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    I know people make classes for this all the time, but I don't understand that. So I'm going to make a feat, since it seems to me that a barbarian who put enough training and resources into his mind should be able to break the "No Spells while Raging" rule

    Mystic Rage
    Prerequisites: Rage class feature, able to cast 1st level spells
    Benefit: You may cast spells while you are raging. You may also use the Concentration skill while you are raging, but only to use the Cast Defensively option, or to maintain a spell after taking damage. This feat does not allow you to use metamagic feats while raging.
    Normal: A barbarian without the Mystic Rage feat is unable to cast spells or use the Concentration skill while raging.


    Bardic Rage
    Prerequisites: Rage class feature, Bardic Music class feature, Mystic Rage
    Benefit: Your bard levels stack with your barbarian levels for determining the number of times you may rage per day, as well as the amount of power your rage bestows (Your bard levels stack with your barbarian levels to determine if you have the greater rage or mighty rage class features)

    Your barbarian levels stack with your bard levels for determining the number of bardic musics you have per day, as well as how high the bonus of your Inspire Courage class feature is.

    Additionally, while you are raging, you add your barbarian levels to your bard caster level, but this cannot exceed your HD.
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    I'm dubious about the second part of Bardic Rage, but apart from that, I see no major problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grod_The_Giant View Post
    I'm dubious about the second part of Bardic Rage, but apart from that, I see no major problem.
    Why? It's like Practiced Spellcaster, and it doesn't stack with Practiced Spellcaster, but it's specific to a barbarian/bard combo. (I'll add a note about it only applying to your bard caster level though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Why? It's like Practiced Spellcaster, and it doesn't stack with Practiced Spellcaster, but it's specific to a barbarian/bard combo. (I'll add a note about it only applying to your bard caster level though)
    It's better than Practiced Spellcaster, since it's potentially +19 instead of +4. Sure, it's only during a rage, but those pretty much last all of combat. And Practiced Spellcaster is an entirely separate feat that's often worth taking all by itself, while this also stacks a bunch of other things.

    My suggestion would be to move the caster level stacking to a feat of its own, and leave Bardic Rage on its own-- the ability stacking is quite good enough on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grod_The_Giant View Post
    It's better than Practiced Spellcaster, since it's potentially +19 instead of +4. Sure, it's only during a rage, but those pretty much last all of combat. And Practiced Spellcaster is an entirely separate feat that's often worth taking all by itself, while this also stacks a bunch of other things.

    My suggestion would be to move the caster level stacking to a feat of its own, and leave Bardic Rage on its own-- the ability stacking is quite good enough on its own.
    Yes, but it only works for two specific classes, instead of for any casting class. And also, have you seen the bardic spell list? Not many spells are that useful in combat, and many of them don't use caster level for anything except duration.

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    GAHHH I love your homebrew!

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    Mmm, Bardbarians would actually work a lot better and be more popular with this.
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    Here, NeoSeraphi, have one more to add to the list:

    Divine Rage
    Prerequisites: ability to rage, ability to turn or rebuke dead, Mystic Rage
    Benefits: Your Cleric levels stack with your Barbarian levels for determining the number of times you may rage per day, as well as the amount of power your rage bestows (Your Cleric levels stack with your Barbarian levels to determine if you have the greater rage or mighty rage class features)

    Your Barbarian levels stack with your Cleric levels to determine how strong undead you can turn or rebuke.

    Additionally, while you are raging, you add your Barbarian levels to your divine caster level, but this cannot exceed your HD.


    I'm contemplating how to make a feat that lets you have both levels in Barbarian and Paladin. I'll get back to you on this when I figure out how it would work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Yes, but it only works for two specific classes, instead of for any casting class. And also, have you seen the bardic spell list? Not many spells are that useful in combat, and many of them don't use caster level for anything except duration.
    Fair point about duration, but combat useful spells? How about Tasha's Hideous Laughter? Blindness/Deafness? Hold Person? Grease?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noctis Vigil View Post
    Here, NeoSeraphi, have one more to add to the list:

    Holy Rage
    Prerequisites: ability to rage, ability to turn dead, Mystic Rage
    Benefits: Your Cleric levels stack with your Barbarian levels for determining the number of times you may rage per day, as well as the amount of power your rage bestows (Your Cleric levels stack with your Barbarian levels to determine if you have the greater rage or mighty rage class features)

    Your Barbarian levels stack with your Cleric levels to determine how many times per day you may turn undead, as well as your Cleric level to determine how strong undead you can turn.

    Additionally, while you are raging, you add your Barbarian levels to your divine caster level, but this cannot exceed your HD.


    I'm contemplating how to make a feat that lets you have both levels in Barbarian and Paladin. I'll get back to you on this when I figure out how it would work.
    Your cleric level has nothing to do with how many times per day you turn undead. If it did, DMM clerics would be UNBELIEVABLY overpowered '

    Also, your feat excludes evil clerics. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grod_The_Giant View Post
    Fair point about duration, but combat useful spells? How about Tasha's Hideous Laughter? Blindness/Deafness? Hold Person? Grease?
    And what does increasing your CL have to do with any of those, other than increasing them a few rounds, by which time the character would have already died because you're a barbarian attacking someone who's paralyzed or prone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Your cleric level has nothing to do with how many times per day you turn undead. If it did, DMM clerics would be UNBELIEVABLY overpowered '

    Also, your feat excludes evil clerics. Why?
    You're right, I shall edit the feat accordingly so it says it only adds to how powerful an undead you can turn.

    As for why it's only good, I don't see anywhere where it says you must be good. Did I miss something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noctis Vigil View Post
    You're right, I shall edit the feat accordingly so it says it only adds to how powerful an undead you can turn.

    As for why it's only good, I don't see anywhere where it says you must be good. Did I miss something?
    Evil clerics can't turn undead. They rebuke undead.

    Edit: By the way, I have a feat "Righteous Fury" in my sig that combines barbarians and paladins. So you don't need to make that one.
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    Ahhhhh. OK, so I didn't specify. I meant they could, but I only stated turning. I can see how that could be misconstrued. Will edit now.

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    For the Diamond Mind enthusiasts, and skillmonkey types mainly

    Focused Rage
    Prerequisites: Rage Class Feature
    Benefit: You can use all of your skills normally while raging, and can also use the Combat Expertise feat if you have it. In addition, choose one skill; it becomes a Barbarian class skill for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    Evil clerics can't turn undead. They rebuke undead.
    The way things are worded generally, turning can refer to the overarching ability to influence undead via channeled energy, but clarification is always better.

    What with there being some items that increase effective turning that work for rebuking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    The way things are worded generally, turning can refer to the overarching ability to influence undead via channeled energy, but clarification is always better.

    What with there being some items that increase effective turning that work for rebuking.
    Just because WotC words things generally doesn't mean that us homebrewers have to stoop to that level.

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    Anyways, if y'all want to take a look, it's all updated to be NeoSeraphi compliant in quality. Also renamed, because I have issues with an Evil character taking a "holy" ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSeraphi View Post
    And what does increasing your CL have to do with any of those, other than increasing them a few rounds, by which time the character would have already died because you're a barbarian attacking someone who's paralyzed or prone?



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    Can a vocal (non instrumental bard) use his bardic music while raging? I do not have access to my books at the moment and I am not sure of the answer.

    If the answer is no, then can your Bardic Rage feat allow it or be a prerequisite for a feat that does?

    This may be a complete moot point, and I am sorry if it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motionmatrix View Post
    Can a vocal (non instrumental bard) use his bardic music while raging? I do not have access to my books at the moment and I am not sure of the answer.

    If the answer is no, then can your Bardic Rage feat allow it or be a prerequisite for a feat that does?

    This may be a complete moot point, and I am sorry if it is.
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    Eh, I don't much care for Barbarian casters casting defensively, as raging is all about throwing caution to the wind to crush your enemies, drive them before you and hear the lamentations of their loved ones. What if, instead, you add your Barbarian class level to the Concentration check if you get hit while casting, as your rage girds you against pain? I'd also steal the 'activate IC as a swift' from Song of the White Raven for Bardic Rage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cieyrin View Post
    Eh, I don't much care for Barbarian casters casting defensively, as raging is all about throwing caution to the wind to crush your enemies, drive them before you and hear the lamentations of their loved ones. What if, instead, you add your Barbarian class level to the Concentration check if you get hit while casting, as your rage girds you against pain? I'd also steal the 'activate IC as a swift' from Song of the White Raven for Bardic Rage.
    Considering Concentration is not a class skill for barbarians, you'd simply be upping your Concentration check to the maximum for your level. Also, the rage doesn't guard you against the pain, you still take full damage...

    Considering the nature of most bardic spells (illusions and enchantments), I think that a bardbarian would be more interested in casting defensively than yelling "Celestial Tree Sloth Attack!" while standing right in front of someone and getting hit for it.

    As for the activate IC as a swift action, I think that's too many abilities for one gestalting feat. The higher caster level was already pushing it, so I figure you can just IC your first turn, then wait a round before charging in. After all, IC has no limit on its duration.

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