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    This competition is closed. Here are the final results:

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    1st Place|T.G. Oskar|Roland|Divine Mind of Heironeous 4/Cleric of Heironeous 3/Hospitaler 3/Fist of Raziel 10|19.5

    2nd Place|Andorax|Karania|Binder 6/Cleric 1/Knight of the Sacred Seal 4/ Knight of the Chalice 9|18.5

    3rd Place|The Underlord|Feradim|Divine Bard 8/(Divine Adaptation) Abjurant Champion 2/Skypledged 5/Sacred Exorcist 5|16.75

    4th Place|smasher0404|Buono|Cleric 6/Incarnate 2/Witch Hunter 2/Sapphire Hierarch 10|16

    5th Place|rot42|R. Sophie|Bard 7 / Fighter 1 / Sanctified One of Ehlonna 4 / Sublime Chord 1/ Abjurant Champion 5 / Eldritch Knight 2|15.75

    6th Place|Eskil|Kindhearted Heretic|Binder 15/Knight of the Sacred Seal 5|15.5

    7th Place|Andorax|Martis|Soulborn 7/Divine Crusader 5/Cavalier 8|15.25[/table]

    Welcome one and all to the seventh Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful ) builds.

    The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!

    For the seventh challenge get ready to ascend to the Seven Heavens for the PHB/SRD Paladin!

    Our challengers will have a little over 2 weeks to build a complete build from levels 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official 3.5 material (excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Paladin without actually using any levels in it.

    Entries must be submitted by Saturday, 11:59pm GMT, 1 September, 2012.

    Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;

    * Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
    * Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
    * Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
    * Fluff (How well the characters back-stories and classes mesh)
    * Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)

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    Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.

    Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use leadership, as we dont want to overfeed the judges.

    Entries should be submitted via private message to the chairman.

    Also it comes with double prize money.

    Previous challenges;
    1. Soulknife
    2. Bard
    3. Monk
    4. Assassin
    5. Barbarian
    6. Warlock


    A few administrative notes:

    This competition is inspired by the Playground Iron Chef Competitions and uses mostly identical rules.

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    Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. This comes up often enough to bear mention in the rules: Dragon Compendium is allowed.

    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.

    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
    Allez Sauciers!
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    So now you're claiming that spellcasting "lacks a clear, supernatural element?" Being supernatural is literally the only point of magic.

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    Is it recommended that the paladin's be lawful good?
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    Is it recommended that the paladin's be lawful good?
    I (as the chairman) posted the PHB version. So, while not speaking for the judges, I would strongly suggest so.
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    I changed my mind, can I judge this time?
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    I changed my mind, can I judge this time?
    Don't see why not. Of course, feel free to change your mind and enter if you feel inspired.
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    Hmm might have a few ideas for this one.
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    Hmm might have a few ideas for this one.
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    I sure hope so, Gilded Duke. Enjoy the cooking!
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    I think I'll take the judging role for this one
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    I am working on a build currently.
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    I'm presuming anyone is welcome to give this a go? I'm not the systems master of some of these good folks, but I have an idea in mind.
    Whadda ya mean, Orcs got levels too?

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    Please feel free, Andorax. As with IC, all competitors are open.
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    And we've got our first entry! Plenty of time for others. I look forward to seeing all the entries.
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    So I got a pm from a new competitor. My apologies for not making it clear - please submit entries via private message to myself as the chairman. Thanks
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    Default Re: Zinc Saucier 7: We're not Jedi, we just wish we were

    Sorry for the multi-post, but a day break in between posts is plenty time for a bump. Also, what kind of classes are you all interested in for next time? Another SRD prestige class? Base class from one of the completes? Let's get some suggestions.
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    I may enter. Or judge. Or get distracted and do neither. We'll see.

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    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post
    Hmmm...Smite Cleric of Sif with Good and War domains spring to mind. But she's couldn't be Lawful. Could use the "Tight Pantheon" rule to cherry-pick the best Asgardian features.
    'Tis generally considered bad form to discuss builds before the competition is over, much like over at Iron Chef.

    I'll probably end up judging this beast - criteria to be posted tomorrow, likely.

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    For new competition, a ToB class could be interesting. Would be fun to see how they would do it without using (much) ToB. Porbably not crusqader though, as it is similar to a paladin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Underlord View Post
    For new competition, a ToB class could be interesting. Would be fun to see how they would do it without using (much) ToB. Porbably not crusqader though, as it is similar to a paladin.
    Swordsage could be interesting. Specializing in different disciplines could lead to wildly different characters. Oh, the possibilities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    'Tis generally considered bad form to discuss builds before the competition is over, much like over at Iron Chef.

    I'll probably end up judging this beast - criteria to be posted tomorrow, likely.
    Tisk. Mea culpa. I don't even have access to my books at the moment.

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    Oh, hey, Marlowe. I was going to invite you and the rest of the crew to compete, I know how much you like to build characters.

    So a martial adept is desired. That of course means that the chairman will not present it as an option for about another 30 rounds or so, based on current IC acolyte of the skin, which has been requested forever.
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    Heh, would you believe I only just fully "built" Bethlen last week? Although I've had her together in my head for a lot longer.

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    Honestly, crusader is a bit obvious though for a paladin competition.
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    Obviousness exists only in the mind of the competitors and judges, as is not, in fact, one of the official judging categories, but probably falls under innovation as a subcategory.
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    How are the builds coming along, sauciers?
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    Powers been iffy at my house so I haven't made much progress.
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    Hello, sorry for my absense, things just got kinda crazy for a while, I probably don't have enough time to make a build but I will help judge.

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    Hey, motoko, welcome back. You still have a week left if you want to enter. I'll mark you as a judge if I don't see an entry.

    Update on the competition: We have one submitted entry so far, I think you will find it interesting...
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    It would be really cool to see how people would emulate a Wizard without taking any levels in it...

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