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    Firbolg in the Playground
     
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    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XL. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. This comes up often enough to bear mention in the rules: Dragon Compendium is allowed.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, December 15th, 2012 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Amphetryon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, January 5th, 2013 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Complete Adventurer's Nightsong Infiltrator!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

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    FAQ:
    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes, but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Amphetryon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    I can't help but notice the extra time the judges get this round. What gives? With the holiday season and end of the semester and year upon us, it's often been difficult to have judges find the time to finish in 2 weeks in December. By contrast, feedback from contestants on the nature of their creative process is that it's often a single, massive outpouring of inspiration, which extra time may not benefit and (in some cases) may hinder due to the pernicious nature of hindsight. That said, if folks would prefer the extra time be split evenly between contest deadline and judging deadline, I'll take it under advisement.
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    this class is amazingly lackluster. I'm in to cook
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    What's the ruling on LA adjustment? Normal deduction for elegance, or disallowed?

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    Aww, I was kind of hoping for the ingredient this time to be something that made a pun with the Roman numeral "XL" = "extra-large."
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    Hmm... Nightsong Infiltrator... I'd like to say I'm entering to cook, although I said that about Tactical Soldier, too, without ever managing to come up with something worthwhile.

    If I don't come up with anything decent, I'll judge this round, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by RFLS View Post
    What's the ruling on LA adjustment? Normal deduction for elegance, or disallowed?
    I don't recall ever seeing a judge penalize LA in elegance, unless it's something particularly cheesy. Quite a few top builds have had level adjustments.

    LA buyoff, on the other hand, is kind of hit or miss. My experience is that most judges will penalize you in elegance for assuming it, but every now and then you'll get a judge who will penalize you in power for NOT using it. My typical approach is to not use LA buyoff in the build itself, but include an "adaptations" section or something similar where I mention that if it's allowed, the build should instead go this way.
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    In my experience the LA level is a bitch to work in the table...
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    Whoo-hoo! I have this book.

    And, I think I have an apron around here somewhere. I'll cook up a build this round.

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    what is the ruling on our HiPS?

    it's cited against ranger hips, but since we're supposed to be urban thieves skulking around cities and the like, I don't see much opportunity to use it. are we using the RAW by natural terrain, or shadow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venger View Post
    what is the ruling on our HiPS?

    it's cited against ranger hips, but since we're supposed to be urban thieves skulking around cities and the like, I don't see much opportunity to use it. are we using the RAW by natural terrain, or shadow?
    It specifies natural terrain, and says to see the Ranger Class feature. That seems the clear reading.
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    I'd like to get some clarification on Teamwork Sneak Attack but I wasn't sure if this counted as speculation.

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    Originally Posted by Nightsong Infiltrator
    Any ally of the infiltrator who is also flanking the infiltrator's opponent deals this extra damage as well. [...] If a nightsong infiltrator or her ally gets a sneak attack bonus from another source (such as levels of rogue), the bonuses on damage stack.
    Player A is a Rogue 10/Nightsong Infiltrator 10 with Craven, Crippling Strike, and a Deadly Precision Weapon. Total Sneak Attack damage would be:

    5d6 (Rogue levels)
    2d6 (Nightsong Infiltrator)
    1d6 (Deadly Precision)
    +20 (Craven)
    2 Str damage (Crippling Strike)

    Player A is flanking a target with Player B. How much Sneak Attack damage does this ability give to Player B?

    I can see in the second bolded part what I think the intent was (Player B only gets the 2d6 from Nightsong Infiltrator, plus any sneak attack Player B may have already)... however, the wording is ambiguous. Does Player B get *all* the bonus damage from Player A and Player B combined? If so, doesn't Player A get all of Player B's extra sneak attack damage as well?
    Player B only gets the 2d6 from Nightsong Infiltrator, plus any sneak attack Player B may have already. Any other reading appears deliberately degenerate to gain an advantage beyond the scope of the apparent design intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draz74 View Post
    Aww, I was kind of hoping for the ingredient this time to be something that made a pun with the Roman numeral "XL" = "extra-large."
    That would have been pretty awesome, but what ingredients would have worked with that? War Hulk? Is there something from BoVD that uses the Deformity: Obesity flaw?

    Anyway, I'm quite happy to see something from a book I own. Brainstorming, let's see if I can't enter this time around... if I can't, suppose I wouldn't mind judging again.
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    I have a hare-brained idea. Maybe it will actually pan out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dark Fiddler View Post
    That would have been pretty awesome, but what ingredients would have worked with that? War Hulk? Is there something from BoVD that uses the Deformity: Obesity flaw?

    Anyway, I'm quite happy to see something from a book I own. Brainstorming, let's see if I can't enter this time around... if I can't, suppose I wouldn't mind judging again.
    I once saw a TO build that got something like Colossal+++++++ size with the Obesity flaw, and I think was a Ninja, but I can't remember where atm.

    On a side note, I may have an idea.

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    I've spent pretty much all day building, only to realize that the feature I was attempting to exploit just isn't worth the amount of potential power I was sacrificing to get it.

    I'll post my ideas at the end, but for now I think I'm going to stick to observing, maybe judging.
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    My idea is coming along quite nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazyan View Post
    I have a hare-brained idea. Maybe it will actually pan out.
    Bonus points if it it's an anthropomorphic rabbit (this isn't real speculation, I just can't help a good pun).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFLS View Post
    Bonus points if it it's an anthropomorphic rabbit (this isn't real speculation, I just can't help a good pun).
    Let us know if you ever come across one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Let us know if you ever come across one.
    Oh snap!

    I'll judge this one, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Let us know if you ever come across one.
    Ha!

    (And apparently that message is too short so...here's me lengthening it.)

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    Ironically enough Dark Lantern from Five Nations gives pretty much the same bonuses, and is a LOT easier to get into.
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    Almost done with my entry, just need to finish polishing a few things and type the backstory
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSerpent View Post
    Ironically enough Dark Lantern from Five Nations gives pretty much the same bonuses, and is a LOT easier to get into.
    Hence why it's not our Secret Ingredient this round .
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    I'd like to join in. I'm a bit new, do I just post here that I'm in and get the build to Amphetryon before time's up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDanger View Post
    I'd like to join in. I'm a bit new, do I just post here that I'm in and get the build to Amphetryon before time's up?
    Pretty much, yep. We've even had unannounced competitors surprise the Chairman's inbox.
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    I'm back for this one. I have an idea that I think I can make horribly, horribly broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter Killer View Post
    I'm back for this one. I have an idea that I think I can make horribly, horribly broken.
    This I have to see, Nightsong Infiltrator isn't a bad class per se; and there are some nifty things you can do with it; but it becoming broken? I certainly have my doubts.
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    Group Sneak Attack. Is the ally bonus granted only when NI is flanking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDanger View Post
    Group Sneak Attack. Is the ally bonus granted only when NI is flanking?
    I'm sorry, I didn't parse that. Rephrase?
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    I had a pretty cool idea, but just couldn't get it to come together properly. But, like a phoenix rising from the ashes, this led to a related idea that is way cooler, and seems to be coming together perfectly! I definitely think I'll be submitting an entry this round...
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