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    Default Iron Chef... Appetizer Edition! (e6) II

    Yep, you get to do another one of these.

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef... EPIC 6. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D 3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient". D&D 3.5 BASE CLASS as the "secret ingredient"

    Contestants: You will need to present your build at at least one of the following points: 3rd level, 6th level, after 5 feats, after 10 feats, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.

    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59pm CUT on Tuesday, June 7th 2011 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Amechra. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient, which must make up half the build, at least.

    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue. However, this is e6, so unless you want to be smacked, I advise a lack of characters with spells of levels higher than 3. Just saying.

    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.

    I am going to have to ask the contestants to PM me about any disagreement with the judges. Under no circumstances is a contestant to defend themselves inside the thread, since it breaks anonymity.

    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!

    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    {table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack<br>Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features

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    2nd|New Class Level|
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    3rd|New Class Level|
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    4th|New Class Level|
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    5th|New Class Level|
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    6th|New Class Level|
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    {table=head][b]Level[/b]|[B]Class[/B]|[b]Base Attack<br>Bonus[/b]|[b]Fort Save[/b]|[b]Ref Save[/b]|[b]Will Save[/b]|[B]Skills[/B]|[B]Feats[/B]|[b]Class Features[/b]

    1st|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities

    2nd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities

    3rd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities

    4th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities

    5th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities

    6th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
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    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for about 5 judges and as many contestants as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Player Handbook's's Monk
    We will have trophies ABSOLUTELY NO TROPHIES for 1st through 3rd places, as well as a special lack of a trophy for honorable mention. People, vote for honorable mention by PMing me.

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    You may want to change the cooking time, because time travel is rather difficult. If the date is June 7th I may be able to compete.
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    I'll judge this one. I would like to warn contestants that there is quite a large body of monk optimization (what an ironic statment). I hope you can come up with something new.

    My criteria:

    I should mention that I'm not a big fan of many of the E6 specific feats. Prestige feats, especially, I find to be poorly balanced. Taking too many will result in a hit in elegance. Other than that, make sure it is legal, I hit illegal builds in elegance and power. UoSI is a double whammy, whatever you take has to enhance the SI, without making me wonder why you didn't take X instead of the SI.
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    Well, I do have a very interesting trick that works great with a monk, I just worry if it's considered in poor taste (yay cooking puns!) to not even start out with a level of monk if I'm making an E6 monk build, even if it fits the flavor perfectly well.
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    Wait, how can we have 6 levels of Monk? I only see 2 listed in my book. This is . . . worrisome. What, you thought I was joking? Well, you're right, but you shouldn't be. Go away.

    I'll . . . think about joining this one. The hard part this time isn't going to be coming up with something halfway decent . . . it'll be coming up with something halfway original. Rather the opposite of the last one, I dare say. If an idea strikes me, I'll see what I can do. I do have half an idea, but nowhere to really go with it. We shall see.
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    I'll judge, posting criteria after work. (Yes I post at work, No I don't care if I get fired anymore)
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    I have several ideas for monk optimization. Some of which even include actual monk levels!

    But I am totally unfamiliar with 'E6'. Where might I find more information on the particulars?
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    I have several ideas for monk optimization. Some of which even include actual monk levels!

    But I am totally unfamiliar with 'E6'. Where might I find more information on the particulars?
    Here you go.

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    Might submit something for this. No promises.
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    I'll enter. I have an idea that avoids the usual suspects of optimization.
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    Hmm, I've played a few Monks (I had barely heard of the Divine Mind) so I might give this a shot if I have time. One of them was pretty powerful too, I'll have to see if I can bring him back more optimised than ever!
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    Are we using the "LA = reduced PB" rules suggested for E6, or does LA mean HD you're never getting back?
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    I think LA=Reduced PB works fine.

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    I should note that I treat LA roughly the same as flaws.

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    Nicely done. Probably too cheesy for many tables, but I'd be inclined to allow it at mine, just for chutzpah.

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    As do I when I'm judging, Mr. corvia, but since it's as official a part of the E6 rules as any other, it's worth throwing out there.

    I . . . may have an idea. If I can make it humorous and push past the one big trick I've found for it, I may enter. No promises.
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    As do I when I'm judging, Mr. corvia, but since it's as official a part of the E6 rules as any other, it's worth throwing out there.

    I . . . may have an idea. If I can make it humorous and push past the one big trick I've found for it, I may enter. No promises.

    I'll read into it further to make sure, but I consider it as a optional a rule in E6 as I do 3.5. Its been a while since I've read that part though, so I'll reread before judging. If anyone feels it is crucial to their build and wants to make a case before hand, I'd find that more refreshing than a challenge anyway.
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    Regarding my Necrotic Apprentice trick:
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    This is brilliant.
    Regarding my Non-Epic Hidecarved Dragon:
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    Nicely done. Probably too cheesy for many tables, but I'd be inclined to allow it at mine, just for chutzpah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dextercorvia View Post
    I'll read into it further to make sure, but I consider it as a optional a rule in E6 as I do 3.5. Its been a while since I've read that part though, so I'll reread before judging. If anyone feels it is crucial to their build and wants to make a case before hand, I'd find that more refreshing than a challenge anyway.
    That's a weird road to go down. Me, I believe that no rules are optional . . . or, perhaps more accurately, that all rules are optional to the same degree. No rules are truly more or less optional than the other. There are just rules that you're accustomed to ignoring.

    Now, in vanilla 3.5, treating LA as a reduced PB would definitely be a houserule . . . but in E6, my understanding is that it's more or less baked into the system, as it were. In a vanilla 3.5 game, if I were GMing, I'd ban 95% of all LA races and templates out of hand, because I really don't like dealing with them . . . but that's no less a houserule than if I banned Druids because I don't want to deal with them. I wouldn't personally chafe under either, and everything is subject to GM purview, but that doesn't mean that anything in particular is more or less optional than anything else, since anything can be tweaked or banned.

    I'm not willing to belabor the point. It's highly unlikely that I'll need LA anyway. I just want to know if it's on the table.
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    On the topic of LA, I believe it was directly answered:

    Q: With only 6 levels, how do races with a level adjustment work?

    If you use races with a level adjustment, the 6th level cap is a big issue. Use the point buy rules in the DMG as follows:
    LA Point buy
    +0 32
    +1 25
    +2 18
    +3 10
    +4 00

    Thus, +LA races should start with zero LA, but use the point buy listed here. Keep in mind the difference between LA and racial hit dice (the two combine to give starting ECL).
    It's an interesting game, one which a monk might do well in. I've got some ideas, anyways.

    Too bad Wholeness of Body is 7th level...

    Questions for judges:

    How do you feel about the following options:

    * Variant Class Features from UA/SRD
    *ACF's from other splatbooks
    * Using races from various MM or other splatbook sources, possibly obscure ones, even if they might be +0 LA, but have racial abilities which mesh with the conceptual design of the character
    * Alignment changes mid-character build, to be able to take classes that prohibit Lawful alignments (i.e. 'I started out x alignment, then I had a Life Changing Event and moved to Y alignment' kind of thing)
    * How strict are you on adhering to alignment restrictions on classes
    * How strict are you on multiclassing penalties (and on the monk's specific restriction on not going back to monk once you leave it)
    * How bad do you hit someone in Elegance or Use of Ingredient for one-level dips?
    * TWF and Monk Unarmed Attack. Do they work together? Would you hit someone in Elegance for it? Would it be a minor hit (shady rules interpretation) or a major one (blatant rules violation)?
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    You know, I honestly don't know what I was thinking earlier. The closest I can figure is that I was thinking buy-off, but just saying LA, but that doesn't quite fit either, since the reduced point buy isn't a buy off.

    I'm going to scratch what I said before.
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    This is brilliant.
    Regarding my Non-Epic Hidecarved Dragon:
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    Nicely done. Probably too cheesy for many tables, but I'd be inclined to allow it at mine, just for chutzpah.

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    What happens with RHD?
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    What happens with RHD?
    I'm almost positive those count against ECL.
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    Regarding my Necrotic Apprentice trick:
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    This is brilliant.
    Regarding my Non-Epic Hidecarved Dragon:
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    Nicely done. Probably too cheesy for many tables, but I'd be inclined to allow it at mine, just for chutzpah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShneekeyTheLost View Post
    Questions for judges:

    How do you feel about the following options:

    * Variant Class Features from UA/SRD
    *ACF's from other splatbooks
    * Using races from various MM or other splatbook sources, possibly obscure ones, even if they might be +0 LA, but have racial abilities which mesh with the conceptual design of the character
    * Alignment changes mid-character build, to be able to take classes that prohibit Lawful alignments (i.e. 'I started out x alignment, then I had a Life Changing Event and moved to Y alignment' kind of thing)
    * How strict are you on adhering to alignment restrictions on classes
    * How strict are you on multiclassing penalties (and on the monk's specific restriction on not going back to monk once you leave it)
    * How bad do you hit someone in Elegance or Use of Ingredient for one-level dips?
    * TWF and Monk Unarmed Attack. Do they work together? Would you hit someone in Elegance for it? Would it be a minor hit (shady rules interpretation) or a major one (blatant rules violation)?
    I'm not a judge and can't really comment on the rest, but this Wizards article says that you can use Monk unarmed strikes for TWF, but you can't use TWF and Flurry together. It's a pretty useful article for monks, I read through it for an idea for Incandescent Champion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShneekeyTheLost View Post
    On the topic of LA, I believe it was directly answered:



    It's an interesting game, one which a monk might do well in. I've got some ideas, anyways.

    Too bad Wholeness of Body is 7th level...

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    How do you feel about the following options:

    * Variant Class Features from UA/SRD
    *ACF's from other splatbooks
    * Using races from various MM or other splatbook sources, possibly obscure ones, even if they might be +0 LA, but have racial abilities which mesh with the conceptual design of the character
    * Alignment changes mid-character build, to be able to take classes that prohibit Lawful alignments (i.e. 'I started out x alignment, then I had a Life Changing Event and moved to Y alignment' kind of thing)
    * How strict are you on adhering to alignment restrictions on classes
    * How strict are you on multiclassing penalties (and on the monk's specific restriction on not going back to monk once you leave it)
    * How bad do you hit someone in Elegance or Use of Ingredient for one-level dips?
    * TWF and Monk Unarmed Attack. Do they work together? Would you hit someone in Elegance for it? Would it be a minor hit (shady rules interpretation) or a major one (blatant rules violation)?
    Variant Classes, VCF's, and ACF's are fair game as far as I'm concerned. +0LA races are always welcome. If an alignment change can be justified in the backstory, and doesn't result in clashes (Monk going to Barbarian), I'll allow a drift. Pendulum swings are more inelegant. A build that would have multiclassing penalties would take a hit in elegance. Going back to Monk without a specific exception (Drunken Master comes to mind, but I can't recall for sure.) would be illegal. A one level dip can be as elegant as you make it. I'd give a small hit to UoSI, but that could be earned back if the dip enhanced the secret ingredient sufficiently. There was a Druid dip in the Divine Mind competition that I think exemplified this.

    My view is that you may TWF and Flurry with unarmed strikes. I know it isn't perfectly RAW, but I think the RAW is flawed there. Being able to treat your UAS as not off-hand was supposed to be a buff not a penalty.
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    Just got back from vacation, so I won't have time to submit a proper build by Tuesday. Which can mean only one thing--I'll judge.
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    This being my first foray into E6, how many "extra" feats do we get beyond the typical 1st, 3rd & 6th level ones?

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    Well, you get an unlimited amount (1 for every 5000xp you gain after 6th), but we're only looking for the 5 and 10 marks.
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    What if your build matures before getting any of those 'bonus' feats?
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    Then show that you can stay strong by adding feats.
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    Regarding my Non-Epic Hidecarved Dragon:
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    Build submitted. Good luck all.
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    I've got a solid idea. I just need to bring it home. I hope fervently to get it in under the deadline.

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