[Test Of Spite] We begin!

[Doc Roc]

Hello, I am an angry man.
Perhaps you too, are angry? Bitter? Seeking some sort of vindication in a large world spiraling oddly away from you?

~Jake, Summer, 09

Submit Your Sheet For Approval

Q: What is the Test Of Spite?
A: It's an arena with a few special characteristics.
1) Rulings are based on the rules as written, with no significant leeway for interpretation.
2) An Arena Judge's ruling is final and absolute.
3) Within the arc of the rules, all tactics are valid.
4) A banlist will gradually be developed, that insures as many builds as possible are viable much in the same way that Old Man Sagat is often not played.

Q: How do I play in the Test of Spite?
A: Submit a character for approval, then seek out a contestant here. We'll try to get sheets turned around as fast as possible, but we may have to ask questions or resolve legality issues.

Q: What systems are supported?
A: Legend and Exalted right now, with hopefully 7th Sea or another being deployed shortly.

Q: Where can I find the Legend rules?
A: The link in my signature leads to the most current beta thread.

Q: Is there a Live Chat for answering urgent questions, or running fast live matches?
A: Yes, it's the second link in my signature. It's also an IRC underneath it all, and so you can just join #Legend on irc.gamesurge.net.

Q: Are you still a bitter man?
A: Ohhh yes.

On Legend:
Standard Item Load OR Full Buy-in
Iconics are allowed.
No Cohorts
Character Level 13th

True Mage and Consumables enter legality, but must be announced. Both characters must use consumables for a fight to be legal.

Dread Secret (Skill feat) is banned pending a rewrite.
Hold Monster is banned pending a rewrite.
Granite Spike is banned due to arena size constraints.

On Exalted:
Tavar is invested fully with the powers of a head ref. The current working set of rules, bans, and changes follows.

Exalted character Creation Rules:

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• Due to resources available, only Solars, Dragonblooded, Lunars, Sidereal, Abyssals, Gods, Elementals, and Ghosts are currently allowed in the game.
• Characters gain free Ox-body Meditation charms(or equivalent charm) equal to their natural Essence. These don't count for the purpose of prerequisites, or limitations on how many times you can take it.
• Solars and Abyssals gain 5 free Excelencies from their caste or favored abilites, max of one free per ability.
• Lunars gain 2 free excelencies from their caste or Favored attributes.
• Dragonblooded and Sidereals gain 4 free excelencies from their caste, aspect, favored, or auspicious abilities.
• Sorcery initiation charms give the appropriate counter spell charm for free.
• Articulated plate and Superheavy Plate artifact armors from the core book have their artifact rating reduced by 2.
• Artifact armors from the core book have hearthstone sockets equal to [artifact rating-1], after adjustemts mentioned above.
• Lunars use these chargen rules
• Most current Errata is used, including character creation.
• Inkmonkeys material is allowed.
• Stunts currently give neither motes nor willpower.

Ban List

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• Lightspeed Body Dynamics
• Distracting Finger Gesture, from Ebon Shadow Style.
• Void Avatar Prana
• Sidereal Martial Arts besides Saphire Veils of Passion
• Charms that have been removed by errata, or pre-errata versions of charms. Make sure you know what your charms do!
• Merits and Flaws as found in Scroll of Heroes.
• Akuma
• This list is subject to change.

Matches:

Legend
Nohwl vs. Bucky
Master_Rahl22 vs. theterran
TheAmishPirate vs. theterran
Bucky vs. Radar
Radar vs. Devmaar
Nohwl vs. Radar

Exalted
knightMARE vs. Mr.Bookworm
Geigan vs. knightMARE
knightMARE vs. Mr.Bookworm again
Tavar vs. knightMARE

[IthilanorStPete]

Yay!

One thing that should probably be clarified in the OP - for Legend, are [Iconic]s allowed? I presume so, but it should be said.

[Claudius Maximus]

Oh man I'm not even ready.

Can someone else take over sheet duty for Legend until I emerge, bloody and grizzled, from the depths of this final project? It shouldn't take more than a day or two, but I wouldn't want to set you guys back even that much.

[term1nally s1ck]

In theory, yes. Send em over my way.

[Doc Roc]

I'll cover too. Legend sheets are easier to check.

[Master_Rahl22]

Which stat generation method is being used for Legends?

[Doc Roc]

Which stat generation method is being used for Legends?

Let's go with Array for now, since it simplifies sheet checking.

[Khyber]

Oh, I've not PvPed much ever, but I was a avid lurker of the old ToS games, and would be interested in trying my hand as a legend contender!

Hmm, we should have some team ToS matches as well, some of the classes really do lend themselves more to support and setting up others, is that an option?

[grimbold]

this seems interesting
i will look into it

[IthilanorStPete]

this seems interesting
i will look into it

But aren't you busy taking your company right, once we pass the wall?

[Amphetryon]

Doc, you have my sheet for approval. I'd rather not face off against a Sage or Shaman first-off, if possible.

[Claudius Maximus]

I have returned, and can handle sheets and such now.

Are we going to use the old email sheet depository or what?

[Master_Rahl22]

In what format should we send in a Legends sheet? Just list all applicable stats or what?

[Doc Roc]

In what format should we send in a Legends sheet? Just list all applicable stats or what?

For now that'll work!

Actually, yes, let's use the old sheet repo. It'll feel nice and retro.

[Tavar]

For those interested, here are some Exalted sheets.
Reynard's Sheets:

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Solar, Abyssal and Infernal Sheet

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Name:
Exalt Type and Caste:
Anima:

Motivation:

Urge [If Infernal]

Background:

Attributes

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Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 8
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●

Abilities (Specializations +)

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[Note: Place [C]aste and [F]avoured tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 28
(If using Dawn Solution rules, 4 free specialty dots, and Abilities can be raised to 5 without BP)

Archery
Martial Arts
Melee
Thrown
War

Integrity
Performance
Presence
Resistance
Survival

Craft
Investigate
Lore
Medicine
Occult

Athletics
Awareness
Dodge
Larceny
Stealth

Bureaucracy
Linguistics
Ride
Sail
Socialize

Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:

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Backgrounds:

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]

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Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]

Resources: X
Reason for value

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> [List of purchases, and sources]

Charms

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Ability/Yozi
Excellencies
[Charms]

Combos:

Combat Stats:

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Join Combat:

Attacks:

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Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3

Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw/Flawed Virtue:

Intimacies:

Languages:
??? (Native)

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) [(Permanent Essence x3)+Willpower]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(Permanent Essence x7)+Willpower)+Sum of Virtues]

Bonus Points and XP:

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Bonus Points:

Total: 15/15 (18/18 If using Dawn Solution rules.) | Flaws:

Experience Points. Spent: X | Left: Y | Total: Z

Lunar Sheet

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Name:
Caste:
Spirit Animal:
Anima:
Tell:

Motivation:

Background:

Attributes

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Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 8 [9 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6 [7 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4 [5 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
[Note: Place [C]aste and [F]avoured tags, for clarity. Casteless do not get Caste abilities, obviously]
(Specializations +)

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●

Abilities (Specializations +)

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[Note: Place [F]avoured tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 25 [28 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
(If using Dawn Solution rules, 4 free specialty dots)

Archery
Martial Arts
Melee
Thrown
War

Integrity
Performance
Presence
Resistance
[F]Survival

Craft
Investigate
Lore
Medicine
Occult

Athletics
Awareness
Dodge
Larceny
Stealth

Bureaucracy
Linguistics
Ride
Sail
Socialize

Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:

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Backgrounds:

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]

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Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]

Resources: X
Reason for value

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> [List of purchases, and sources]

Charms and Knacks

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Attribute
Excellencies
[Charms]

Knacks:

Combos:

Combat Stats:

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Join Combat:

Attacks:

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Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3

Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw/Flawed Virtue:

Intimacies:

Languages:
??? (Native)

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [Permanent Essence+(Willpower x2)]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(((Permanent Essence x4)+Willpower x2)+Highest Virtue x4]

Bonus Points and XP:

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Bonus Points:

Total: 15/15 (18/18 If using Dawn Solution rules.) | Flaws:

Experience Points. Spent: X | Left: Y | Total: Z

Sidereal Sheet

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Name:
Exalt Type and Caste:
Anima:
Anima Power:

Motivation:

Faction:

Background:

Attributes

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Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 8
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●

Abilities (Specializations +)

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[Note: Place [A]uspicious and [F]avoured (You get four) tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 35, with at least 15 in Auspicious and Favoured.
(If using Dawn Solution rules, 4 free specialty dots)
Caste Requirements:

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The character must have at least Awareness ••, Bureaucracy ••, Linguistics (Old Realm) •, Lore •••, Martial Arts ••, Occult ••, Socialize •, Stealth • and at least one dot in Archery, Melee or Thrown. There are additional restrictions based on caste:

Chosen of Journeys must have Athletics ••, Linguistics (Old Realm and an appropriate additional language) ••, Resistance ••, Survival •• and Ride or Sail •••.

Chosen of Serenity must have either Craft or Performance ••, Linguistics •• (focusing on eloquent speaking and writing rather than languages), Medicine ••, Presence •• and Socialize •••.

Chosen of Battles must have Archery or Melee •••, Athletics ••, Dodge ••, Presence •• and War ••.

Chosen of Secrets must have Awareness ••, Investigation •••, Larceny ••, Socialize •• and Stealth ••.

Chosen of Endings must have Awareness ••, Dodge ••, Integrity ••, Martial Arts ••• and Stealth ••.

Journeys
Resistance:
Ride:
Sail:
Survival:
Thrown:

Serenity
Craft:
Dodge:
Linguistics:
Performance:
Socialize:

Battles
Archery:
Athletics:
Melee:
Presence:
War:

Secrets
Investigation:
Larceny:
Lore:
Occult:
Stealth:

Endings
Awareness:
Bureaucracy:
Integrity:
Martial Arts:
Medicine:

Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:

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Backgrounds:

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]

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Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]

Resources: X
Reason for value

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> [List of purchases, and sources]

Charms

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Ability
Excellencies
[Charms]

Combos:

Combat Stats:

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Join Combat: 9 +1 Sux

Attacks:

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Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3

Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw/Flawed Virtue:

Intimacies:

Languages:
??? (Native)

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(Permanent Essence x2)+(Willpower)]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(((Permanent Essence x6)+Willpower 2)+Sum of all Virtues]

Bonus Points and XP:

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Bonus Points:

Total: 15/15 (18/18 If using Dawn Solution rules.) | Flaws:

[B]Experience Points. Spent: X | Left: Y | Total: Z

[Claudius Maximus]

Doc, you should probably add the submission link to the OP. Here it is for now though:

Submit Your Sheet For Approval

Presumably people should note the system of the sheet, though I guess it will probably be pretty clear at a glance.

[Draz74]

What if I'm game to stat up some Legend characters, but don't want to spend time on actually playing them as they fight their battles?

[The Rose Dragon]

Tavar, I hope that your sanity is not irrevocably eroded through this trying experience to come.

[Tavar]

Eh, sanity is for the weak. Plus, so far, no one's submitted any Exalted sheets.

[Mr.Bookworm]

I was going to submit a sheet I made for another game, but then I realized he had 10 points of Flaws.

So, questions/comments for Exalted (not familiar with Legend yet).

1) Just to be perfectly clear, this is standard character creation, 0 XP, right?

2) How are we going to organized fights? By tier (Solar>Celestial, etc.), or just whoever versus whoever you want to take a crack at?

3) Martial arts: Put Even Blade (stupid good), Dreaming Pearl Courtesan (flat-out broken), and Violet Bier of Sorrows (broken) on the ban list. There are probably others, but those two are the main non-SMA offenders from the SotM. If you want to put VBoS in the game, I would suggest looking up Jon Chung's rewrite.

4) Are we going to do "level" tiers eventually, for different power levels? If we do, I'd suggest using the character creation rules in DotFA (post-errata). Also neatly seperates it into levels.

[Radar]

For now that'll work!

Actually, yes, let's use the old sheet repo. It'll feel nice and retro.

If I may: is there any example of the sheet format to be seen? I didn't participate in previous ToS battles or similar activities, so obvious things might be not so for me.

Also: is there any tutorial, FAQ, list of guidelines about participating in a PvP match. I'm mostly puzzled about the balance between describing your actions and keeping secret, what my rival wouldn't know.
For example: I'm prancing around being invisible and doing stuff, that the other character can't see (my Stealth was better then his Perception) - how should I write down my actions and not give the other player informations, he shouldn't have?

It would be nice to have such helpfull information about organisational stuff for newbies laid out, so that the actual matches would run without problems.

[Tavar]

Yep, excepting that they are made with the errata'd character generation rules.

Anyone vs anyone, though I'll probably give some basic tiers later on, though it's a bit more complicated. After all, while a Dragon-blooded is lesser than a Celestial, a 600 xp Dragon-blooded would likely be able to wipe the floor with a fresh out of character generation Solar.

For those martial arts, care to explain what's so broken about them?

[Master_Rahl22]

Radar, I refer you to The Arena. It's a somewhat similar setup to ToS but at level 1. You can view the Archives and look over some matches to see what people do. Basically, you use [spoiler][/spoiler] to hide things that aren't obvious to your opponent. If you're casting a spell, you might put the DC of the Arcana check needed to identify it in front of the spoiler, and if your opponent tries and succeeds they open it. It depends on the honor system of course, but the alternative would be something like sending your actions to the GM who then PMs a separate map to each player based on what they see.

[Claudius Maximus]

I'll be watching all Legend matches as a ref to try to adjudicate things like that. I can do LoS checks and such too.

[Mr.Bookworm]

For those martial arts, care to explain what's so broken about them?

Violet Bier of Sorrows is pretty much a straight copy and paste from 1E, like a lot of the stuff in the Sidereal book. I can give you a more detailed list if you want.

Dreaming Pearl Courtesan, banning the pinnacle might be enough, since it's the really bad one (you turn into a gazellecarp, which gives you extra actions, this is a real thing).

Even Blade is, at least, mechanically the best TMA in the game, and is more on par with a low-tier CMA. At the absolute least, ban Gruesome Wood-King Revelry (Step 10 mote regainer).

[Tavar]

Please do go into detail for all, it's always helpful.

But, yeah, Dreaming Pearl Courtesan is a scene length extra action charm. Way too good. As for Even Blade...not sure. I'll look into it. For now, Gruesome Wood-King Revelry is step 1, and must be activated on each strike.

[nolispe]

So, would anyone like a combat as a celestial, then? I'd quite like to put together a character, if you'd like to as well.

[Radar]

Radar, I refer you to The Arena. It's a somewhat similar setup to ToS but at level 1. You can view the Archives and look over some matches to see what people do. Basically, you use [spoiler][/spoiler] to hide things that aren't obvious to your opponent. If you're casting a spell, you might put the DC of the Arcana check needed to identify it in front of the spoiler, and if your opponent tries and succeeds they open it. It depends on the honor system of course, but the alternative would be something like sending your actions to the GM who then PMs a separate map to each player based on what they see.

Thank you. This is, what I was looking for. No I'm off to brew a character...
For a charm of powerful trouble, Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.

[theterran]

So glad to see this back! and don't worry Doc, I'll barrage you with questions as I create my character

[Master_Rahl22]

Can we get that email submission link moved to the OP?

I submitted my fixed sheet, so assuming I didn't break anything with the fixes I have a Legend character ready to go. Anybody else ready?