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    Default A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    I had an idea for a form of challenge I haven't seen before.

    Essentially it would be similar to Iron Chef, except that the 'boundaries' are randomised.

    The level built to would be chosen by a D20 roll, the 'party role' optimised for would be randomly selected from a list using the dice roller and the sources available would be SRD + 1d8 splatbooks selected by my brother who does not know what any of them are.

    So, would anyone be interested in this?

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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    See, this is why point buy stat generation was invented: because once you've played a couple games, rolling dice to determine what game you're actually playing isn't any fun.

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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    There was an optimisation type game we used to play back in the early days of 1E:
    Roll 3d6 six times, and assign the values in the order in which you rolled them.
    Now try to work out what classes might work for this character.

    This was why we moved onto 3/4d6 and re-arrange.

    Actually in one of the very first game I ever played (the only time I've used the Three books and Suppliments version of the game) we also rolled a d6 for starting level.

    Progress is a wonderful thing.
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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    What does what the original posters idea have to do with ability generation?

    If I'm understanding this right he's not suggesting this as a way to play, but to set limits for people competing to make the best possible character right?

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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    I would be interested in this, actually. I like limiting myself in strange ways, and I've been told I'm a pretty good optimizer (check my extended sig for relevant hilarity).

    I would request that the impartial part (IE; your brother) choose not from your splat books, but from a list of splat books. Maybe even a numbered list, and then he could just pick numbers rather than choosing them based on a cool name or cool cover art. Of course, once you go through the trouble of numbering them all you may as well roll 1d73 or whatever... Nevermind. Whatever works for you.
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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    Quote Originally Posted by TIPOT View Post
    What does what the original posters idea have to do with ability generation?

    If I'm understanding this right he's not suggesting this as a way to play, but to set limits for people competing to make the best possible character right?
    That's what I was going for

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyndworm View Post
    I would be interested in this, actually. I like limiting myself in strange ways, and I've been told I'm a pretty good optimizer (check my extended sig for relevant hilarity).

    I would request that the impartial part (IE; your brother) choose not from your splat books, but from a list of splat books. Maybe even a numbered list, and then he could just pick numbers rather than choosing them based on a cool name or cool cover art. Of course, once you go through the trouble of numbering them all you may as well roll 1d73 or whatever... Nevermind. Whatever works for you.
    That's a much better idea. We'd have to agree on a list though.

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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    Well, off the top of my head...

    Book of Exalted Deeds
    Book of Vile Darkness (3.0)
    Citscape
    Complete Adventurer
    Complete Arcane
    Complete Champion
    Complete Divine
    Complete Mage
    Complete Psionic
    Complete Scoundrel
    Complete Warrior
    Draconomicon
    Dragon Compendium
    Dragon Magazine
    Dragon Magic
    Drow of the Underdark
    Dungeon Master's Guide
    Dungeon Master's Guide II
    Dungeonscape
    Epic Level Handbook
    Expanded Psionics Handbook
    Fiend Folio (3.0)
    Frostburn
    Heroes of Battle
    Heroes of Horror
    Libris Mortis
    Lords of Madness
    Magic item Compendium
    Magic of Incarnum
    Miniatures Handbook
    Monster Manual
    Monster Manual II
    Monster Manual III
    Monster Manual IV
    Monster Manual V
    Oriental Adventures (3.0)
    Planar Handbook
    Player's Handbook
    Player's Handbook II
    Psionics Handbook
    Races of Destiny
    Races of Stone
    Races of the Dragon
    Races of the Wild
    Sandstorm
    Savage Species (3.0)
    Spell Compendium
    Stormwrack
    Tome of Battle
    Tome of Magic
    Unearthed Arcana
    Weapons of Legacy

    That's 52 books.
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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaranthan View Post
    rolling dice to determine what game you're actually playing isn't any fun.
    Quote Originally Posted by nedz View Post
    Progress is a wonderful thing.
    You're seeing it the wrong way.
    Imagine it's a thread, and the OP is asking advices on optimization for a character. He gives you level, class and splatbooks allowed.
    Every day you can see such requests.
    Only, in this case the variables are determined randomly.
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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyndworm View Post
    Well, off the top of my head...

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    Book of Exalted Deeds
    Book of Vile Darkness (3.0)
    Citscape
    Complete Adventurer
    Complete Arcane
    Complete Champion
    Complete Divine
    Complete Mage
    Complete Psionic
    Complete Scoundrel
    Complete Warrior
    Draconomicon
    Dragon Compendium
    Dragon Magazine
    Dragon Magic
    Drow of the Underdark
    Dungeon Master's Guide
    Dungeon Master's Guide II
    Dungeonscape
    Epic Level Handbook
    Expanded Psionics Handbook
    Fiend Folio (3.0)
    Frostburn
    Heroes of Battle
    Heroes of Horror
    Libris Mortis
    Lords of Madness
    Magic item Compendium
    Magic of Incarnum
    Miniatures Handbook
    Monster Manual
    Monster Manual II
    Monster Manual III
    Monster Manual IV
    Monster Manual V
    Oriental Adventures (3.0)
    Planar Handbook
    Player's Handbook
    Player's Handbook II
    Psionics Handbook
    Races of Destiny
    Races of Stone
    Races of the Dragon
    Races of the Wild
    Sandstorm
    Savage Species (3.0)
    Spell Compendium
    Stormwrack
    Tome of Battle
    Tome of Magic
    Unearthed Arcana
    Weapons of Legacy

    That's 52 books.
    "Off the top of your head" has 52 books in alphabetical order? Dude, your head rocks!

    Also, I'd agree a blind number system is the best way to go.

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    Default Re: A New Type of Optimisation Challenge [3.5]

    I like the list, though the books already included on the SRD shouldn't be available for random selection.

    The other thing is deciding on the list of party roles the builds could aim for, the following is just my initial idea and open to whatever discussion you like:

    1. Control
    2. Damage
    3. Defender
    4. Skills
    5. Support


    I deliberately left these quite vague as options could well end up limited as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer Angel View Post
    You're seeing it the wrong way.
    Imagine it's a thread, and the OP is asking advices on optimization for a character. He gives you level, class and splatbooks allowed.
    Every day you can see such requests.
    Only, in this case the variables are determined randomly.
    OK, but what happens when we are asked:
    Please build a level 1 skill monkey, your sources are:
    SRD + Book of Exalted Deeds + Book of Vile Darkness + Epic Level Handbook + Fiend Folio
    π = 4
    Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' Actually it's worse than that.


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