LGBTAitP - Part 20: Critical Hit!

[Mindfreak]

Um, hello all!(haven't been here for a while...)

I have a bit of a question that has been bothering me...

I can't understand exactly why a boy would wish he was a girl and a girl would wish she was a boy...
So if someone could explain it, it'd be appreciated.
To make things clearer, I'm talking about why would a person want to become the opposite gender, both through surgery and drag, if you will.

[Triscuitable]

Have you actually played the game? Because it does a really great way of portraying characters without disabilities without making them just about their disabilities or treating them as people to be coddled. (And considering there is a KS thread on GitP and it hasn't been gotten rid of shows that it is an appropriate topic on these boards. Sorry if I'm sounding harsh, but have you played the actual game?)

My hero! My savior! And also, that thread is dead. It last a while, but I guess everyone there completed it before I got there. It can live on in spirit here, though. It's a nice topic to talk about, love interests who are disabled, dealing with how that will affect a relationship.

[noparlpf]

Um, hello all!(haven't been here for a while...)

I have a bit of a question that has been bothering me...

I can't understand exactly why a boy would wish he was a girl and a girl would wish she was a boy...
So if someone could explain it, it'd be appreciated.
To make things clearer, I'm talking about why would a person want to become the opposite gender, both through surgery and drag, if you will.

Well, I'm cissexual, so I have some trouble understanding the feelings myself. It's difficult to imagine how gender dysphoria feels the same way it's difficult to imagine how it would feel to be a woman. (If you're male.)
Let me start with your terminology. It's not exactly a boy wishing he were a girl or vice versa; it's a male-bodied woman wishing she had a female body, or vice versa. "Gender" or "gender identity" is like "mental" sex. "Gender expression" is how you act; there are transwomen who are tomboyish. So these people don't want to become the opposite gender. They want to alter their body to better match their gender or "mental" sex.
Hopefully this makes sense so far.

[Serpentine]

Um, hello all!(haven't been here for a while...)

I have a bit of a question that has been bothering me...

I can't understand exactly why a boy would wish he was a girl and a girl would wish she was a boy...
So if someone could explain it, it'd be appreciated.
To make things clearer, I'm talking about why would a person want to become the opposite gender, both through surgery and drag, if you will.

Hoo-boy... You're really plunging into the deep end, huh? Good luck.

[Mindfreak]

What's cissexual mean, exactly?
No, it only makes a little bit of sense now.
I mean, I guess I can't really understand why someone wouldn't love their body the way it is, I guess.
I mean, I myself love my body, and I wouldn't trade my he for a she, if you get my drift.

[Blisstake]

Um, hello all!(haven't been here for a while...)

I have a bit of a question that has been bothering me...

I can't understand exactly why a boy would wish he was a girl and a girl would wish she was a boy...
So if someone could explain it, it'd be appreciated.
To make things clearer, I'm talking about why would a person want to become the opposite gender, both through surgery and drag, if you will.

Well, you feel like you're male, right? Imagine you felt the exact same way, but you had a woman's body. Your mind and body are expressing two different genders, and one way to get them in harmony is by altering how you dress or altering your body through surgery so that the two are closer together.

I am not transexual myself, however, and I imagine someone who is could give a much better answer.

[noparlpf]

What's cissexual mean, exactly?
No, it only makes a little bit of sense now.
I mean, I guess I can't really understand why someone wouldn't love their body the way it is, I guess.
I mean, I myself love my body, and I wouldn't trade my he for a she, if you get my drift.

Cissexual is the opposite of transsexual. Transsexual means one's gender does not match one's sex. Cissexual means one's gender does match one's sex. Most people are cissexual.
As for the why? There's some evidence that it has to do with neurology; transsexual women's brains are more similar to cissexual women's brains than to cissexual men's brains, and vice versa. Or something like that.
Why should it matter why it happens anyway? Just the fact that there are people who feel that their body doesn't match their gender and that this causes a great deal of discomfort for them should be enough reason to believe that it does happen and to support them.

[Mindfreak]

Blisstake, that's a very helpful point.

And noparlpf, it matters to me because I just don't really understand it. And if it were to happen to someone close to me I would of course support them fully, and I do believe it happens.

[noparlpf]

Blisstake, that's a very helpful point.

And noparlpf, it matters to me because I just don't really understand it. And if it were to happen to someone close to me I would of course support them fully, and I do believe it happens.

Hmm. Do you have any neuroses? For me the descriptions I've heard sound kind of like how I get when I have a mysophobic episode. (Basically "germophobia".) Even if I'm in the shower or whatever everything feels dirty and weird and wrong and my skin feels like it's the wrong size and stuff. So I imagine gender dysphoria is like that, just all the time and because the brain's "map" of the body doesn't match what the body is like.

[Mindfreak]

I have no idea what neuroses are. :I

But, what you get sounds kinda like what happens to me. Sometimes I just have to go clean up everything because everything HAS to be clean...

[Rappy]

Oh, wow. I stop reading this thread for a little while and everyone goes gaga for Natalie Reed. I was reading Natalie Reed before it was cool to read her blog. *

*Not: Hipster sarcasm is not meant to be taken as real feelings on readership. Hipster sarcasm is not legal in the state of Kentucky, and your personal results may vary.

But going to echo Lix here, a lot of my coping is done by internets. :c

Same. I live in a region where transitioning is simply not feasible, so I exist in the "meatspace stealth identity" route.

Um, hello all!(haven't been here for a while...)

I have a bit of a question that has been bothering me...

I can't understand exactly why a boy would wish he was a girl and a girl would wish she was a boy...
So if someone could explain it, it'd be appreciated.
To make things clearer, I'm talking about why would a person want to become the opposite gender, both through surgery and drag, if you will.

It's not that a boy would wish to be a girl or vice versa. It's that a boy is in a girl's body, or vice versa. The brain and the body simply don't match.

Imagine, to use a D&D analogy, that you are a centaur, and a Wizard polymorphed you into a cow. I'd imagine you'd feel rather out of place, no?

Well, imagine that you were polymorphed into a calf right after your centaur mother gave birth to you. And you knew so. You always felt so. And you can't get a dispell.

It's sort of like that.

[Arachu]

Blisstake, that's a very helpful point.

And noparlpf, it matters to me because I just don't really understand it. And if it were to happen to someone close to me I would of course support them fully, and I do believe it happens.

It's more relieving to hear that than you may think.

I'd contribute, but I'm too slow today and my points have been made for me.

My own dysphoria (mind/body dissonance) feels sort of like how it does to stand in the sun all day... On a good day. I don't know if the bad ones can even be described, and I'm good at describing disturbing things. :/

Imagine, to use a D&D analogy, that you are a centaur, and a Wizard polymorphed you into a cow. I'd imagine you'd feel rather out of place, no?

I'd compare it more to getting polymorphed from human to dog - instead of just wondering why you don't have arms, you'd wonder why you have so many legs. Everything would be 'there', it'd just... Not fit together right.

[Coidzor]

Is there a reason there wasn't a link to the obvious series of OotS strips or am I just being unobservant again? I seem to recall that Roy was rather annoyed by the experience and eager to get it rectified as soon as possible. Seems like a fairly ready example to apply the thought of feeling like, or worse(one can even find examples, what, 2 pages back in this thread?), that for one's entire life and not having a dwarf around to magic it away.

[H Birchgrove]

I must remember to ask a moderator if I can (continue to) post in the Superheroes in the Playground thread, considering the time since anyone posted there. (I was a bit worried last time I posted there, actually.)

Few bits and pieces:

@Mr Birchgrove - if you want to chuck any of the stuff I've done up on Deviantart, feel free. I don't have an account myself.

Thanks!

Do I also have your permission to use The Goddess Legabitp in stories?

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It's easy to know that in theory, and even know it's true, and yet, still very hard to feel good about myself. I used to be a better shape, like, curvy rather than chubby, but illness struck again. I know it's awful, but sometimes I think, since I'm sick anyway, why can't I have an illness that makes me lose my appetite, instead of preventing me from exercising while making me hungry all the time? I could be one of those stylishly waifish invalides, instead of being overweight and sick! The depressing part is, I'm actually the size of the average Irish woman, and a shade smaller than the size of the average American woman. But I've been taught very strictly that I'm far too fat and it's basically disgusting. I'm trying to be more like "Actually, I'm fine the size I am. I need to get my fitness back up to improve my health as I recover from this bout of illness, but my shape is fine." rather than "Why am I so incredibly fat and ugly? No wonder everyone hates me!" but, y'know, old habits and all that.

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List me as another one has been overweight since childhood; it has become something of a part of my identity... I *want* to be strong and muscular, or at least without this blobby belly, but when I imagine myself that, it seems so ridiculous...

[Cobra_Ikari]

So it's an eroge about "crippled girls" where they are introduced by their disabilities
Yeah
Crippled girl eroge = fetish porn

okay great except all the characters so far are disabled so your point doesn't really make sense.
If theres a ks thread it should stay there, I don't see how making fun of an armless girl trying to hug is related to queers

Eh. It has excellent storytelling, I enjoy that it's one of the few places I've seen addressed that if you treat people like invalids they will hate you for it, the sex scenes are optional, not very erotic, and contain plot, and honestly, I have a hard time calling something where you have to play for about 4 hours to see a 5 minute sex scene "porn". I mean, most movies these days have a higher ratio of sex:plot than that.

The Rin inability to hug thing is a little tasteless, though.

[Lady Tialait]

*eyeroll* If I had a nickle for everytime someone did something tasteless, I'd be richer then Bill Gates.

Chillax, tis cool. Now, sense I've seen it. Kneenibbler *throws a hug* I'm rather happy, so that is a gay hug. Enjoy.

[Arachu]

So it's an eroge about "crippled girls" where they are introduced by their disabilities
Yeah
Crippled girl eroge = fetish porn

So, being attracted to girls with disabilities is a fetish? Even when the appeal isn't their disability?

And all it takes for a game to qualify as porn is a couple of late-in sex scenes?

I don't get your point.

[noparlpf]

I'm playing it now because I'm bored. And I'm not even into girls, crippled or not.

[turkishproverb]

...and now you have me imagining a Y version of that game...

[Nix Nihila]

do people masturbate to this? yes? Ok.
I'm not going to Dignify that with a response

Well, if that's all it takes for something to be considered porn...

In queer news I may be part of a IGB video do any of you have experience with that

Cool. I haven't (partially due to a grudge against Dan Savage, although that is a bit petty), but it'd be interesting to see it when it's done.

Also, welcome!

[Cobra_Ikari]

I appreciate a good story as much as the next person but one that exploits handicapped people for their disabilities disgusts me. The characters aren't Sasuka or Kim or whatever, they're girl-with-one-arm-and-an-eyepatch or girl-who-is-emotionally-traumatized-but-will-sleep-with-protagonist.

I didn't really see it as exploitative at all. Unless you feel there's something inherently wrong with people with disabilities being sexual beings. *shrugs*

From my experience, the story was more about the player character learning to accept the recent changes in his life and accepting that his disability didn't invalidate him as a human being. And yes, pretty much everyone in the story is emotionally traumatized, but it's things like learning to deal with the loss of a loved one or growing up with an abusive parent or feeling unable to express themself in a manner that lets them be understood. The only disability angst that goes on at all is in the protagonist's self reflection.

I really doubt you've played it/want to play it, but I really feel this is one subject where people judge by their initial impressions about how a dating sim centered around people with disabilities written by 4chan must be.


And people will masturbate to anything. ANYTHING. That said, I first tried the game after hearing about it and looking it up and seeing nothing but reviews by people who had gone into it with the attempt to treat it like fetish porn and got so caught up in the story that they couldn't masturbate to it. So...YMMV? *shrugs*



*coughs*...sorry, everyone, now back to your regularly scheduled LBGTAitP. >.>

[noparlpf]

Also assuming male in a tbgl thread that's cool

I use "dude" to anybody. I opened an IM to a female friend earlier with "Dude, I got my wisdom teeth pulled today." "Dude" isn't necessarily a male label.


This reminds me, though: Even though I've been trying to change it, when reading, I often assume somebody is male if gender is unspecified. Like something about a lawyer, I caught myself assuming they were male, and they turned out to be female.
This makes me feel bad.
Bluh.

[noparlpf]

And I have Asperger's Syndrome, I'm not a paraplegic. Cut the ****.

An update: My friend says that his mother is one of two people on the DSM-V committee who voted against folding Asperger's into "Autism Spectrum Disorder". He says that she very much doubts that they'll keep Asperger's, despite the public outcry against folding it all into one thing.

*coughs*...sorry, everyone, now back to your regularly scheduled LBGTAitP. >.>

This is our regularly scheduled LGBTAitP. It's pretty rare for us to be on-topic.

[Cobra_Ikari]

This is our regularly scheduled LGBTAitP. It's pretty rare for us to be on-topic.

Ah, well...as someone who doesn't really have a concept of gender and who is uncomfortable with the idea of sex with men (as a biological male), I really don't feel comfortable hijacking the topic of conversation in here, y'know? >.>

[noparlpf]

Ah, well...as someone who doesn't really have a concept of gender and who is uncomfortable with the idea of sex with men (as a biological male), I really don't feel comfortable hijacking the topic of conversation in here, y'know? >.>

I'm a cisman and I'm asexual. And I hijack conversations sometimes. Asta is one of the most frequent posters and he's a cisman and straight. (Though admittedly he's on-topic more than most of us.)
So go for it!

[Arachu]

I appreciate a good story as much as the next person but one that exploits handicapped people for their disabilities disgusts me. The characters aren't Sasuka or Kim or whatever, they're girl-with-one-arm-and-an-eyepatch or girl-who-is-emotionally-traumatized-but-will-sleep-with-protagonist.

The fact that you hate it but don't try to disprove it
You can PM a mod and reopen it patience is a virtue "dude"
"I dont hug people like Rin" ah sorry about losing your arms my condolences
If the artist for the porno made it it's ok? That just solidifies everything I think about this
This book lacks a cover how could you remind it of its horrible handicap geez

do people masturbate to this? yes? Ok.
I'm not going to Dignify that with a response

Sorry for lurking , nice to see a welcoming community and it takes a while to type with no arms
Also assuming male in a tbgl thread that's cool

In queer news I may be part of a IGB video do any of you have experience with that

I get what you're getting at, but you're being kind of assumptive. I mean, people masturbate to everything (fully-clothed people, trees, everything) - that people are turned on by something does not imply that it's pornographic in nature.

Besides, if it was just porn then why would it include an option to disable the scenes? A porno with no sex scenes would be sort of... Well, it'd just end up being a poorly-written sketch.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Tri's asexual. I'm not trying to sound confrontational (sorry if I have), but it's obviously important enough to him to defend, and I don't think erotic appeal rates very high on his priorities.


What's IGB?

Sun, before you judge the game again based on an image, please play it. The fact that WE can joke about disabilities shows how little we think of them. That's not a bad thing. The less you consider disabilities a negative trait, then the more you'll get it.

Also, turn off the goddamn h-content, and play it.

It you think that the game is an h-game, you are dead-freaking-wrong.

Also, cut the trolling. I just realized you're doing nothing productive, and jumped in because we're not talking "queer". We go on tangents, and talk about what we want to. Deal with it.

And I have Asperger's Syndrome, I'm not a paraplegic. Cut the ****.

*Hugs* Calm down, Sun has a point... Fetishization gets taken to unfortunate places pretty often, and some of those places make even innocent examples look bad. Just look at "chasers". >:/

[turkishproverb]

Ah, well...as someone who doesn't really have a concept of gender and who is uncomfortable with the idea of sex with men (as a biological male), I really don't feel comfortable hijacking the topic of conversation in here, y'know? >.>

which is a shame given how huggable you are.

[Cobra_Ikari]

which is a shame given how huggable you are.

*hugs Turkish* It's a shame that I don't hijack topics?

[Arachu]

*hugs Turkish* It's a shame that I don't hijack topics?

These topics need drivers, and sometimes those drivers need breaks.

... Or something, I dunno.

[turkishproverb]

*hugs Turkish* It's a shame that I don't hijack topics?

It'd keep you around more. *hugs*