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Thread: Quantum Stealth
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2012-12-15, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Quantum Stealth
So... invisibility.
It's either a very elaborate hoax or it's really close to actually being a thing. That sounds big, doesn't it?
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2012-12-15, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
I'm guessing it's a hoax. Especially since there's other companies trying get the same result and haven't quite gotten there.
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2012-12-16, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-16, 01:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-16, 01:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-16, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
True invisibility comes with a whole host of problems with with a compete inability to see without having to sacrifice some of that invisibility to have even the slightest hope of seeing.
A specialized stealth is the way to go with an auto defence system that hurts those that gets within range to be able to have any hope of seeing the user.
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2012-12-16, 01:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
I really don't think I have to. Look at the second picture they have in that link. Where is the ladies legs? You can see them in the first picture but they're not there in the second and the patch of fabric covering her body doesn't extend past her stomach. How does that happen exactly?
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2012-12-16, 02:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-16, 02:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-16, 03:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-16, 03:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
We've already got ways to remain unseen, most of which already involve "wear the same color as the background and hold still". This doesn't seem like much of a game-changer to me. Granted, I am a civilian who hasn't so much as fired a gun, so what do I know?
Even if it is big, conventional warfare still cowers in the shadow of nuclear weapons (it needs to be controlled/restricted when nuclear states are involved, lest anyone get scared enough to launch). So I don't see even a "perfect" invisibility having much impact on a global scale.
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2012-12-16, 03:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-16, 03:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
Sadly untrue, to Alfred Nobel's lasting regret. Nukes mean it won't turn into an all out war anymore, but they don't mean that people aren't getting killed on the ground all over the place.
Anyway, I think the importance of this thing hinges a lot on how it works when someone is moving. If it only works when you're standing still, it's a minimal upgrade from just wearing good camo. If it can blend while moving then it has the potential to change how special forces conduct operations.
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2012-12-16, 03:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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The only word that the U.S. and Canadian militaries are interested in this comes from the company itself. And none of the people who write about it have personally seen it in action. The original articles came out 18 months ago, and all the new articles in the past few days repeat the same information and use the same mockups.
Yeah, this is a PR stunt. It looks like the company does legitimate business with standard camouflage patterns, but if they really were onto something with this level of breakthrough, they wouldn't need to try pumping up interest in the press if they had the kinds of show-and-tell sessions with the military that they claim.I have my own TV show featuring local musicians performing live. YouTube page with full episodes and outtake clips here.
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2012-12-19, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also there is no way within physics that a flat sheet - called out as a passive system - could manage that sort of selective invisibility. You could get a similar effect with a camera behind them and the sheet being a video screen, but that would impress no-one.
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2012-12-19, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
Thats not true. Infact it has already been done for some wavelengths.Work is being done on meta materials might be able to do it, but just not yet.
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2012-12-19, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
We can do it on a microwave level by bending the EM radiation around the target using yes, meta-materials, but there is a whole host of problems for getting it to work on the visible wavelengths. A flat sheet that bent light around itself would show the girl on the other side, no?
I call hoax. Even if it's an active camouflage* system and she has a camera mounted on her back, there is very little quantum about that besides the workings of a charge coupled device.
*which it explicitly is not supposed to be.Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2012-12-19 at 07:40 PM.
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2012-12-19, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
I'm aware of the basics of invisibility research. A flat sheet like that could not produce that effect. It's theoretically possible to have an enclosed shape in which everything inside it is invisible, and that's what's being worked on. A flat sheet that will detect and reove the image of a person but leave everything else? Only possible with computer-powered active camouflage, and I don't think visual object recognition algorithms are that good yet either.
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2012-12-19, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
Even as a hoax, how exactly is this "quantum"?
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2012-12-22, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-22, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Quantum Stealth
The point about a quantum change as a metaphor, at least originally, is not that it is a great change, but that it is seemingly out of the blue, referring to how electrons change orbits, basically teleporting, and other cases of quantum 'spooky action at a distance'.
That being said, this is <expletive redacted/> . They are either lying how it is supposed to work, or grossly exaggerating, at best, what is been done.