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    Ooh. Character development!
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    Wow. Nale's actually grown up a lot since "I can't leave Roy, he needs me" was grounds for a long-term obsessive vendetta, apparently.
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    ...Well.

    Of course this is going to happen, now that you've said it. Of course Sabine is going to be forced to choose between Nale and the IFCC.

    ...I think we may now know who she'll choose.

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    Aw, you somehow actually managed to make Nale and Sabine's relationship look sweet. Together against Hell itself!
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    Sabine has feelings? Whoa.
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    I didn't get it. Does this mean that Sabine will betray the IFCC, or at least, give her priority to Nale's plans?

    Also, I liked the comic, but I would prefer watching Roy's fight :P

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    Oooohhh, this may be the most interesting Linear Guild strip yet. What are Sabine's exact orders? Is she referring to what she told Haley oh so long ago? Does she choose Nale over the Directors? Does Nale's offer mean Thog is not technically part of the Guild anymore, that they lack a sixth, or that Nale isn't limiting the Guild to only 6?

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    Now if Nale shows that kind of loyalty to Sabine, I would consider that a sweet relationship, despite the murder and sacrifice and general evilness... No I wouldn't. It's a sign of loyalty, but I have trouble considering anything so Evil to be sweet in any way.

    Also if Sabine were to cross the IFCC, would the have the ability to take her out of the equation? I would assume so.

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    Interesting... Very interesting indeed.

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    ooh, character development. And 'Z'! and the Therkla comparison occurred to me literally the panel before Qarr brought it up. Woohoo!

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    References to Theraka(sic) and deep conflict between the IFCC's chosen handlers within the LG, a good comic that sets up deeper conflict later
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    Great, one of Elan's few clever moments come to bite him in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash1191 View Post
    Now if Nale shows that kind of loyalty to Sabine, I would consider that a sweet relationship, despite the murder and sacrifice and general evilness... No I wouldn't. It's a sign of loyalty, but I have trouble considering anything so Evil to be sweet in any way.

    Also if Sabine were to cross the IFCC, would the have the ability to take her out of the equation? I would assume so.
    Its a sweet relationship, made up of bad people. Kinda Like the Monarchs from venture bros.

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    Great character development in this strip. Also loved how Nale handled the situation. Rare to see a villian making a potential ally out of a enemy. Could really screw up the Order as Elan thinks that she is fighting Nale and not joining up with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash1191 View Post
    Also if Sabine were to cross the IFCC, would the have the ability to take her out of the equation? I would assume so.
    As long as she stays away from the Lower Planes, she should be safe, since they can only act directly on the mortal plane when they're making a deal.

    Although another possibility comes to mind: What if the IFCC somehow benefits from Nale winning? They said they don't want "EITHER side to really win," not any side, clearly referring to the Order [& pals] and Team Evil. Also, Sabine probably knows more about their long-term goals than Qarr, considering he's been with them for less than 3 weeks.
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    wow, that's kind of touching. I'm actually starting to feel bad for sabine now.

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    *cries* I miss Therlka.
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    Qarr, be nice! Nale, stop smiling at the good captain, its creepy. Sabine, wear more cloths, you might be in the desert but that outfit is too skimpy.
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    wow... I wasn┤t expecting you to continue with Sabine... Still, very good comic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    Oooohhh, this may be the most interesting Linear Guild strip yet. What are Sabine's exact orders? Is she referring to what she told Haley oh so long ago? Does she choose Nale over the Directors? Does Nale's offer mean Thog is not technically part of the Guild anymore, that they lack a sixth, or that Nale isn't limiting the Guild to only 6?

    And the first in-comic use of "Z"!
    Well, if he is still limited to six members, they don't have their Durkon counterpart any more. I don't know what abilities that woman has though.

    Qarr, be nice! Nale, stop smiling at the good captain, its creepy. Sabine, wear more cloths, you might be in the desert but that outfit is too skimpy.
    Qarr is trying to be nice -- as nice as two evil Outsiders can be to each other, I guess. He's trying to protect his colleague from suffering Therkla's fate.

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    What plane are Sabine and Qarr on? I thought the regular patterns meant a Lawful plane, but Qarr says he's heading from there to Hell, so where are they?

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    Some character development on the evil side. Always good to see a 3D antagonist, even if they only gain the depth of a thin stack of papers compared to a single paper.

    Also, I kinda feel bad for Sabine too.
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    What plane are Sabine and Qarr on? I thought the regular patterns meant a Lawful plane, but Qarr says he's heading from there to Hell, so where are they?
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    Interesting strip. Not the funniest ever (although telling the imp to go to Hell was cute), but full of references to past and future.

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    Great, one of Elan's few clever moments come to bite him in the ass.
    Not really. He got the short term survival he desperately needed. That comes at a cost, but so do most decisions made with your back to the wall. What he did still was the smart thing.

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    {Scrubbed}
    So that theory about Sabine and Nale's relationship dissolving since Elan and Haley became a "thing" is wrong. Rather incredibly wrong.
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    {Scrubbed}
    Also, if Qarr and Sabine didn't attacked each other on sight, and considering that the Blood War between the Baatezu and Tan'ari were mentioned somewhere in the comic, dos this mean that Sabine is a Lawful Evil extraplanar? I always believes she was a succubus...

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    So....then perhaps loyalty to the group is the third way Sabine and Haley are opposites?

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    Yes, i guess :P

    Also, if Qarr and Sabine didn't attacked each other on sight, and considering that the Blood War between the Baatezu and Tan'ari were mentioned somewhere in the comic, dos this mean that Sabine is a Lawful Evil extraplanar? I always believes she was a succubus...
    Sabine is indeed a succubus, but they both work for an organization whose stated goal is to bridge the gap between demons, daemons, and devils.
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    Going to hell never seemed to be an insult to imps. Though I plan to work this into a game session. As soon as one of my players gets an Imp.
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    THe plan unravels! The IFCC is revealed! And Thog gets a puppy?
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