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    Well, folks, I'm starting another Compendium. I know, I know, they always die off because the person who starts them stops updating them. That's why this one will be different.


    It's user-submitted!

    Basically, it's the Homebrewer's Extended Signature, with a formal format and broken into categories for ease of use.

    Please limit all discussion, suggestions, etc. to this thread, and refrain from posting in the other threads except to submit your homebrew in the approved format.

    Hopefully, it will self-bump itself to never fall too far down the list, but perhaps once it's going and has enough interest the Mods might sticky the Table of Contents thread. We'll see.

    The point of this thread will be to gather input on ways to better the Compendium format, or to discuss the need for additional categories.

    Currently started:
    Base classes
    Prestige Classes
    Races/Templates
    Items
    Enhancements
    Feats
    Disciplines and Maneuvers
    Spells and Domains
    Invocations and Blast Shapes
    Monsters

    Still to start:
    Subsystems
    Vestiges
    Soulmelds
    Skills and Skill Usages/Tricks


    If you have suggestions on how to format the entries for any of the above, please speak up. I'm going slowly with this so as to maximize the ability to plan the format out, rather than make changes midstream after people have started posting.

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    Glad to see this is underway! I look forward to seeing how it develops.

    Edit: Looking a Unosorta's response, I just remembered. I think you need a Martial Adept tag.
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    Yeah, I realized that as he was in the midst of writing his entry. It's been added as [Martial].

    Definitely going to take some ironing out as this process unfolds. Unosarta, the [Melee] tag is for <20 BAB, as opposed to the [BAB20]

    EDIT: Does anyone have any suggestions for changes that need to happen to the [Tag] list for Prestige Classes? Otherwise I'll just use them as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhvaughan View Post
    Yeah, I realized that as he was in the midst of writing his entry. It's been added as [Martial].

    Definitely going to take some ironing out as this process unfolds. Unosarta, the [Melee] tag is for <20 BAB, as opposed to the [BAB20]

    EDIT: Does anyone have any suggestions for changes that need to happen to the [Tag] list for Prestige Classes? Otherwise I'll just use them as is.
    I like this and I've just submitted the base classes I've made.
    As for the Prestige Class Tags could you put in [FullPrC]? Its where the Prestige Class has twenty levels instead of 5 or 10 and all my PrC's fit into that category.
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    I think the second tag will be [#], where # is how many levels the PrC is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhvaughan View Post
    I think the second tag will be [#], where # is how many levels the PrC is.
    Sounds good and will work for all Prestige Classes.
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    Can I petition for a new tag: [Alt], for Alternate Rules?

    It would encompass things like Spell Point casting, 2d6 instead of d20 and things like that.

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    And also possibly [System], for all of the unique systems created here.
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    Default Re: [Compendium] Discussion Thread

    I'm assuming you mean a thread, rather than a [Tag]?

    I think a System/Subsystem thread would be good, but I have no idea how to best format it (I hven't built or played anything other than 3.5).

    I assume the first would be

    [Sys]
    Followed by [?]

    [Sub]
    Followed by [3.5/PF] [4.0] [D20] [?]

    What other tags would that thread need? Doe it need a bunch of tags? Are there really that many systems and subsystems that tags would even be necessary/work?


    Edit: And perhaps [Alt] would fit nicely in such a thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhvaughan View Post
    I'm assuming you mean a thread, rather than a [Tag]?

    I think a System/Subsystem thread would be good, but I have no idea how to best format it (I hven't built or played anything other than 3.5).

    I assume the first would be

    [Sys]
    Followed by [?]

    [Sub]
    Followed by [3.5/PF] [4.0] [D20] [?]

    What other tags would that thread need? Doe it need a bunch of tags? Are there really that many systems and subsystems that tags would even be necessary/work?


    Edit: And perhaps [Alt] would fit nicely in such a thread?
    These two tags would probably fit into the Subsystem section
    [MagFix] For subsystems that fix magic.
    [NewMag] For subsystems that are whole new sections of magic.
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    I'd like to suggest a tag like [DivineGish] or [DivGish] vs [ArcaneGish]/[ArcGish] to differentiate the different Gish types.
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    Could we get [ProgTem] (Progessive gain of template) for Prestige Classes?

    Also in the PrC area can you change the descriptions of the tags to say whether or not they increase caster level rather than spell levels.
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    Default Re: [Compendium] Discussion Thread

    I added the "progression" fix for casting. Good call.

    I think rather than add a [Tag] for templates, I think it would be a better idea to put templates in the Races/Templates thread. I realize that some will progress by level whereas other won't, but I think they should stay together. Perhaps this calls for a tag in the Template thread, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhvaughan View Post
    I added the "progression" fix for casting. Good call.

    I think rather than add a [Tag] for templates, I think it would be a better idea to put templates in the Races/Templates thread. I realize that some will progress by level whereas other won't, but I think they should stay together. Perhaps this calls for a tag in the Template thread, though...

    Announcement: I've added a [SS] tag to the Races/Templates thread, denoting "Savage Species," for those monster templates that advance by level.
    I was more meaning something like Dragon Disciple where you get Half-Dragon eventually rather than templates which increase by level.
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    Default Re: [Compendium] Discussion Thread

    Sure, though I can't imagine it's going to be a very popular [Tag]. We'll call it [Temp]. I'll go add it now.

    [Temp] - gain a template (usually as the capstone) of this PrC

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    Feat and Discipline threads added.

    Next on the list: spells. I'm looking for help with the tag system. So far I'm thinking:

    [Level] [Tag]

    Where [Tags] would include:
    Sorcerer/Wizard
    Cleric
    Ranger
    Druid
    Paladin
    Bard
    Psion
    Wu-Jen
    Artificer
    Arcane (is this necessary?)
    Divine (is this necessary?)
    Epic

    I know I'm missing a lot of non-SRD classes. Help me fill in the blanks, please.

    EDIT: Created spell thread. Help me plug in holes.
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    questions for the spell compendium:

    1. Should it include school tags like [Necro]?
    2. What about spells with different levels for different classes? Should we include both levels?

    Also, thank you for doing this

    Edit: I'm not bothering to ask for a Dread Necromancer tag, I don't think it'll be that common.

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    Default Re: [Compendium] Discussion Thread

    I liked how you handled differing levels. That's probably the easiest way.

    I'll add those three tags.

    As for schools, I think it'd start to get too cluttered. However, if you wanted to include it in the description, as in "a [Necro] spell that does x" or "a [Cold] spell that does y," I think it would be a good way to immediately tell people what they're looking at.

    Edit: I'm modifying the format somewhat to unclutter tags with multiple levels and tags. I would like them to be individually searchable, so let's put tag-level / tag-level / tag-level. There's an example in the spell thread. I'm also going to have the tags on the level ABOVE the spell description, since it's going to start getting really ugly with lots of tags.
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    For feat tags, might I suggest [Psionic] and [Tactical]?

    Also, I just posted my feats; it's not even all of them, and it's a massive wall. Would sticking them in a table maybe be better? It would certainly be easier to read.

    And I really think it'd be helpful to list prerequisites along with feats, though I can see how that could clutter things even more.

    EDIT: Reading comprehension fail, just saw the psionic tag.
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    Default Re: [Compendium] Discussion Thread

    [Tact] tag added for Tactical Feats. Thanks for the suggestion.

    If you want to try a table, you're welcome to it. It might indeed help with readability.

    I would want to avoid adding even more text by putting pre-requisites in--the point of the Compendium is to pique interest and provide a link. If they like the basic concept in the description, they'll follow the link and read the material and the discussion of its balance, etc.

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    Could we add a tag for each school for the spell compendium? My comtribution is a thread with multiple spells but they are all Wiz/Sorc Evocations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhvaughan View Post
    As for schools, I think it'd start to get too cluttered. However, if you wanted to include it in the description, as in "a [Necro] spell that does x" or "a [Cold] spell that does y," I think it would be a good way to immediately tell people what they're looking at.
    Still thinking the same way on this one. Include it in the description (an [Evocation] spell that does x") if it's that important, but I think it would take an already cluttered thread and make it worse to add yet another layer of tags.

    Edit: what I would suggest in your case is to list each spell in the Compendium, with all of the links going to the same place. Enough description to get people in the door, but not enough that they don't need to click through. That would be more useful than the redundant evocation tag.
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    Rightio, ill change it now.

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    Some people seem to be making up custom tags on spells, rather than just using [Other]. Just what I've observed.
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    Just started Invocations thread.

    Alright folks, I want to tackle the Systems/Subsystems thread next, but as I've never homebrewed a system or a subsystem, I could use some help with the [Tags].

    I was thinking:

    [System]
    - [d20] - Compatible with the d20 system
    - [3.5/PF] - Compatible with the 3.5 system (Pathfinder or Legend would be an example)
    - [4.0] - Compatible with the 4.0 system
    - [Fate] - Compatible with the Fate system
    - [Cortex] - Compatible with the Cortex system
    - [Exalted] - Compatible with the Exalted system
    - [NEW] - completely new way of doing things

    [Subsystem] (continue using the specific system tag next)
    - [Magic]
    - [Level] - the E6 system would be an example

    [World] - this would be a catch-all for worldbuilding, since those aren't necessarily system specific


    And I'm basically out of ideas at this point.

    Examples:

    [System][3.5]
    [System][NEW]

    [Subsystem][Fate][Magic]
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    Might also want a [Mundane] tag for non-magical subsystems. The example being:

    [Subsystem][3.5][Mundane] Tome of Battle: The Book of Nine Swords: Maneuvers and stances for martial characters.


    Similarly, a [Fix] tag could be useful, for subsystems that are intended as rewrites of an existing mechanic.

    [Subsystem][3.5][Fix] Truenaming: Words of power that aren't power words.



    Also, to prevent confusion, I think that we should establish rules on whether or not [Subsystem] materials would also be posted in other [Compendium] threads. My gut says no--if you need to read the entire subsystem in order to understand the base class, you shouldn't be linking to the base class without the subsystem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    Similarly, a [Fix] tag could be useful, for subsystems that are intended as rewrites of an existing mechanic.
    I was actually just thinking about recommending a [Fix] tag for the class compendiums (or really, I suppose, any/all of the other compendiums, too).
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    Something that just occurred to me... Perhaps you should request that people disable their signature for their posts in the compendium to keep the whole thing more neat and orderly? If you think it's a good idea, I'll gladly disable mine in my posts.
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    I didn't even realize you could selectively disable a signature. Yes, that's a fantastic idea! When I get home I'll edit all the posts to request it.

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