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    Default [3.5 Base Class] Knight of Time [PEACH]

    Knight of Time


    TG: the thing with time travel is

    TG: you cant overthink it

    TG: just roll with it and see what happens

    TG: and above all try not to do anything stupid

    GAME RULE INFORMATION
    Knights of Time have the following game statistics.
    Abilities: Knights of Time rely on intuition and quick thinking - as they say, you can't overthink it - and thus depend on their Wisdom for some of their abilities. When they wade into the fray, they also depend on their Strength and their Constitution.
    Alignment: Any.
    Hit Die: d10
    Starting Age: As Barbarian.
    Starting Gold: As Fighter.

    Class Skills
    The Knight of Time's class skills are Balance, Climb, Concentration, Craft, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Jump, Knowledge (history), Knowledge (local), Listen, Perform (Sick Burns), Perform (Slam Poetry), Sense Motive, Spot, Swim, Tumble.

    Skill Points at First Level: (4 + Int modifier) x 4
    Skill Points at Each Additional Level: 4 + Int modifier

    Knight of Time
    {table=head]Level|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Special

    1st|
    +1
    |
    +2
    |
    +0
    |
    +0
    |Time Shenanigans

    2nd|
    +2
    |
    +3
    |
    +0
    |
    +0
    |Insightful Reflexes

    3rd|
    +3
    |
    +3
    |
    +1
    |
    +1
    |Limited Time Travel

    4th|
    +4
    |
    +4
    |
    +1
    |
    +1
    |Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (Weapon)

    5th|
    +5
    |
    +4
    |
    +1
    |
    +1
    |Doomed Duplicate

    6th|
    +6/+1
    |
    +5
    |
    +2
    |
    +2
    |Weird Time Shenanigans

    7th|
    +7/+2
    |
    +5
    |
    +2
    |
    +2
    |Distorted Time

    8th|
    +8/+3
    |
    +6
    |
    +2
    |
    +2
    |Haste

    9th|
    +9/+4
    |
    +6
    |
    +3
    |
    +3
    |Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (Future Contact)

    10th|
    +10/+5
    |
    +7
    |
    +3
    |
    +3
    |Stable Time Loop I

    11th|
    +11/+6/+1
    |
    +7
    |
    +3
    |
    +3
    |Absurd Time Shenanigans

    12th|
    +12/+7/+2
    |
    +8
    |
    +4
    |
    +4
    |Expedience

    13th|
    +13/+8/+3
    |
    +8
    |
    +4
    |
    +4
    |Futurelink, Other

    14th|
    +14/+9/+4
    |
    +9
    |
    +4
    |
    +4
    |Expanded Time Travel

    15th|
    +15/+10/+5
    |
    +9
    |
    +5
    |
    +5
    |No Time to Dawdle

    16th|
    +16/+11/+6/+1
    |
    +10
    |
    +5
    |
    +5
    |Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (Regress), Celerity

    17th|
    +17/+12/+7/+2
    |
    +10
    |
    +5
    |
    +5
    |Futurelink, Self

    18th|
    +18/+13/+8/+3
    |
    +11
    |
    +6
    |
    +6
    |Swiftness

    19th|
    +19/+14/+9/+4
    |
    +11
    |
    +6
    |
    +6
    |Greater Time Travel

    20th|
    +20/+15/+10/+5
    |
    +12
    |
    +6
    |
    +6
    |Stable Time Loop II, Time Stop[/table]

    Class Features
    All of the following are class features of the Knight of Time.

    Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: Knights of Time are proficient with all Simple and Martial weapons, and Light armor.

    Time Shenanigans (Ex): A Knight of Time is immediately able to alter time in slight ways. The Knight of Time may, a number of times per encounter equal to 1/2 his Knight of Time levels plus his Wisdom modifier, reroll an attack, damage or save roll once. He must take the second roll, even if it is worse. Engaging in Time Shenanigans, or using abilities that rely on Time Shenanigans (such as Haste, Expedience and Celerity) is an Immediate action.

    Insightful Reflexes (Ex): A Knight of Time's influence on a timeline extends both forewards and backwards, and provides him with a strange sense of Déjà vu. At 2nd level, the Knight of Time adds his Wisdom modifier (up to his Knight of Time levels) to his Reflex saves as an Insight bonus.

    Limited Time Travel (Su): Beginning at 3rd level, a Knight of Time can hop forward through time. Once per encounter, he can hop forward in time up to 1 round for every 3 Knight of Time levels he has. He reappears in exactly the same orientation and condition as before. From his point of view, no time has passed at all. Using this ability is a Standard Action.

    Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (Ex): Though not Oracles themselves, Knights of Time have a knack for fulfilling prophecies that are guaranteed to happen anyway. They complete these prophecies in one of three ways:

    Weapon: At 4th level, the Knight of Time arms himself with a weapon he can cause to travel through time, becoming instances of another weapon used in either an alternate reality or the future. Though it happens only gradually, eventually he is able to control its properties to great extent. At 4th level, any weapon in the hands of a Knight of Time is immediately a +1 weapon. It loses this property if it leaves the Knight's hands. In addition, the powers granted to the weapon grow with time:

    {table=head]Knight of Time Level|Modifier|Bonus*
    4th|+1|-
    6th|+1|+1
    8th|+2|+1
    10th|+2|+2
    12th|+3|+2
    14th|+3|+3
    16th|+4|+3
    18th|+4|+4
    20th|+5|+5[/table]

    At any time, as a move action, the Knight of Time can change these values for his weapon(s) up to the maximum bonus. He can also transfer excess Modifier or Bonus between the two - for example, a Level 8 Knight of Time can make his weapon a +1 weapon with two +1 bonuses, or a +3 weapon with no bonuses, or a +1 weapon with a +2 bonus. Just like Magic weapons, it must always have at least a +1 modifier. This lasts until he spends another move action to change his weapon. Self-fulfilling Prophecy (Weapon) only works on weapons of exceptional make - only Masterwork weapons work with this ability.

    He may also meditate for 1 hour to make a specific magical weapon his Self-fulfilling weapon. This allows him to change the bonuses on the specific magic weapon as move actions, to change Modifier and Bonuses, etc. However, he cannot exceed the total bonus the weapon had before his meditation - for exampe, if he comes into possession of a +3 Longsword at level 7, he can change the bonuses and grant it modifiers as if he were level 8. Once he reaches level 10, however, he may treat the weapon as if it had the bonuses on the table above, or change them around. Once a weapon he has meditated with leaves his hand for 1 hour per Knight of Time level, the weapon ceases being his Self-fulfilling weapon. If another creature or character handles his Self-fulfilling weapon, it ceases being such a weapon and reverts to the state it was in before the Knight performed his meditation.

    By expending a use of Time Shenanigans, he may also, as a move action, revert the weapon to a previous state (such as "before it was sundered"). This ability only works on magical weapons the Knight of Time has made his Self-fulfilling weapon by way of meditation.

    Future Contact: At 9th level, the Knight of Time can sift through the sands of time to a particular spot in the future. He is able to ask very vague questions of future incarnations of himself, though these incarnations resent being asked questions from their past selves as generally they recall asking their future selves the very question they are being asked. The future self always responds in a language the Knight of Time understands, but gives only a very brief response ("Yes", "No", "Maybe", "Irrelevent" etc.). The Knight of Time must spend 1 hour searching through time to find the right timeline to answer his question, and can only do so once per day.

    Regress: At 16th level, the Knight of Time can identify small clues in his view of time that lets him know he may be heading toward a doomed timeline. A Knight of Time may, as a standard action, regress time 1 round into the past. In effect, you “replay” the previous round of activity. This ability regresses time to the point along the time stream just prior to your previous turn, undoing the effects of everyone else’s actions on the timeline. Once you have used Regress, only you retain knowledge of what happened during the round that is being replayed; however, you can communicate that knowledge verbally to your companions, if desired. During the round that you live through a second time, you can act on knowledge you previously gained by already living through the immediate future.

    Once he has used this ability, a Knight of Time must wait 5 rounds before he can use it again.

    Doomed Duplicate (Ex): Time is split into several timelines. There are many, many doomed timelines, and a single alpha timeline. The Knight of Time can attempt to bring into the alpha timeline a doomed duplicate of himself. Beginning at 5th level, the Knight of Time may, once per encounter for every 5 levels he has, summon a duplicate of himself. This requires a Swift action to activate and does not provoke attacks of opportunity. The doomed duplicate appears in any square the Knight of Time has line of sight to. At higher levels, the Knight of Time can summon additional duplicates - at 10th level, he can summon two; at 15th, he can summon three; and at 20th, he can summon 4. Doomed duplicates act on the initiative of the Knight of Time that summoned them.

    The doomed duplicate is an exact copy of the Knight of Time at the time of summoning and may use all abilities, items, etc. that the Knight of Time had, except items with charges and those that are consumed. It has no knowledge the Knight himself does not have. Any items that leave the doomed duplicate's possession, however, vanish - they are doomed to disappear, and preservation would cause a paradox, something Time will not stand for. The doomed duplicate exists for at least 1 round; after that round ends, the Knight of Time must make a Wisdom check to continue keeping his duplicates around. The DC for this check is equal to 10 + the number of Duplicates summoned + the number of rounds they have existed in -1. He must make a Wisdom check for each duplicate - failure to make this check causes that single duplicate to vanish from his timeline.

    Although doomed duplicates understand they are doomed, they are not resigned to that fate. If the Knight of Time attempts to have a doomed duplicate do something he himself would not do, he must make a Diplomacy check against the duplicate; the duplicate makes its own Sense Motive check. If the duplicate fails its Sense Motive, it agrees to complete the action. This check takes a standard action from the Knight and all doomed duplicates involved to complete. A doomed duplicate cannot use any of its abilities that involve time travel in their own timeline (Limited Time Travel, Doomed Duplicate, Future Contact, Regress, Stable Time Loop, Expanded Time Travel, Futurelink (Self), Greater Time Travel and Time Stop) as their futures and pasts no longer exist on the alpha timeline. If the Knight of Time has any spellcasting abilities, his duplicates are able to use these abilities, but the Knight's level must be at least 5 higher than the spell level to cast the spell (his duplicates can't begin casting spells above cantrips/orisons until he is level 6; similarly, they cannot cast 9th level spells he has until he is level 14). This applies to Psionic Powers and Tome of Battle Maneuvers as well, with Spell Level replaced with Power Level or Maneuver Level, as necessary. Additionally, duplicates cannot make use of abilities granted by a Vestige greater than (Knight Level - 5).

    The Knight of Time can only summon one group of doomed duplicates at a time. If this ability is used again while a group of duplicates already exist, the preexisting duplicates vanish to their own timelines, and new ones replace them. If the Knight of Time engages in either Limited Time Travel or uses the Regress function of his self-fulfilling prophecies, all of his Doomed Duplicates vanish instantly.

    Weird Time Shenanigans (Ex): Beginning at 6th level, the Knight of Time is capable of even more shenaniganry - he may reroll any ability check or skill check once in addition to the other rolls he is capable of rerolling with Time Shenanigans. He still must keep the second roll, even if it is worse.

    Distorted Time (Ex): Beginning at 7th level, the Knight of Time can warp occurrences around him just by engaging in time travel. Whenever the Knight of Time engages in Time Shenanigans, uses an ability that expends uses of Time Shenanigans, changes his weapon via Self-Fulfilling Prophecy or uses the Regress ability of Self-Fulfilling Prophecy, he gains an Insight bonus to AC equal to his Wisdom modifier for 1 round for every 4 class levels he has.

    Haste (Su): Beginning at 8th level, the Knight of Time can combine the effort used to engage in Time Shenanigans to temporarily accelerate himself through time. By expending a use of Time Shenanigans, the Knight of Time can grant himself an additional move action. For the round in which the Knight of Time uses this ability, he is also considered to be under the effects of a Haste spell. The Knight of Time can only use this ability once per round.

    Stable Time Loop (Su): Beginning at 10th level, the Knight of Time knows enough about Time Travel to begin creating stable time loops. A stable time loop enables the Knight of Time to have a functioning, non-doomed copy of himself, complete with items and abilities at the time of creation. Creating a stable time loop takes time: 1 minute per Knight of Time level (the more invested a Knight is in time travel, the more difficult it is to accurately create a loop with him in it). Upon creating a stable time loop, and at the beginning of each day, both he and the copy must make a DC 15 Wisdom check - if either fails, the copy disappears. A Knight of Time cannot attempt to create a stable time loop while threatened and cannot rush, nor Take 10 or 20 on the attempt. If the Knight is unsuccessful at establishing a stable time loop, a corpse of himself appears from a doomed timeline.

    As with doomed duplicates, copies created with Stable Time Loop cannot relinquish their equipment - items that leave their possession instantly vanish. Similarly, they cannot engage in time travel (Limited Time Travel, Doomed Duplicate, Future Contact, Regress, Stable Time Loop, Expanded Time Travel, Futurelink (Self), Greater Time Travel and Time Stop) because its future is the same as the Knight's. This also means the Knight cannot engage in Time Travel - if he does, his stable time loops end and his copies disappear, with one exception - the Knight's copies remain for the duration of his Time Stop ability. Once over, they disappear. However, whenever the Knight uses Time Shenanigans, Haste, Expedience, or Celerity, or gains the benefit of Distorted Time, his copies also gains these benefits for the same duration. As with doomed duplicates, copies created with Stable Time Loop act on the Knight's initiative.

    Upon reaching 20th level, the Knight of Time is able to create two copies of himself via Stable Time Loop, but he and both copies must make an additional Wisdom check at DC 20 during creation of the Stable Time Loop and at each day a copy exists, but failure for one of the copies only causes that copy to not appear.

    Regardless of his level, a Knight of Time can only create up to one stable time loop at a time. In order to create another, he must dismiss (by engaging in time travel) his previous copies. Copies do not gain XP, nor do they gain a share of treasure. They remain as copies of the Knight of Time at the time of his use of the Stable Time Loop ability. A copy of the Knight of Time that dies instantly vanishes from the timeline. It cannot be resurrected or brought back in any way, even with the power of Wish, Miracle or Reality Revision.

    Copies cannot spend XP, nor can they be the subject of spells or abilities that change their shape (as polymorph, alter self, etc.) that were not active on the Knight of Time at the time of creating a stable time loop. A copy created with Stable Time Loop can use charged items that were in the possession of the Knight of Time, but each charge they use from their item also removes a charge from the Knight's. Additionally, a copy created with Stable Time Loop can cast spells, manifest powers, initiate maneuvers and use Vestige abilities the Knight had at the time of creation.

    When a copy casts a spell, manifests a power, initiates a maneuver or uses a Vestige-granted ability, it uses up a spell slot of your own, your own power points, a readied maneuver, or causes the cooldown on your Vestige-granted ability to activate (for those abilities whose cooldown begins after they wear off, the ability is off-limits for you until your copy's ability wears off) - a copy doesn't actually have spell slots, power points, maneuvers or vestiges of its own. For example, if you cast a Fireball spell and your copy casts an Lesser Orb of Fire spell, you lose both a 3rd level Spell slot (from the Fireball) and a 1st level Spell slot (from the Lesser Orb of Fire).

    Absurd Time Shenanigans (Ex): Beginning at 11th level, the Knight of Time is capable of being picky with time. Any time he engages in Time Shenanigans, he may choose to use the first roll instead of the second. He also may engage in Time Shenanigans one more time per encounter.

    Expedience (Su): Beginning at 12th level, the Knight of Time can further merge more effort used to engage in Time Shenanigans to accelerate himself even faster through time. By expending 2 uses of Time Shenanigans, the Knight of Time can grant himself an additional standard action. For the round in which the Knight of Time uses this ability, he is also considered to be under the effects of a Haste spell. The Knight of Time can only use this ability once per round.

    Futurelink, Other (Su): Beginning at 13th level, the Knight of Time can establish a quick link to an ally's timeline and identify impending danger or harm to that individual. He cannot manifest such a link on himself, however. The Knight must communicate what he learns to his ally for the warning to be useful, and the ally can be caught unprepared in the absence of such a warning. Shouting a warning, yanking a person back, and even telepathically communicating can all be accomplished before some danger befalls the subject, provided the Knight acts on the warning without delay. The Knight requires a standard action to create a Futurelink, which lasts for 10 minutes per Knight level.

    Expanded Time Travel (Su): Beginning at 14th level, the Knight of Time can travel forwards and then backwards through time in the blink of an eye, appearing to teleport. He may enter the time stream as a standard action and reappear in the same timeline up to 600 feet away from his original location. The Knight need only visualize and then visit the location by wading through time. To the Knight, time does not appear to pass at all - for everyone else, the Knight appears to teleport in a bright flash of silver.

    No Time to Dawdle (Ex): Beginning at 15th level, the Knight of Time speeds up the rate at which he can engage in Time Shenanigans, for while he is a traveler of time, he is not in fact made of time. Engaging in Time Shenanigans for a Knight of at least 15th level is a free action instead of a swift action, and said shenanigans can be engaged in once per round for every 6 levels the Knight has (twice per round at 15th level, when gaining this ability, and three times per round at level 18). This ability does not allow the Knight to use abilities that expend Time Shenanigans uses as free actions, or multiple times per round.

    Celerity (Su): Beginning at 16th level, the Knight of Time can merge immense amounts of effort used to engage in Time Shenanigans to massively accelerate himself through time. By expending 4 uses of Time Shenanigans, the Knight of Time can grant himself an additional full round action. For the round in which the Knight of Time uses this ability, he is also considered to be under the effects of a Haste spell. The Knight of Time can only activate this ability once per round. After his round is over, the Knight of Time is unable to take any actions for 1 round due to the immense amount of control needed to accelerate so quickly.

    Futurelink, Self (Su): Beginning at 17th level, the Knight of Time figures out a way to establish his Futurelink ability on himself. Doing so costs one use of Time Shenanigans, but also grants him additional benefits - he is never surprised or flat-footed, and can always act on a Surprise round. On the first round of combat, the Knight gets a surprise round regardless of whether he has been noticed. A creature that notices the Knight is still treated as flat-footed during this round. In addition, the improved Futurelink gives him a general idea of what action he might take to best protect himself and gives him a +2 bonus to AC and Reflex saves. This bonus is lost whenever the Knight would lose a Dexterity bonus to AC.

    Swiftness (Ex): Beginning at 18th level, the Knight of Time figures out a way to create a small window of extra time for him to operate in. He gains the ability to use up to 2 swift actions and/or immediate actions per round.

    Greater Time Travel (Su): Beginning at 19th level, the Knight of Time can travel through leagues of time as if they were nothing. By expending 5 uses of Time Shenanigans as a full-round action, he can travel to and look through events that happened in the past at his current location. The level of detail he sees and hears by means of this ability depends on the span of time he wishes to observe. He cannot interact with these events, however. Upon using this ability, he chooses a specific span of time to view from the table below. This ability grants him view of 20 of the units of time he views (so 20 days, 20 weeks, etc.), unless he selects Centuries in which he views 5 centuries.

    {table=head]Span|Amount of Information
    Days|Detailed knowledge of people, conversations, and events that transpired
    Weeks|Exact wording and detail are lost, but highlights/participants and events are known
    Years|General idea of noteworthy events (deaths, battles, scenes of great emotion, important discoveries, significant happenings)
    Centuries|Only the most remarkable of events (coronations, deaths of important personages, major battles, truly historic happenings)[/table]

    He may instead use this ability to travel forward and back in time in one action, as with Expanded Time Travel. This ability functions as a Greater Teleport spell (for the purposes of this ability, the Knight's Caster Level is considered to be 20).

    Time Stop (Su): The Knight of Time, upon becoming a master of his title, learns to manipulate time in the greatest of ways - to stop its progression for a short amount of time. This ability functions as the Time Stop spell, except the Knight's copies created via Stable Time Loop are also able to act, on his initiative. On the final round of the Knight's Time Stop ability, he and his copies are able to make melee attacks against creatures (but not objects). Stopping Time requires the Knight to expend 6 uses of Time Shenanigans.

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    Sweet Shenanigans
    Prerequisites: Time Shenanigans
    Benefit: You gain 1 extra use of Time Shenanigans per encounter.
    Normal: You have 1/2 Knight Level + Wisdom Modifier uses of Time Shenanigans per encounter.

    Hella Shenanigans
    Prerequisites: Weird Time Shenanigans, Sweet Shenanigans
    Benefit: You gain 2 extra uses of Time Shenanigans per encounter.
    Normal: You have 1/2 Knight Level + Wisdom Modifier uses of time Shenanigans per encounter.

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    Hopefully everything's cross-referenced right. Most of the abilities that deal with manipulating time are supposed to be off-limits to Doomed Duplicates and Stable Time Loop Copies (mostly to cut down on headache, but also make sure crazy infinite loops don't occur).
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    First off, I love it. Second off, I see some issues.

    1) My friend is forcing me on pain of death to say that this class is missing the skill Perform (Sick Fires).

    2) I would remove the XP penalty from the Regress ability of the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy. If it can only be used once per encounter, that's a really stiff penalty for only a single rounds worth of travel.

    3) Expanded Time Travel seems a bit... extreme. A standard action to teleport 600 feet, with no limit? Especially when spending a few time shenanigans can land you an extra standard action? I dunno, just seems a bit, odd.

    I would say, in the very least, put the stipulation that the Knight of Time would need to be able to reach said destination anyway, under his own power, given enough time. I mean, he's traveling through time, not space, so
    he'd need to get there first.

    Everything else looks pretty solid. The Stable Time Loops ability is a little weird, but I still like it.

    And, to be honest, this class could be scary if multiclassed into the Swiftblade. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domriso View Post
    First off, I love it. Second off, I see some issues.

    1) My friend is forcing me on pain of death to say that this class is missing the skill Perform (Sick Fires).
    Perhaps I'll add that and Perform (Slam Poetry)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Domriso View Post
    2) I would remove the XP penalty from the Regress ability of the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy. If it can only be used once per encounter, that's a really stiff penalty for only a single rounds worth of travel.
    It's based on the psionic power, Time Regression, which requires even more XP - 1000! Though I could make it free, as it seems much more open to use if you can do so without slowing down level gain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Domriso View Post
    3) Expanded Time Travel seems a bit... extreme. A standard action to teleport 600 feet, with no limit? Especially when spending a few time shenanigans can land you an extra standard action? I dunno, just seems a bit, odd.

    I would say, in the very least, put the stipulation that the Knight of Time would need to be able to reach said destination anyway, under his own power, given enough time. I mean, he's traveling through time, not space, so
    he'd need to get there first.
    It's actually based on Dimension Door, without the restriction of not being able to take actions after using it. This is usable about 4 levels after Dimension Door is, so I figured there ought to be a few perks to it over the other.

    As far as actually being able to get to the location, with a little bit of shenanigans you can probably get anywhere, especially if time is your medium.

    Quote Originally Posted by Domriso View Post
    Everything else looks pretty solid. The Stable Time Loops ability is a little weird, but I still like it.

    And, to be honest, this class could be scary if multiclassed into the Swiftblade. Just saying.
    Thanks! I wanted to make sure Stable Time Loops were capable of few shenanigans, even in light of how useful copying yourself would be. I know the character this is based off of would have 12-13 stable time loops going at once, but I figured that was a little insane, given that they could all do time shenanigans themselves and do things well beyond my envisioned "balance" level.
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    I've seen a couple of prestige classes that had a similar ability as Regress, but didn't have the XP penalty, so maybe I'm just a bit biased in that way. They might have been only a certain number of times per day, though.
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    This class is pretty neat. Its not often I see a time themed class that doesn't break the game. But I would agree with domriso on removing the xp penalty of regress. You could even just give it some sort of recharge time, instead of 1 use per an encounter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eftexar View Post
    This class is pretty neat. Its not often I see a time themed class that doesn't break the game. But I would agree with domriso on removing the xp penalty of regress. You could even just give it some sort of recharge time, instead of 1 use per an encounter.
    Think I'll go with the XP-less recharge version, actually. I'm thinking 5 round recharge (like Vestige abilities from ToM), so that it can be used multiple times per encounter?
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    That sounds about right. It just needs to be large enough to prevent abuse.

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    Another possibility would be to allow even more than a single round reversal, but have it possess a much higher recharge time. I know in some situations it could be a pain, but the roleplaying possibilities of a character who suddenly stops and goes, "Guys, three of us die in the next two minutes. We need chickens-fast."

    ...It's just too great.
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    If a KoT has spellcasting/manifesting abilities/martial manoeuvres/spell-likes/etc., how are they dealt with for duplicates?

    - Do all copies have access to all spells, etc. the KoT had prior to summoning them?
    - Do all copies share the KoT's spells, etc., so one suplicate using one takes it from the KoT's uses of it for the day/encounter/etc.?
    - Can copies just not use such abilities?

    Also, what action is Limited Time travel?
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    The name intrigued me, but when I saw the pic I knew this had to be awesome. I actually jsut started reading homestuck a few days ago. Wierd how as soon as you become aware of something it pops up everywhere.
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    If a KoT has spellcasting/manifesting abilities/martial manoeuvres/spell-likes/etc., how are they dealt with for duplicates?

    - Do all copies have access to all spells, etc. the KoT had prior to summoning them?
    - Do all copies share the KoT's spells, etc., so one suplicate using one takes it from the KoT's uses of it for the day/encounter/etc.?
    - Can copies just not use such abilities?

    Also, what action is Limited Time travel?
    They have access to all abilities - which now reminds me I need to put a limit of "one use of the ability at a time" so you don't have 80,000 duplicates running around casting spells for you, if you happen to be a KoT 5/Ur-Priest 10 or some other crazy PrC that grants level 9 spells over 10 levels.

    Or, they could just not cast spells above a certain KoT level. Say, they can only cast spells up to spell level (KoT levels - 5) or something. It'd take 14 levels of KoT to gain the ability for duplicates to cast 9th level spells, which would take you way into Epic levels to get that.

    Also oops - Limited Time Travel should be a standard. I'll fix that right away!

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    Updated a few things: Time Shenanigans is now a per-encounter basis, with the number of uses equal to 1/2 the Knight's level plus his Wisdom mod. Also, two new feats - Sweet Shenanigans and Hella Shenanigans - to gain more Time Shenanigans uses per encounter!

    Also, Doomed Duplicates disappear if Regress or Limited Time Travel is used, since those 2 abilities deal specifically with the Knight travelling through time and not coming back to his original location in time.
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    This is amazing and you are amazing for making it.

    That is all.

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    Muchos gracias for encounter-based Time Shenanigans.

    Does the doomed duplicate spell-clause apply to psionic powers & maneuvers? How about Binder abilities with a recharge time? I know I'm being picky but I just got approval to use this so these questions are actually relevant to me in the immediate future.

    Also should the spell-clause apply to Stable Time Loop duplicates?
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    Thanks!

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    Muchos gracias for encounter-based Time Shenanigans.

    Does the doomed duplicate spell-clause apply to psionic powers & maneuvers? How about Binder abilities with a recharge time? I know I'm being picky but I just got approval to use this so these questions are actually relevant to me in the immediate future.

    Also should the spell-clause apply to Stable Time Loop duplicates?
    Thanks for bringing up powers/maneuvers/vestiges - I hadn't thought of them. I'll include a clause about that; essentially, if it's KoT Level - 5 or lower, it can be used (so level 13 Knight lets you use 8th level vestige powers on duplicates, etc).

    I think the way I'll work Stable Time Loop duplicates is that they *can* cast without the Doomed Duplicate limit, *but* they take from your list, so both of you can't initiate Time Stands Still at once, or if you and your duplicate both cast Fireball, it uses up 2 of your spells/day, or if you use Reality Revision and your STL duplicate uses Psionic Dominate, it'd cost you 24 PP.
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    Thanks for bringing up powers/maneuvers/vestiges - I hadn't thought of them. I'll include a clause about that; essentially, if it's KoT Level - 5 or lower, it can be used (so level 13 Knight lets you use 8th level vestige powers on duplicates, etc).

    I think the way I'll work Stable Time Loop duplicates is that they *can* cast without the Doomed Duplicate limit, *but* they take from your list, so both of you can't initiate Time Stands Still at once, or if you and your duplicate both cast Fireball, it uses up 2 of your spells/day, or if you use Reality Revision and your STL duplicate uses Psionic Dominate, it'd cost you 24 PP.
    So DD's get their own list of stuff, but are limited to your KoT level-5 level abilities. And STL's just share your own resources. Thanks for clarifying.
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    So DD's get their own list of stuff, but are limited to your KoT level-5 level abilities. And STL's just share your own resources. Thanks for clarifying.
    No problem - with the durations of each, I figured sharing your resources was a slightly more balanced way for STL's to function.
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    The chart for the self-fulfilling weapon is a little confusing. If the modifier and bonus are interchangeable, there's really no reason to keep them separate. Just describe the weapon as gaining a single bonus up to a maximum of +10, with the usual * noting that you can't have a +6 or greater weapon enhancement bonus pre-epic.

    I wouldn't mind seeing one or two special weapon enhancements that time-shift an opponent in unpleasant ways. It would be a nice flavor/style thing for the class.

    Doomed Duplicates should be forbidden from casting spells with an XP cost or expensive material component, unless the cost is deducted from the original. I foresee many time knights pumping Diplomacy and dumping Sense Motive in order to be able to sucker their doomed duplicates into become fall guys for all manner of wild shenanigans. I'm unsure if allowing doomed duplicates to use Time Shenanigans will prove troublesome -- since the duplicates are likely to last only a few rounds, the player is incented to have them burn through their per-encounter rerolls just as fast as humanly possible. Also, 5th is a fairly low level to have copies of yourself running around -- I'm not sure if that's really a problem on a primarily martial platform though. I do have thoughts about knight 15/crusader 1 with White Raven Tactics, whereby with good planning and a little luck on maneuver draws, a knight could gain 26 turns in one round (12 of his own and 14 by his duplicates):

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    DD1: delay -1 and use WRT on KoT
    KoT: 5/5 readied, use WRT on DD1
    DD1: takes turn
    DD2: delay -2 and use WRT on KoT
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    DD1: maneuvers refresh, use WRT on KoT
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    I don't want to say I love this, 8ut...

    <33333333

    Totally what I was looking for!

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    you should clarify how doomed duplicates interact with abilites that cause EXP loss. Specificly they shoud be unable to spend exp diliberatly in any way.

    I could also see a evil time knight doing bad things with the sacrifice rules in BOVD. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fouredged Sword View Post
    you should clarify how doomed duplicates interact with abilites that cause EXP loss. Specificly they shoud be unable to spend exp diliberatly in any way.

    I could also see a evil time knight doing bad things with the sacrifice rules in BOVD. Just a thought.
    He already calls out copies as unable to spend XP.
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    Well, I've only read some of the class, but shouldn't the abilities be based off Charisma, not Wisdom? The class is based off of the iconic and ironic coolkid, whose Charisma is undoubtedly did an acrobatic ****in pirouette off the handle to get so high.
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    I'm all like :awesomeface:

    Now I'm thinking of related stuff like: Caledscratch, Timestables, The Felt and Prototyping (maybe as a feat?)


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    Good Lord, is this 'Timelord - The Character Class'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fouredged Sword View Post
    you should clarify how doomed duplicates interact with abilites that cause EXP loss. Specificly they shoud be unable to spend exp diliberatly in any way.

    I could also see a evil time knight doing bad things with the sacrifice rules in BOVD. Just a thought.
    They can't expend XP in any way.

    Also, recall that your copies are pretty much copies of you. They're not suicidal and won't appreciate being sacrificed/won't consent to it. Plus, I don't own BoVD, so I don't really know the sacrifice rules at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgondantess View Post
    Well, I've only read some of the class, but shouldn't the abilities be based off Charisma, not Wisdom? The class is based off of the iconic and ironic coolkid, whose Charisma is undoubtedly did an acrobatic ****in pirouette off the handle to get so high.
    This was actually a sticking point for me when I was writing it up. Charisma explains the sick burns he is able to produce, but actual time travel relied on his (dave's) intuition, which to me is better explained through Wisdom. Unless he learned time travel by rapping with it

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    Good Lord, is this 'Timelord - The Character Class'?
    Hehehe Close, I think.
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    THIS IS AMAZING.

    looks kinda broken to me but I dunno...

    IT IS STILL AMAZING.

    Maybe put more limits on the amount of times you can use regress? I, for one, would not like to play several rounds twice just because my sword got nicked.
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    THIS IS AMAZING.

    looks kinda broken to me but I dunno...

    IT IS STILL AMAZING.

    Maybe put more limits on the amount of times you can use regress? I, for one, would not like to play several rounds twice just because my sword got nicked.
    Thanks!

    The problem with saying it's "broken" is that it's largely unhelpful without pointing out something that is specifically broken, or something that can be done with it that is broken. I tried to exclude as many loops and exploits as possible, such as by requiring the character to have many levels in the class to unlock its more powerful features (Doomed Duplicates only start piling up once you're a higher level in the class, for example).

    Regarding regress - it only regresses one round, and can only be used once every 5 rounds. Plus, you can expend a move action to revert your weapon using Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (weapon) to an earlier state (the example given is "before my weapon was sundered") without causing any round regression.
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    Hmm, yes. thing is, I haven't memorized the rules or had years of playing experience, I don't actually know what is truly borked aside form the obvious, like the "infinite gate" technique.

    I just kinda guessed because full BAB+ weapons and a fecktonne of class features usually don't mix unless there is some sort of conduct limit (i.e paladin/monk), which this class doesn't not have.

    Then again, he doesn't get any spells... and really **** spells, you have time travel. Also seems to have negligible mad issues, which is kinda balancing.

    Just one question: how does Stable Time Loop operate any differently to Doomed Duplicate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doorhandle View Post
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    I just kinda guessed because full BAB+ weapons and a fecktonne of class features usually don't mix unless there is some sort of conduct limit (i.e paladin/monk), which this class doesn't not have.

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    This is a common misconception, mostly because the designers themselves saw it that way. They grossly over-valued BAB; consider that at Lvl 1 a Wizard with Colour Spray can drop multiple targets in one go whereas a Fighter can't despite having BAB+1. And at higher levels I doubt I need to explain how it gets worse. This isn't broken because of that.


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    Hmm, yes. thing is, I haven't memorized the rules or had years of playing experience, I don't actually know what is truly borked aside form the obvious, like the "infinite gate" technique.

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    Infinite Gate requires the thing you're Gating to have abusable abilities. This doesn't, just more versions of itself, and more meatshields isn't game-ending.
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    Just one question: how does Stable Time Loop operate any differently to Doomed Duplicate?
    Stable Time Loop copies can more easily make use of your various abilities from other classes, persist through and can act during your Time Stop, and gain the benefit of your Haste/Celerity/etc when you use it, and can use them themselves. Doomed Duplicates can only make use of abilities (vestiges/maneuvers/powers/spells) if your Knight of Time level is high enough (6+the level of the ability). Stable Time Loop copies also persist longer than Duplicates - while duplicates vanish after a matter of rounds, STL copies stay for days, and the DC to keep them around doesn't increase except when you create two of them.
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