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    One of my players is looking for a monk-based prestige class specifically targetted at wizards. Something that will preferably grant things like spell resistance and the like.

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    1) Monks already get spell resistance
    2) The Mageslayer feat line in Complete Arcane works pretty good for anti-mage dealings
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    Mageslayer feats are always nice...there's also the Occult Slayer PrC - even though it's not a monk class.

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    Well yes, but Monks can get it. I'd just stay straight monk, Thgey're already excellent magekillers: Improved Grapple, great saves, SR. What more could you want?
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    Yeah, straight monks can be competent mage-killers, but another one you might wanna look into is the Forsaker, from good ol' Masters of the Wild (I never understood its place in that book). I don't think it required them to have a special trademark weapon like the Occult slayer, so I think it works for monks. Rather well, in fact, since a monk suffers less for lacking magical weaponry/armor. Of course, locating the book can be a bit of a pain.

    On a half-related note, I always hated how the Mageslayer lines in 3.5 hamper spell-users. As if magic users would never have any reason to learn how to defeat other magic users. Feh.
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    Well, if you can get your DM to allow Masterwork fists... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipmunkboy77
    Well yes, but Monks can get it. I'd just stay straight monk, Thgey're already excellent magekillers: Improved Grapple, great saves, SR. What more could you want?
    I agree. Monks should never multiclass unless you're only dipping for whatever reason. Their effectiveness is pretty much based entirely on level (they're like pure casters, who should never multiclass unless they only dipped into casting, or can keep their full CL).

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    Straight Monk is best. Get an amulet or whatever of antimagic. Wash Rinse repeat.
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    Brokenness is my friend, behold!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Brokenness is my friend, behold!

    Feral Lesser Aasimar Saint Monk3/Paladin3/Forsaker 10, with the Mage slayer line of feats and a vow of poverty.

    This is a mage slayer, if I ever saw one.
    ..... *hysterical sobs*
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    Aaww, why the hysterical sobs? It's not the worst one I've done. Maybe later I'll give you a look at some of the others...needless to say that some of them involve the half clay golem template.

    Eh, what the heck.

    Feral/Half Red Dragon/Troll/Monster of Legend/Half clay golem. (yes, all the templates do stack)

    Immune to all targeted spells, immune to nearly all spells anyway, immune to mind effects, immune to fire and acid, immune to slashing and piercing damage, fast healing and regeneration. Only way to kill it is to get it to -10 subdual and wish it dead.

    Shame about the huge list of immunities though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Aaww, why the hysterical sobs? It's not the worst one I've done. Maybe later I'll give you a look at some of the others...needless to say that some of them involve the half clay golem template.

    Eh, what the heck.

    Feral/Half Red Dragon/Troll/Monster of Legend/Half clay golem. (yes, all the templates do stack)

    Immune to all targeted spells, immune to nearly all spells anyway, immune to mind effects, immune to fire and acid, immune to slashing and piercing damage, fast healing and regeneration. Only way to kill it is to get it to -10 subdual and wish it dead.

    Shame about the huge list of immunities though.

    [my players banned me from templates after seeing this bad boy]
    How did you specify the LA for Monster of Legend? I saw the template in...what MM2? And The only thng I saw was a Challnge Rating increase... :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Brokenness is my friend, behold!

    Feral Lesser Aasimar Saint Monk3/Paladin3/Forsaker 10, with the Mage slayer line of feats and a vow of poverty.

    This is a mage slayer, if I ever saw one.
    Your brokenness is fun, but even a loophole-finding munchkin as yourself has to stick to the rules at some point. And I'm sorry to say: those rules dissallow VoP Monks. (Not in the BoED, but in the errata. Naturally, in your quest to find the Ultimate Munch, who's toenails you are not worthy to lick, it is very much allowed to ignore any alterations that impose any kind of limitation on your builds.)

    On Topic: a properly leveled, properly equiped Monk is the best mage killer in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Aaww, why the hysterical sobs? It's not the worst one I've done. Maybe later I'll give you a look at some of the others...needless to say that some of them involve the half clay golem template.

    Eh, what the heck.

    Feral/Half Red Dragon/Troll/Monster of Legend/Half clay golem. (yes, all the templates do stack)

    Immune to all targeted spells, immune to nearly all spells anyway, immune to mind effects, immune to fire and acid, immune to slashing and piercing damage, fast healing and regeneration. Only way to kill it is to get it to -10 subdual and wish it dead.

    Shame about the huge list of immunities though.

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    Why thank you kind sirs, I appreciate the acclaim you give me.

    In regards to the level adjustment of the troll, I don't use it as a character, but as a monster for when my players start to irk me. They see it and run for their lives.

    Works every time. It's a CR12 by the rules, or a level 25 character. A group of friends I have priced the Monster of Legend template as +8 to LA.

    Oh, and where on earth was a VoP monk disallowed? I have never seen that one before.

    [edit]Having just checked the errata for the BoED, there is no mention of the VoP monk being illegal. In fact, the errata is only 2 pages long for that book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Feral/Half Red Dragon/Troll/Monster of Legend/Half clay golem. (yes, all the templates do stack)
    Uh...nope. How can you be HALF red dragon and HALF clay golem and then anything else? Basic logic dictates that all you have built is a mess.

    And no, don't tell me that because the rules don't mention you can't have it built like this, you can have it. Lose the half-dragon and we'll talk.

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    Meh, I'll post how it happens in all it's glory, or it's evil.

    A feral troll is raped by a red dragon.

    The resulting child is blessed by Tiamat, and becomes a Monster of Legend.

    Later in it's life, it is captured by an evil wizard who wants to use it as a slave. To make it more amenable, he adds in a half-clay golem arm.

    These templates stack perfectly, as per the RAW.

    I mean, if you can have a half dragon halfling, and you can add a half dragon template to a chicken, then this works just as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Meh, I'll post how it happens in all it's glory, or it's evil.

    A feral troll is raped by a red dragon.

    The resulting child is blessed by Tiamat, and becomes a Monster of Legend.

    Later in it's life, it is captured by an evil wizard who wants to use it as a slave. To make it more amenable, he adds in a half-clay golem arm.

    These templates stack perfectly, as per the RAW.

    I mean, if you can have a half dragon halfling, and you can add a half dragon template to a chicken, then this works just as well.
    I must agree here, I see the Half-Golem Template MUST be an acquired (sp?) Template... I mean, not even a flesh golem... no... dont want to think about that do we...


    Genetics and D&D dont mix well i know, but this one could acctually work.

    PS. I'm glad to see that the LA on a Monster of Legend was a home-rule, I would hate to have missed it myself :)
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    What book does the monster of legend template come from, for I must posess it.

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    Look it up in MM2, if memory serves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Meh, I'll post how it happens in all it's glory, or it's evil.

    A feral troll is raped by a red dragon.

    The resulting child is blessed by Tiamat, and becomes a Monster of Legend.

    Later in it's life, it is captured by an evil wizard who wants to use it as a slave. To make it more amenable, he adds in a half-clay golem arm.

    These templates stack perfectly, as per the RAW.

    I mean, if you can have a half dragon halfling, and you can add a half dragon template to a chicken, then this works just as well.
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    What? I could reverse it and have the feral troll be the instigator...maybe they're in love.

    There's an image for you, a feral troll and a red dragon, in love. Aaaawwww.

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    Actually, I'm more curious about the half-dragon chicken.
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    Yeah, were only slightly off topic here.::)

    In the Dragon Compendium theres a class called the arconaopath monk. Monks that specialize in mage killing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Jin
    Brokenness is my friend, behold!

    Feral Lesser Aasimar Saint Monk3/Paladin3/Forsaker 10, with the Mage slayer line of feats and a vow of poverty.

    This is a mage slayer, if I ever saw one.
    The only way this would ever work is if the rest of the party donated enough magic items above and beyond your normal share to keep up your Forsaker destruction quota. You see, the Vow of Poverty requires that you donate your share of party loot to charity instead of destroying it.
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    I played a drow fighter/rogue whose primary job was mage killer awhile back. If I had been able to be evil, I might have taken levels of assassin. Nearly monk like saves for the first few levels, SR from the start, sneak attack, evasion at 2nd level, and the skills from the rogue levels with the +2 INT. The LA sucked but we used the rule for trading XP to reduce it, and having a slightly higher wealth per level more than made up for it.

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    Waaaaaiiitaminit. Trolls can't be feral!!!!

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    The best mage killer I can think of is a mix of spellthief, wild mage, and occult slayer.
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