Diplomacy: Float Like A Butterfly, Stab Like A Well-Placed Dagger

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-14, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)

Fall 1906!

Which now looks like this ...

Two retreats needed, ASAP!
English A Bel may retreat to Ruh, Hol, or disband.
Italian F Ion may retreat to Tun, Nap, Adr, Eas, or disband.

Assuming both retreats are taken, the Winter looks thusly:

England disband 1.
France build 1.
Russia build 2.
Italy and Turkey, just kinda hang out.

Can we have builds by ... Monday? Should be pretty easy to figure out. If they're in before then, I'll do 'em before then.

Let's shoot for Spring 1907 by Wednesday.

**Makleveh** · 2012-01-14, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)

Um, Moody? Are you sure I wrote A Tyr - Pie and not A Tyr - Vie?

**Splynn** · 2012-01-14, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)

That is an important question for a number of reasons :D

**Zjoot** · 2012-01-14, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)

Meh, I'll just disband A bel for the sake of convinience.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-15, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Makleveh

Um, Moody? Are you sure I wrote A Tyr - Pie and not A Tyr - Vie?

Having just checked, yes, I am quite sure it was a Pie as in Piedmont.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-17, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)

Guess how much I love you guys! Go ahead, guess! I'll wait.

Enough to give you a NEW map!

Italy retreated to Nap
Russia built A Mos, F Stp (nc)
France built F Mar
England disbanded A Bel

Reminder: Spring 1907 orders due Wednesday night, if at all possible.

I won't be around a computer tonight to do a 24-hour warning, but if someone else wants to post one here, go for it!

**Splynn** · 2012-01-17, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)

Ooooo. A new map :O.

Can we touch it?

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-20, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)

Spring 1907!

No retreats! No surrender!

Fall 1907 orders due by Tuesday night, please!

**Splynn** · 2012-01-20, 07:58 PM (ISO 8601)

Maybe I'm just missing something... but how come F Nap > Ion didn't stop the convoy?

**Murska** · 2012-01-20, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)

Gotta dislodge a convoy to stop it.

**Splynn** · 2012-01-20, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)

Huh. Well I did not know that. I still don't have tons of experience in Dip and this doesn't come up terribly often. Good to get the erroneous belief corrected.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-21, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Murska

Gotta dislodge a convoy to stop it.

Indeed. Even if, hypothetically, you had 2 attacks, both with equal support, that bounce over the Ionian Sea, the convoy still succeeds, even though either attack on its own would have succeeded and dislodged the convoying fleet.

Setting up a supported attack with your own units on a spot where you have a convoying fleet can in fact be a legitimate defensive maneuver, since you can't dislodge your own units, so even if nobody else orders an attack to bounce yours, you're still safe.

**Murska** · 2012-01-21, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)

Can't you just defend the convoy?

**4is111** · 2012-01-21, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)

Sometimes, but if one attacker has strength 3, the other has strength 2 and you only have one army not convoying or being convoyed, you need to support the weaker attacker.

**thewamp** · 2012-01-21, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by 4is111

Sometimes, but if one attacker has strength 3, the other has strength 2 and you only have one army not convoying or being convoyed, you need to support the weaker attacker.

Yes, but that's not what moody was describing. Plus, you'd have to have like 8 territories adjacent - 3 for one attacker, 2 for the other, 1 for your spare fleet and 2 for where the army is being convoyed to and from. I don't think there's actually a spot on the board like that.

**Murska** · 2012-01-21, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)

Eh. Convoy something from York to Norway through the North Sea.

**thewamp** · 2012-01-21, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Murska

Eh. Convoy something from York to Norway through the North Sea.

Alright then, fair point.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-21, 10:20 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Murska

Can't you just defend the convoy?

Uhh ... sure, if you want to do it the boring way.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-24, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)

24ish hour warning!

**Makleveh** · 2012-01-26, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)

*Clears throat*

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-27, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)

Turn will hopefully be up later tonight. Internet access is a bit more sporadic now, and I was waiting on one set of orders for a couple days too. Sorry!

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-27, 09:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Fall 1907!

Retreat!

We need one retreat, from Russia: A Mun may retreat to Ber, Sil, or Boh, or disband.

Assuming the retreat is taken,

England must disband 1.
France may build 1.
Italy must disband 1 (I know you gave me an order for this, but you can change it if you want)
Russia may build 1.
Turkey may build 1.

Can we have the retreat and then builds by Monday, please? And then Spring 1908 orders by Tuesday, or Wednesday at the latest? The builds shouldn't surprise anyone too much, and I encourage you to diplome before they come out anyway.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-28, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)

Russia has retreated to Berlin.

**Zjoot** · 2012-01-29, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)

Disband A yor

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-30, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)

I have your Winter adjustments! But not a new map, sorry. You'll have to make do with your imaginations (or, as I encourage, playing along at home with your own Diplomacy software, available at jdip.sourceforge.net, last time I checked)

England: Disband A Yor
Italy: Disband F Tys
France: Build A Par
Turkey: Build A Con
Russia: Build A War

Reminder: Spring 1908 orders in by Tuesday night, if possible, please (that's English for 'por favor').

**Splynn** · 2012-01-30, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)

I might have everything in by Tuesday. But I'm just giving you a heads up that I may take until Wednesday night to do it; I'm busy all of Tuesday late into the evening, and I can't guarantee that I'll be near the computer.

And I'm not ready to submit my orders just yet.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-01-30, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Splynn

I might have everything in by Tuesday. But I'm just giving you a heads up that I may take until Wednesday night to do it; I'm busy all of Tuesday late into the evening, and I can't guarantee that I'll be near the computer.

And I'm not ready to submit my orders just yet.

All I can ask is that you do your best. I think we all know I might not be able to do the turn until Wednesday either - but if Thursday comes, and I sit down to do it, and I'm still missing orders, then Wednesday, which had been Tuesday and then became Thursday starts to turn into Friday, or maybe Saturday, and, well, you know.

Since I'm only online for a few contiguous hours each day nowadays, and every now and then not at all some days, it makes it even harder. Not that it bothers me that much, but I feel bad because I'm sure you'd all like things happening in a timely fashion.

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-02-01, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)

Spring 1908!

Retreat!

One retreat needed, from Russia. A Mun may retreat to Ruh, Boh, or disband.

Post the retreat here ASAP, please, and let's see if we can squeak Fall 1908 out by Friday night? I know the weekend gets busy for some people, so it might be Monday if it's not Friday.

**Splynn** · 2012-02-01, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Moody the Wise

One retreat needed, from Russia. A Mun may retreat to Ruh, Boh, or disband.

Post the retreat here ASAP, please.

This is why France is so cool. Russia attacks, invades, and yet *still* has to retreat.

More serious note...

A Mun retreat to Ruh

**Moody the Wise** · 2012-02-02, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Splynn

This is why France is so cool. Russia attacks, invades, and yet *still* has to retreat.

More serious note...

A Mun retreat to Ruh

My bad - good catch!

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