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    Could I ask for what you mean by "grim apotheosis" Jade?
    It's my final hyperbolic dig at Tebryn and VonDoom. By "grim apotheosis," I'm implying that they view Playground's foray into science fiction-fantasy as the rising of a dark god, a horrifying event of tremendous import. Really, their reasons for wanting to not play a game with space travel are exactly the same as my reason for wanting to do so in the first place - it does/doesn't sound fun - and they've been pretty civil about it. So the short answer is - I'm being goofy.
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    It's my final hyperbolic dig at Tebryn and VonDoom. By "grim apotheosis," I'm implying that they view Playground's foray into science fiction-fantasy as the rising of a dark god, a horrifying event of tremendous import. Really, their reasons for wanting to not play a game with space travel are exactly the same as my reason for wanting to do so in the first place - it does/doesn't sound fun - and they've been pretty civil about it. So the short answer is - I'm being goofy.
    I'm going to find a horde of beautiful gun hating elves for you. And probably keep a few for myself.

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    Final Fantasy-ish sounds fun. The twelve year old in me would be ecstatic.

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    I'd be up for an "anything goes" setting. Expect absurdity.
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    This is totally nothing to do with the game, but your Avatar is amazing.
    Thank you, but it is not very good. It is old PIXIVFantasia event last year. Because it became halloween avatar time, but I don't know what to do, so using until a good idea can be decided.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jade_Tarem View Post
    As an alternative to all of the above, have we considered the ultra-high fantasy, such as the later versions of Final Fantasy? Before people get their undies in a twist, it wouldn't be Final Fantasy, just a reflection of that style of setting - magic is everywhere, even more accessible than in, say, Eberron. Magical constructs and items are abundant, as is heavier-than-air airship travel. Most technology up to and including guns can be justified somehow. There is no space travel.

    I suggest this simply because it seems to meet everyone's use cases:

    1. No Space Travel
    2. Haven't done it before in Playground
    3. Still General Fantasy
    4. Guns and other tech allowed
    5. Not really punk
    6. Fast Travel Available (We can even have a bullet train or something)
    7. Can centralize in one City of Adventure
    8. Lots and lots and lots of character options. Anything is available.
    9. The game doesn't undergo a grim apotheosis into booooring sci-fi
    10. We can have a castle in the sky.
    11. The cheese stands alone.

    How does this sound?

    I would also be willing to play in the Indie-Bastion universe. Dibs on Mancer.

    It seems it is desired to play Alshard ff. I don't mind, it is nostalgic.

    What does [The cheese stands alone] mean?
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    What does [The cheese stands alone] mean?
    It's a line from a children's song from the United States. It's called The Farmer and the Dell.
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    Well, it's early, I gotta get to work soon, but I am curious about one thing:
    What's Alshard FF?


    And ... 'which Final Fantasy'-esque are we talking about? 'cuz 7 had a very Punk-y (6 - Steam, 7 - err ... Materia-Punk?) feel to it and 6 featured Steam technology very prominently.


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    Well, it's early, I gotta get to work soon, but I am curious about one thing:
    What's Alshard FF?


    And ... 'which Final Fantasy'-esque are we talking about? 'cuz 7 had a very Punk-y (6 - Steam, 7 - err ... Materia-Punk?) feel to it and 6 featured Steam technology very prominently.
    Diesel Punk is the one you're looking for with 7.

    But back on track, I think Jade's referring to FF IX-XIII. You know, abundant sources of magical energy from...because. Floating cities, airships as aerodynamic as a baleen whale that still fly, guns that fire magical bullets that apparently hurt as much as a knife.

    But seriously, I'd be down. Not my favorite setting, but I can cope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkDM View Post
    Diesel Punk is the one you're looking for with 7.

    But back on track, I think Jade's referring to FF IX-XIII. You know, abundant sources of magical energy from...because. Floating cities, airships as aerodynamic as a baleen whale that still fly, guns that fire magical bullets that apparently hurt as much as a knife.

    But seriously, I'd be down. Not my favorite setting, but I can cope.
    I'm still really feeling dieselpunk (with or without magic) Mostly because thinking of all the great media present in that sphere (from Indiana Jones to Castle in the Sky) has gotten me really excited.

    But yeah, up for anything.
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    I'm still really feeling dieselpunk (with or without magic) Mostly because thinking of all the great media present in that sphere (from Indiana Jones to Castle in the Sky) has gotten me really excited.

    But yeah, up for anything.
    My god, Xon, you and me having similar stylistic preferences? STOP THE DAMN PRESSES.

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    I'm still really feeling dieselpunk (with or without magic) Mostly because thinking of all the great media present in that sphere (from Indiana Jones to Castle in the Sky) has gotten me really excited.

    But yeah, up for anything.
    I am totally cool with low-magic Dieselpunk, by the way. Doesn't hurt that I've always secretly wanted to play Nikola Tesla in a game.

    Not really into the later FF games, but I'll live.
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    If this is going to be Playground Final Fantasy style...

    ...

    can...

    ...can I be Kefka? :'D That or Jecht, or Ultamecia, or Gabranth, but mostly Jecht.
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    If this is going to be Playground Final Fantasy style...

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    can...

    ...can I be Kefka? :'D That or Jecht, or Ultamecia, or Gabranth, but mostly Jecht.
    ******* bad father Jecht, or demon Jecht?

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    I'll be Kefka. And also running the Shinra Corporation.

    But I could go for a FF7-esque feel, if that's what Diesel Punk is. Haven't played most of the newer games that are all 'sort of the same setting'. Newest one I played was 10, which had a lot of annoyances. By which I mostly mean Tidus, Blitzball and Wakka, in that order, because Wakka at least didn't have a whiny voice in the US version.

    (I found the Japanese voice track much more agreeable, though the character design of Tidus itself and the whole Blitzball thing ... eh.)

    I'll give you that Jecht was awesome, though. All the more because he was always mocking Tidus for being a whiny brat.
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    After reading up on it, Diesel Punk appears to include Indiana Jones and Final Fantasy 7 (Actually, I can't see that it does include FF7) only because it is very, very loosely defined. As far as I can tell it's just Steampunk but with gas motors. Am I wrong about that?

    If that's true, I'm wondering if the current Dishonored craze has anything to do with that - and you should consider what will happen when that craze dies down. Are you still going to love it in December?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade_Tarem View Post
    After reading up on it, Diesel Punk appears to include Indiana Jones and Final Fantasy 7 (Actually, I can't see that it does include FF7) only because it is very, very loosely defined. As far as I can tell it's just Steampunk but with gas motors. Am I wrong about that?

    If that's true, I'm wondering if the current Dishonored craze has anything to do with that - and you should consider what will happen when that craze dies down. Are you still going to love it in December?
    Barely heard anything about Dishonored. And because I love the film, I'm going to once more bring up Castle in the Sky as a paragon of diesel punk.

    The difference other than gas motors, is that dieselpunk get's it's flavor from the roaring twenties to world war II. Giving it a distinctly different feel from steampunk's 19th century.
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    Yeah, Dark and I were talking about this on AIM. The Aesthetic and base tech come from 1918-1939. FMA, as it turns out, would also qualify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade_Tarem View Post
    Yeah, Dark and I were talking about this on AIM. The Aesthetic and base tech come from 1918-1939. FMA, as it turns out, would also qualify.

    I could do this. It's not my first choice but I won't start a fight over it.
    Speaking of AIM, I created an account a while back and have so far only used it whenever Starsign had a question.

    We should probably get a list going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade_Tarem View Post
    After reading up on it, Diesel Punk appears to include Indiana Jones and Final Fantasy 7 (Actually, I can't see that it does include FF7) only because it is very, very loosely defined. As far as I can tell it's just Steampunk but with gas motors. Am I wrong about that?

    If that's true, I'm wondering if the current Dishonored craze has anything to do with that - and you should consider what will happen when that craze dies down. Are you still going to love it in December?
    Ah, then let me as the first to propose it clarify. Where steampunk roots itself in the Victorian period - Empire, Manifest Destiny, war as something of a gung-ho endeavor, all that jazz - dieselpunk roots itself in the roaring 20's and the depression era. Radio and telephones are a thing, jazz is in vogue, fedoras everywhere, and the rapidly expanding technology is contrasted with spreading industrial poverty. War is a very real and understood threat, and legitimate firearms are commonplace. Perhaps most importantly, while magic can exist, it is very rarely friendly (see: Lovecraft, Raiders of the Lost Arc, Fullmetal Alchemist, Final Fantasy 7).

    Of course, we can adjust any of that, but those are the broad strokes.

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    Ha! Your mind will be blown concerning my AIM name:

    Jadetarem - spelled exactly like that.
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    Hmm. Dark, serious question for you. I can't entirely follow your train of thought on two of your 'unfriendly magic' examples and am wondering as to your perspective since I might well have missed something.

    How was FF7 magic unfriendly, besides the fact that people were abusing the hell out of it and draining the planet as a result?

    The alchemy of Fullmetal Alchemist didn't seem particularly unfriendly, either. It only screws with people who arrogantly break its widely known taboos or are too unskilled to do what they're trying to do and cause Rebound. It was just that a lot of people who used it were evil as hell.


    My AIM is lokioathbreaker, same as it always was. I'm not online that often lately, but I can make an effort to remember to turn it on, if people want to talk. Though I generally prefer game and theme-related discussions in-thread, since that way it's open to other ideas and feedback.
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    I don't have Aim...

    Also, considering I like Jecht with the sword (specifically from Dissidia), it would most likely be bad father Jecht.
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    I don't have Aim...

    Also, considering I like Jecht with the sword (specifically from Dissidia), it would most likely be bad father Jecht.
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    Hmm. Dark, serious question for you. I can't entirely follow your train of thought on two of your 'unfriendly magic' examples and am wondering as to your perspective since I might well have missed something.

    How was FF7 magic unfriendly, besides the fact that people were abusing the hell out of it and draining the planet as a result?

    The alchemy of Fullmetal Alchemist didn't seem particularly unfriendly, either. It only screws with people who arrogantly break its widely known taboos or are too unskilled to do what they're trying to do and cause Rebound. It was just that a lot of people who used it were evil as hell.


    My AIM is lokioathbreaker, same as it always was. I'm not online that often lately, but I can make an effort to remember to turn it on, if people want to talk. Though I generally prefer game and theme-related discussions in-thread, since that way it's open to other ideas and feedback.
    I'll admit, my familiarity with FF7 is somewhat tangential, but I was thinking of the fact that materia was both draining the planet and the fact that the Weapons were released in an attempt to curb its consumption. Perhaps less overtly unfriendly, and more willing to react with lethal force when overused. Which is pretty much the same train of thought I had with FMA - while day to day it's fine, try and do too much and the gate will eat your soul. Again, not unfriendly day to day, but not something you want to mess with beyond proscribed limits.

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    Ahh, I see. That makes sense. It was just that compared to Lovecraft, they seemed odd examples to specifically point out.

    I had also forgotten about WEAPON, so I suppose overusing the Lifestream does have serious repercussions beyond climate changes and a slow death of the world. Super-powerful killer monsters are an immediately bad thing.


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    Not that hard to make an account.
    Can't seem to find you, Xon...

    And, to back up a bit, Jade's point about Dishonored is not without merit. My suggesting diesel punk was somewhat inspired by it, but I think the genre is broad enough to accommodate everyone.

    And listen to that theme song...

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    I don't think Xon is online at the moment; I added him on my cellphone, but he's not there.

    That said, Dark, I don't recall -- did you ever add me? Not seeing you on my list.

    Hmm. If we go with this diesel punk thing, I may seriously go for some sort of big evil company thing. But probably without insane clowns.


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    I don't think Xon is online at the moment; I added him on my cellphone, but he's not there.

    That said, Dark, I don't recall -- did you ever add me? Not seeing you on my list.

    Hmm. If we go with this diesel punk thing, I may seriously go for some sort of big evil company thing. But probably without insane clowns.
    I should be. Sending you a message now to check.
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    Can't seem to find you, Xon...

    And, to back up a bit, Jade's point about Dishonored is not without merit. My suggesting diesel punk was somewhat inspired by it, but I think the genre is broad enough to accommodate everyone.

    And listen to that theme song...
    'Dat theme... Oh man, I like that.

    Also, don't you bloody fools have Skype or something? I really don't wanna have to download AIM...
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