9/+4
    +6
    +11
    +6
    Aura of Luck V, Extra Luck (9), Miraculous Strike (pierce magic)
    +5
    5
    4
    20th
    +15/+10/+5
    +6
    +12
    +6
    Bonus Luck Feat, Endless Luck, Manipulate Fortune +/- 5
    +5
    5
    5
    Class Skills (2+Int modifier per level, x4 at 1st level): Select up to seven skills that can be used untrained when taking your first level of fortune-blessed. These are your class skills.

    Class Features
    The following are all class features of the fortune-blessed.

    Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: You gain proficiency with all simple weapons and with light armor but with no shields.

    Blessed Life: At 1st level, you gain blessed life as a bonus feat (see below). Furthermore, your income from this feat is measured in gold pieces rather than silver pieces as normal.

    Notes and Explanation:
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    In addition to giving you a luck reroll to work with, this feat makes the old concept introduced in complete scoundrel of a lucky layabout living by their luck alone seem somewhat plausible. Mostly here for flavor. Though it allows for gold to be gained during downtime, it’s not much worse than a good perform modifier.


    Elusive Target (Ex): You possess an astounding knack for escaping injury. Even when hit by a sword or fireball and severely “damaged”, the injuries always appear superficial at best (and often harm little more than your ego) so long as you possess at least a single hit point. As a result, you heal hit points every hour rather than every day (much as you heal nonlethal damage) and you gain the indicated bonus to AC while wearing light armor or no armor at all. You may expend a luck reroll as an immediate action to double the bonus to AC for 1 round or heal hit points equal to half of your class level (minimum 1).

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    As everyone knows, hp has pretty much always been an abstraction, reflecting not only wounds but inspiration, exhaustion, near misses, and so forth. To allow this class to have full hit points while being no more “tough” than a normal person, these abstractions are being directly called upon. I’ll admit that this ability can be rather odd at times (such as when you are dropped down a previously described sheer cliff that was explicitly describes as having nothing to slow or cushion your fall) but these situations should be rather rare and could easily be attributed to a certain amount of pluckiness that Fortune-Blessed possess.

    That said, as this ability likely still won’t sit well by some people, here is an alternate class feature for 1st level.

    Evade Mishaps (Ex): you are quite able to avoid ambushes and traps, even if utterly unaware of them. You gain a luck bonus to your AC while flat-footed and against attacks made by traps (these bonuses do not stack) as well as to Reflex saves against traps. This bonus is equal to half of your remaining luck rerolls + 1. At 5th level and every 4 levels afterwards, this bonus is increased by +1.

    With this ability, it is indeed possible to have higher AC while flat-footed than you would otherwise have.


    Improvisation (Ex): At the start of each day, you gain a number of improvisation points equal to your class level x 10. As a free action, you may spend a number of these points up to your class level to gain a luck bonus of equal size to your next skill check this round and to make any skill check untrained for 1 round. This bonus never applies to skill checks that require more than one round to perform and does not allow such uses of trained-only skills to be used untrained.

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    This ability allows you to play the limited roll of a skill monkey when needed, having access to whatever skill you need. The number of points you gain each day may seem huge but it is easier to expend them than you might suspect (especially as 10 maximum expenditures is enough to wipe you out completely). Good when faced with specific tasks but rather poor when faced with long-term tasks.


    Miraculous Strike (Ex): As a fortune-blessed, you possess the remarkable ability to make one-in-a-million strikes with surprising accuracy. Whenever you make an attack against a target, you may expend a single luck reroll. If you do, you deal additional damage as noted in the table above. This damage starts at +1d6 at 1st level and increases by +1d6 at 5th level and every 4 levels afterwards.

    Starting at 3rd level, your attacks happen to find weak points in an enemy’s defense, ignoring cover less than total cover and concealment less than total concealment. At 7th level, attacks benefiting from this ability treat the target as being flat-footed as it finds a flaw in their stance. At 11th level, attacks benefiting from this ability are treated as touch attacks as your strikes seem magnified to chinks in the enemy’s armor. At 15th level, attacks benefiting from this ability ignore damage reduction and hardness as you always seem to strike as the weakest point. At 19th level, your attacks find the weak point even in spells, allowing attacks benefiting from this ability to ignore any miss chance or bonus to AC gained through magical means.

    The extra damage only applies against creatures who are vulnerable to critical hits, though the other effects can apply against any target. In addition, even if not expending a luck reroll, you may make these fortunate shots by mere chance. Each attack roll that you make without expending a luck roll has a 50% chance of gaining the benefit of this ability. You may not gain this benefit more than once per attack.

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    This is the class’ main form of combat As you grow more powerful, a successful use of this ability becomes more and more likely to hit and damage an opponent. To use it, however, you must either expend a limited resource or take a risk and have it work 50% of the time


    Bonus Luck Feat: At 2nd level and every 2 levels afterwards, you gain a bonus luck feat that you meet all prerequisites for.

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    That’s right, folks, this class gets as many luck feats as a fighter gains feats. As luck feats are generally less powerful and are less able to form locks and optimized builds, however, this probably doesn’t count for all that much.


    Explosive Fortune (Ex): For reasons beyond comprehension, when fortune smiles upon a fortune-blessed, it does so with nearly unbelievable gusto. Whenever you roll a maximum result on any dice roll (up to a d20), you may spend a number of luck rolls as indicated on the table below to have your fortune explode. In effect, you roll the dice again and add what you roll to the result. You may use this ability multiple times within the same round and may even target dice rolled due to this ability.

    Size of Dice # of Rerolls
    Up to d6
    1
    d8
    2
    d10
    3
    d12
    4
    d20
    5

    Notes and Explanation:
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    Borrowed from a few other systems, the idea of exploding dice seemed like a decent mechanic to put into a luck-based class. This ability might not come up too often but when it does come up, it can make a really big deal. Note that this only effects results that are actually rolled and thus can’t be used with dumb luck or better lucky than good. Also note that an “exploded” natural 20 still counts as a natural 20 if making an attack roll or saving throw (which never need exploding in the first place).


    Bout of Luck (Ex): While a fortune-blessed has a set supply of luck, they seem to be at their luckiest while in dire straits. Starting at 2nd level, you gain a temporary luck reroll at the start of each encounter. This luck reroll is spent before all other rerolls and lasts until the end of the encounter if not previously spent. At 6th level and every 4 levels afterwards, you gain an additional temporary luck reroll.

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    Because it is far too easy to go through your luck rerolls after just one or two encounters, here is an ability that helps ensure you’ll always have some at the start of a fight


    Bound For Success (Ex): You are quite unfamiliar with failure and you likely intend to stay that way. Starting at 2nd level, you need not expend luck rerolls when using luck feats to change or reroll natural 1s. Starting at 10th level, this ability also extends to natural 2s. At 18th level, it extends to natural 3s as well.

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    One of the most common uses for luck rerolls is ensuring that you don’t mess up a roll big time, and this ability helps you do so without draining your precious reserves of luck.
    In the case that a player want to reroll a damage roll and only some rolls could be rerolled through this ability, I’d suggest either letting the player reroll all such dice for free or reroll all dice at the normal cost.


    Aura of Luck (Ex): As a fortune-blessed gains more power, they learn how to share their fortune with their allies. At 3rd level, you can use your luck feats to allow allies within 30 feet of you to reroll in place of yourself and all allies within that range (including yourself) gain a +1 luck bonus on skill checks and ability checks. Every 4 levels after 3rd (7th, 11th, 15th, and 19th), you may select additional luck feats to be shared in this way and the luck bonus increases by +1. At the start of each day, you may select different luck feats to be shared in this way. If an ally moves out of range and returns, any expended luck rerolls remain expended.

    Notes and Explanation:
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    Probably one of the more important/powerful abilities, empowering allies in more than one way. Note that the bonus to skill checks doesn’t stack with the one gained through improvisation points.


    Extra Luck (Ex): Fortune-Blessed possess a seemingly endless supply of luck at times, luck that follows them wherever they go. At 3rd level and every odd level afterwards, you gain an extra luck reroll each day.

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    Again, it is very easy to run out of luck points very quickly and this ability should help to counter that to some degree.


    Fate Points (Ex): Though it is generally enough to rely on normal luck, a fortune-blessed must intercede with fate at times to make it through rough times. Starting at 4th level, you gain a number of fate points each week equal to one-fourth of your class level (leftover points from one week don’t carry into the next). Up to once per round, you may spend a Fate point to gain one of three benefits:

    Impossible Luck: You may reroll any dice roll you have made twice and use the highest result among the original roll and the two rerolls. If not rolling from a table and rolling a dice smaller than a d20, you may increase the size of the dice by one step (from a d6 to a d8, a d8 to a d10, and so forth) for the rerolls. This ability may be used even on the result of a reroll.

    Renewed Fortune: You immediately regain all spent luck rerolls that you possess or all spent improvisation point that you possess..

    Fate’s Protection: If you would be slain by any means, you are instead rendered unconscious and stable at –9 hit points.

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    Another concept loosely based on mechaics from a few RPGs that I’m familiar with. While this ability is hardly an “I win” button, it should work fairly well to help keep you going or give you a chance when you are desperate.


    Manipulate Fortune (Ex): Luck tends to work out in your favor more often than not. Starting at 4th level, whenever you or a creature within 30 feet rerolls a dice, you may impose a +1 bonus or –1 penalty to the reroll. This ability does not stack if multiple rerolls are made. At 8th level and every 4 levels afterwards, the size of this bonus and penalty is increased by 1.

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    One of the biggest problems with dice rerolls is that the rerolling target has the exact same odds of success, odds that you likely won’t like. As such, this ability helps to manipulate the odds in your favor even further when you use or force a reroll.


    Easy Luck (Ex): Starting at 6th level, luck comes as easily to you as talent may come to others. You need not spend actions to utilize your luck feats. You may not use any luck feat to influence a single dice roll more than once.

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    Taken from the fortune’s friend (and gained at the same level), it seems fairly vital to the proper functioning of a luck-based class.


    Effortless Fortune (Ex): Starting at 14th level, Luck seems to flow from you nearly endlessly and success seems to be your constant companion. Whenever you would reroll a dice or force another creature to reroll a dice, two rerolls are made and you select which one is used. If both of these rerolls land on even numbers, any luck reroll(s) you would otherwise spend are not expended.

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    This ability is a bit of a double-whammy, giving you double the bang for your buck (reroll-wise) while helping you to reserve luck rerolls even better.


    Endless Luck (Ex): At 20th level, you are never truly out of luck. You regain one expended luck reroll each round while in an encounter and otherwise regain one such reroll every minute. In addition, you may alter the result of a single dice roll any number of times in a single round through the use of your luck feats. Each additional reroll spent in this way is affected by your effortless fortune class feature separately.

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    With this capstone, it is now possible to “fish” for a natural 20 when rolling dice and it is rather difficult to completely run out of dice rolls.

    Also, the combination of this ability with effortless luck and explosive fortune is quite purposeful, allowing you to potentially gain an absolutely huge dice roll if you are willing to go nova.


    Epic Fortune-Blessed
    Level Special Elusive Target Bout of Luck Fate Points
    21st Extra Luck (10), Miraculous Strike +6d6
    +6
    5
    5
    22nd Bonus Luck Feat
    +6
    6
    5
    23rd Aura of Luck VI, Extra Luck (11)
    +6
    6
    5
    24th Bonus Luck Feat, Manipulate Fortune +/-6
    +6
    6
    6
    25th Extra Luck (12), Miraculous Strike +7d6
    +7
    6
    6
    26th Bonus Luck Feat, Bound For Success (Natural 4s)
    +7
    7
    6
    27th Aura of Luck VII, Extra Luck (13)
    +7
    7
    6
    28th Bonus Luck Feat, Manipulate Fortune +/-7
    +7
    7
    7
    29th Extra Luck (14), Miraculous Strike +8d6
    +8
    7
    7
    30th Bonus Luck Feat
    +8
    8
    7
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    I dont consider myself an expert on the tiers by any means, but I dont think this is tier 4-5, more like 3-4. The sheer versatility of this class is whats making me say this, since it does whatever it tries rather well, and will almost always roll above average; an advantage that helps to balance the lower number of dice rolled, as well as the lower modifiers.

    I really like the flavor of the class, and the features are interesting. My only issue is the sheer number of points and rerolls that need to be kept track of (yes, I usually play mundane classes) but thats probably not as much of an issue as I feel it is.

    Im bookmarking this, in case I have a chance to play it (no pun intended)
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    good work as usual
    its a intresting concept i have to say
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    Note to Mods: PLEASE DO NOT LOCK THIS THREAD!

    A player in my game asked to use this class. I gave the following feedback that would needed to be altered in order for the class to be allowed. It may be useful or not, I'm adding it for reference.

    1. Improvisation (Ex):
    At the start of each day, you gain a number of inspiration points equal to your class level x 10. As a free action, you may spend a number of these points up to your class level to gain a luck bonus of equal size to your next skill check this round and to make any skill check untrained for 1 round. This bonus never applies to skill checks that require more than one round to perform and does not allow such uses of trained-only skills to be used untrained.

    The chart for the class needs to list improvisation points (10 per class level).

    2. Bout of Luck (Ex):
    While a fortune-blessed has a set supply of luck, they seem to be at their luckiest while in dire straits. Starting at 2nd level, you gain a temporary luck reroll at the start of each encounter. This luck reroll is spent before all other rerolls and lasts until the end of the encounter if not previously spent. At 6th level and every 4 levels afterwards, you gain an additional temporary luck reroll.

    This is a very clunky mechanic. If the Fortune-Blessed need more luck rerolls then give them more luck rerolls, keeping track of a list of temporary rerolls and permanent rerolls is unnecessary paperwork.

    3. Bound For Success (Ex):
    You are quite unfamiliar with failure and you likely intend to stay that way. Starting at 2nd level, so long as you possess at least half of your daily luck rerolls, you need not expend luck rerolls when using luck feats to change or reroll natural 1s. Starting at 10th level, this ability also extends to natural 2s. At 18th level, it extends to natural 3s as well.

    This is also a clunky mechanic. Having to keep track of if you have half of your rerolls is unnecessary. Simply state that at level 2, natural 1s are automatically rerolled and so forth or just give more bonus rerolls.

    4. Aura of Luck (Ex)
    : As a fortune-blessed gains more power, they learn how to share their fortune with their allies. At 3rd level, select one luck feat that you possess. All allies within 30 feet who meet all prerequisites of that feat gain its benefits and all allies within range who possess at least one luck reroll (including yourself) gain a +1 luck bonus on skill checks and ability checks. Every 4 levels after 3rd (7th, 11th, 15th, and 19th), you may select additional luck feats to be shared in this way and the luck bonus increases by +1. At the start of each day, you may select different luck feats to be shared in this way. If an ally moves out of range and returns, any expended luck rerolls remain expended.

    This is clunky too. Given the ridiculous number of Luck feats there are, I'd prefer just giving a straight up luck bonus to yourself and all allies within 30 feet. Also, put the Aura of Luck Bonus and progression in the chart

    5. Extra Luck (Ex): Fortune-Blessed possess a seemingly endless supply of luck at times, luck that follows them wherever they go. At 3rd level and every odd level afterwards, you gain an extra luck reroll each day.

    This needs to be charted. Simply charted, luck rerolls outside of feats, a grand total.

    6. Fate Points (Ex): Though it is generally enough to rely on normal luck, a fortune-blessed must intercede with fate at times to make it through rough times. Starting at 4th level, you gain a number of fate points each week equal to one-fourth of your class level (leftover points from one week don’t carry into the next). Up to once per round, you may spend a Fate point to gain one of three benefits:

    These are unnecessary. Simplify this and state that Fortune Blessed gain extra action points according to the chart.

    7. Manipulate Fortune (Ex): Luck tends to work out in your favor more often than not. Starting at 4th level, whenever you or a creature within 30 feet rerolls a dice, you may impose a +1 bonus or –1 penalty to the reroll. This ability does not stack if multiple rerolls are made. At 8th level and every 4 levels afterwards, the size of this bonus and penalty is increased by 1.

    This needs to be charted along with everything else.

    8. Easy Luck (Ex):
    Starting at 6th level, luck comes as easily to you as talent may come to others. Swift and Immediate actions used by your luck feats don’t count towards your limit of such actions per round. You still can’t expend a luck reroll more than once per turn to influence the same result

    Reword this. Luck Feats don't require swift or immediate actions. No more than 1 luck reroll may be used on the same roll.

    9. Effortless Fortune (Ex): Starting at 14th level, Luck seems to flow from you nearly endlessly and success seems to be your constant companion. Whenever you would reroll a dice or force another creature to reroll a dice, two rerolls are made and you select which one is used.

    The first part is ok, the second part…

    "Furthermore, whenever you would normally spend one or more luck rerolls, there is a 50% chance that the reroll(s) are not expended."

    Is not ok. Make the chart double the luck rerolls or whatever, but extra percentile rolling is not value added.

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    I'm actually playing this class in a gestalt game at the moment, and I have very few of the complaints that Bill does. The only thing that he brings up that I dont like is the 50% chance to keep rerolls. Part of me likes it, and it fits well, but its another die roll, in an already long chain of rolls.
    The one other issue I have is that its unclear whether or not miraculous strike stacks with itself, though I assume it does. To clarify, what I want to know is, assuming I'm a FB of at least 11th level, is my target considered both flatfooted and victim to a touch attack, or just one or the other. Also, assuming it does, the other guys AC ends up at 10+size. Isnt that a bit much?
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    Default Re: The Fortune-Blessed (Lucky Base Class)

    Question: The improvisation ability specifically grants inspiration points. Do these stack with inspiration points granted by Factotum levels? Would be very interesting (and awesome) if they did. Also, the class needs more offensive punch, as it can't even UMD without dipping.


    Though I must admit, this class with Aptitude Keen Kukris and Lightning Mace would be downright terrifying...
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    Default Re: The Fortune-Blessed (Lucky Base Class)

    Bill Bisco: Your criticisms are pretty insightful and forced me to look over my own class again. With that said, allow me to point out a few of the reasons for doing what I've done.

    1. Charting the class

    The reason I haven't charted the abilities that you suggest (assuming that charting means creating a new column for them like a monk's AC bonus) is largely that the class already has a lot of charted things and I think that adding on too many columns to a noncaster class table makes the thing look incredibly ugly in my personal opinion. I don't want tables that look like excel spreadsheets.

    Even so, your point did point out that most DMs wouldn't be quite able to discern what some of these abilities do just from looking at the class table. To that end, I decided to alter the class table so that the rate of improvisation (10/level) is given on the chart along with the total number of extra rerolls given by extra luck and the size of the bonus manipulate fortune allows for. Does this help?

    2. The point of these class features

    In response to three class features (bout of fortune, fate points, and effortless fortune), you told me just to give extra luck rerolls. There are reasons why I didn't do this.

    For bout of fortune, the point was to fool-proof this class to a certain extent. No matter how many luck rerolls I give someone, you can burn through them very quickly and there will always be situations where someone mistakenly thinks no more encounters are coming for the day and goes nova too quickly. Bout of Fortune both slows the rate that you spend your "real" luck rerolls and allows you to do something in each battle even if you've already gone nova for some reason.

    For fate points, luck points weren't nearly enough to represent what's going on (and not every game uses action points if that wasn't a typo). In addition to helping you out again if you decide to go nova in battle, it can help you if you go nova with your improvisation class feature and can help ensure that crucial rolls succeed. Though the usage is rare (measured per week), this ability hardly seems pointless.

    For the second half of effortless fortune, chance was the entire point of the ability. Also, I find it kind of odd that you complain about the extra percentile roll but not the extra reroll roll (hell, the entire class is built around making extra rolls and these are the only ones you seem to have a problem with). With that said, however, I replaced the 50% percentage with another element of luck worked into the first part of the ability, dropping the rate from 50% to 25% in the process. Is the alteration any easier?

    3. Other class features and notes

    Bound for success has been altered to not rely on having over half of your rerolls. Though originally made to encourage saving some rerolls, simply having rerolls left to spend is probably enough incentive.

    Regarding easy luck, I can't say that "No more than 1 luck reroll may be used on the same roll" because some feats (advantageous avoidance, for example) require more than one luck reroll to force a reroll in the first place. I've reworded the ability, however, so things should work out.

    Aura of Luck has been altered so that the entire party isn't responsible for learning each and every feat that the fortune-blessed possesses.

    Sypher667: Miraculous Strike was never intended to stack with itself. The language has been altered to clarify that.

    Chess435: Changed the points from inspiration points to improvisation points. The problem there should be solved.
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