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    Default The World of Aldain - Immersive! Inspiring! In...need of your help!

    The World of Aldain is a project I've been working on for the better part of 14 years. The world has star charts, histories, cultures, languages, and evolutionary histories on how both magical and non-magical creatures and races came to exist. The entire world has been used for several campaigns, short stories, and the novel I am currently working on. It is immense, and I cannot hope to bring all the elements of this world to light on this thread, but I can show the basic elements and properties. Not only that, but I need a fresh pair of eyes to assist me in brainstorming ideas the forces that make up the worlds unique functions.

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    Welknair, Veklim, WaylanderX, SamBurke, 3SecondCultist, SilverBit, Frathe, Salbazier, DracoDei, LPlate, Amidus Drexel, OhMyGodImOnFire, Dr Bwaa and several non-forum individuals.

    Thank you all for your contributions, advice and critiques!


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    Magic: The Stuff of Sentience | Fate: The Fabric of Physics | Luck: The Basis of Biology




    The World of Aldain

    Crucial to the make up of this world are three basic forces that make up this world, and the races that are connected to them. Magic. Fate. And Luck.

    Magic = Sentience, Perception, and Belief
    Fate = Physics, the Elements, and Foresight
    Luck = Biology, Adaption, and Evolution

    The three forces all cycle into which is in power, as seasons might, though these cycles take much more time than a year to do so. Each transition to a different force marks the start of a new age. Naturally, an age is estimated to be about 500 years, though events can interrupt or extend the period of a cycle as well. When one force is in power, the other two are passive, diminishing or increasing the powers of the races attuned to them respectively.

    Think of Luck and Fate as two halves of a battery. Not the positive and negative sides, split the battery right down the middle length-wise. Both halves have the four elements - Fire, Earth, Wind and Water. In fate - we have the elements as individuals working as a whole to create the way things work, a place for life to be able to be, and so on. Then the other half you have the four elements as one cohesive combination, resulting in various forms and walks of life. Both halves have a positive and negative side, as a battery would. Fate's are known as the radicals which represent two sides of a reaction - Hot and Cold, Motion and Stillness, Light and Dark. With Luck, its life and death. Neither positive nor negative are bad, as they are both necessary to the benefit of the overall world. Magic is the stuff inside the battery; the latent energy is derived from the other two's existence.

    The three forces interact naturally with each other, complementing or contradicting each other in various ways. Each force has one race that it is attuned to, and so these specific races are able to manipulate and use the forces. Some products of these powers have similar results, and some very unique. Magic interacts well with both Luck and Fate, but Fate and Luck don't mix well together on a power relation. A Luck user cannot make the ground move or create anything inanimate, just as a Fate user cannot directly affect the contents of a living thing.

    Meanwhile, Magic bends reality, so can effect both. In a way, Magic cannot exist without the existence of both Luck and Fate, because it is a product of the two.
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    The Ancients - The Wielders of Magic

    Ancients have “the spark”, which gives them the ability to affect reality through magic. In other words, every sentient creature has the power of belief, but only the Ancients can affect reality with that belief. That power to affect reality is what we call ‘Magic’.

    Ancient Characteristics:

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    The Ancient race is one of the three founding races in Aldain. They are often referred to by the Elvori as "True Men", as they are the ancestors (at least partially) of the "Hewn men", the race that was born through the coupling of the Ancients and the Elvori. The Ancients used to be one of the leading populace until civil wars and crossbreeding with other races nearly wiped out the race completely. There are currently only a known handful of them left (between one and two hundred).

    Ancients do not have a written or spoken language. They communicate by memories. This means when communicating a recount of a recent memory, an Ancient need only transfer the memory to do so. Other more complex things can be communicated through senses, feelings, memories of objects, and even emotions. The Ancients with this ability can sense other Ancients' minds in a close proximity, and custom dictates permission must be asked before one talks to (or rather enters the mind of) another Ancient. A connection can be blocked off at either end in a communication at any time. Connections can be maintained once started over a long distance, but the farther from someone is the more energy it takes to send information. It takes minimal amounts of energy to communicate to someone you are in contact with or in the close vicinity of. Additionally, sleep or unconsciousness ends the link.

    The only exception to this rule is in the connections that the Ancients have with their animal companions, called “Creatures of the Bond”. These connections are a sacred bond that each Ancient shares with his or her respective animal, and he or she can communicate over a much longer distance than ancient to ancient. The connection between an Ancient and his or her creature is very similar to the normal connection between two ancients, save that it is more powerful.

    Female Ancients have cats of prey like lions, panthers, cougars, jaguars, tigers, and more, while male Ancients have birds of prey, such as eagles, hawks, owls, falcons, and so on. These creatures are sentient companions to these specific genders, though in extremely rare occurrences an Ancient has taken a creature of his or her opposing gender's type. In general, mental bonds with a creature can be disrupted by an external party and can even be magically blocked for a time if one is committed to the task. However, the Ancient-Creature Bond cannot be severed by anything but death.

    The Broken Bond – An Ancient that has lost its Creature of the Bond, or a Creature that has lost its Ancient, will never be able to reforge this connection with another. This separation, if left to its own devices, can cause the remaining member of the bond to go mad. To counteract this, most Ancients who have a broken bond are tasked with becoming teachers. Teachers generally train other Ancients in casting, or other tasks in which they are often in contact with other minds, to prevent madness. More information on Magical Education can be found below.


    Magic

    Magic is a power that functions through belief. It is a tool. It is neither good nor evil, just as an axe can be used to chop down a tree or to kill another. Originally, all peoples believed in magic. When the Ancients existed as a complete race, it was common knowledge that magic existed, and so all believed in it. Now that the Ancients have all but died off, people inherently want to believe in the fantastic, but do not see magic as fact. Therefore, the amount of power of a spell correlates to the amount of belief: the belief of the one casting, and the belief of others that witness or are directly involved in the spell. This causes a phenomenon where a witness directly influences a caster's effectiveness in casting, while the caster influences a witness's ability to percieve. The result of this interaction is a precarious balance of perceptional dominance between the caster and the witness.

    The caster is essentially the "igniter" of an effect. Without a caster's spark, belief is just a pile of kindling. To create a spell, a caster uses two different forms of energy to fuel a desired effect. The first type of energy is their own internal energy. This energy is made up of the life force of the caster. As a caster ages, he or she is able to use less of that life force to cast the same thing - similar to how a stronger individual might use less energy to lift heavy things. In fact, the consumption of energy used to lift an object physically is no different than the consumption of energy to cast a spell. The second type of energy is external, and taken from belief – other sentients.

    There are three forms of magic that make up the spectrum of which magic is used: Visual, Mental, and Physical magic. Visual magic draws from internal lightly and external belief heavily, mental magic draws from internal belief and external belief equally, and physical magic draws from internal belief heavily and external belief lightly. A caster can only use one of these three forms of magic; however, this is based on long tradition and strong belief that use of multiple forms is impossible rather than on the laws of nature."

    Visual Magic
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    Visual Magic is forcibly manifesting your beliefs into an observable phenomenon. Maintaining such a phenomenon draws on a caster's energy. Once the illusion is formed, it draws on the belief of any who observe it to become temporarily real. Because visual magic takes advantage of both internal and external magic, it is often refered to as the most versatile of all three schools of magic. However, it is limited by the fact that visual magic is only temporary - the more powerful a caster is, the longer he or she is capable of maintaining a visual spell, but no visual spell can last forever, not even during an age of Magic. Different strengths of spells have different time limitations, so casters must be aware of these constraints so as not to be relying on the spell when its effect ends.

    Unobserved, a visual caster could only cast small spells based on his or her own belief. A spell stops drawing on the energy of the caster when it stabilizes into reality through the belief of an audience. If a caster tries to push too far into conjuring a spell that is not wholly believed, he or she could expend his or her energy quickly and become exhausted. The more believable a spell is, the less energy it takes to cast.

    It is easier for an illusion to be cast in a place that this item would characteristically be. An example: One could create the illusion of a cactus in the water, but it would be significantly more accepted by a witness if it were in a sandy area. Other conditions might factor into this as well, such as climate or surrounding area. Some casters use a material aid such as a sketchbook or notebook to assist them in visualizing all the elements of the spell, or visual aids that would assist in convincing a viewer of the spell.


    Mental Magic
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    Mental Magic is used to forcibly affect the perception of another person. This can be as subtle as observing the perceptions of another person, or more powerful uses could include manipulating the thoughts of an individual, inserting false memories, and forcibly controlling a person. This can extend to encouraging certain emotions in a person or even cause someone to fall asleep or wake. This form of magic can be very effective for individual people, but not as effective for a group of people, unless a leadership role is manipulated to act upon a group, such as making a king decree orders. A material aid of mental magic could be a caster disguising them self as a person of higher status. Some casters use a specific gesture or phrase to assist in focusing the spell, such as pointing at ones temples or saying the phrase “would you kindly”. Some casters prefer to use a personal trinket of some sort such as a pendent or spinning top, to both assist esteem in the caster and focus the subject of the spell into one thought.


    Physical Magic
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    Physical Magic is to alter your perception of an object (and thus, the object) directly in your field of view. This could be the size of the object, or even the composition. However, this process expends a great amount of energy, and the denser the material, the more time and energy is needed to cast. Physical magic is different from either of the other schools. Since it mainly requires the caster's belief to operate, physical magic relies almost exclusively upon what the caster is able to create. Because the target is inanimate, changes made to an object by physical magic are almost always permanent. Since changing the object means altering one's perceptions of an object, a caster must trick themselves into believing it is already something it really isn't yet. Often mind tricks assist in this process, such as covering one eye to lose depth perception or to close both after studying an object and picture it as the desired size.

    In changing the composition of an object, a caster would often have the material they wished to change an object to handy to assist in the casting process. Then both objects can be studied for the spell. Additionally, due to the Third Barrier (see below in the barriers section), it is rare that an object is changed into something that is not of a similar composition or has a relation. An example of an item that is not of similar composition, but has a relation is water to ice. Due to the limitations of this magic, only still or contained liquids can be affected by a spell, as the subject must remain in the field of view. Healing would also fall into this form of magic. It should be noted that, unlike visual magic, the effects of physical spells have no duration. The changed object remains that way until it is changed again with another physical spell.
    (Writer’s note: With physical magic, the objects are sent to/pulled from The Ulterior Realm)


    Spells have 3 basic stages:

    1. Drawing Stage: Caster decides the who, what, where, when, why of the spell. This is the period a spell is planned and crafted. The quality of belief (interior) is determined at this time.

    2. Casting Stage: This is the period where the spell is actually cast. During this period, the subject of the spell begins taking on the desired effect, whether this be an illusion, person, or object. The quality of belief (exterior), when applicable, is determined at this time. The spell begins drawing on the energy of the caster at this time.

    3. Stabilizing Stage: The spell is completed or dispelled. Concentration and the quality of belief of the spell determine whether a spell stabilizes or not. Once the spell stabilizes, it no longer draws on the caster's energy or an observers belief.

    A caster must overcome several basic Barriers in order to successfully cast a spell:
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    Barrier 1: Conception-
    First, a caster must believe that he or she can cast. Once this is accomplished, a caster is only as powerful as how much he or she believes can be personally achieved. As one grows in knowledge and experience, one grows more confident in his or her abilities. Some casters will have an advantage to this based on their own creativity.

    Barrier 2: Comprehension -
    People can only believe in the unbelievable until Alderic's Cusp (the point at which the suspension of disbelief collapses). People inherently want to believe in the fantastic, and that is why magic CAN exist, but still, there are some rules that people believe to be true, such as gravity. It is very hard to break these truths without heavily convincing the audience of the act. In this way, it is very difficult to get the subject of mental magic to kill his mother (unless he already harbored a disliking). Often, a subject's intelligence and knowledge influences how much that subject believes a certain spell, especially in specialized areas such as a job class. Further, the more familiar a subject or witness is with a spell may find the occurrence more or less believable as a reality. The mechanics of magic are kept from common knowledge, otherwise magic would never be more than an illusion. "A magician never reveals his secrets."

    A small audience that believes in your casting is much better than a large one that is partially convinced. As a result, the more convinced an audience is, the easier it is to cast. The more people that witness the act, the more convincing the illusion needs to be. It should be noted that most observers take what they see for granted, and so objects that are peripherally observed are often automatically accepted to be real.

    Barrier 3: Concentration-
    Magic automatically sides with the caster's intentions so long as he or she concentrates on the spell before it "stabilizes". If events cause the caster to lose concentration or become distracted, the spell becomes distorted. From this, the spell has two options. The first is that it collapses and has no ill effect other than the dissipation of the spell. The other option is that the spell's intention could spread to that of a witness. To explain, say a caster wanted to fly, so he or she projects the image of them flying over a few people in order to do so. However, the caster then becomes distracted by something, lowering the quality of the illusion. A witness to the illusion looks up and thinks the image is falling, and even calls attention to it. The caster then gets transported into the air like he or she intended, but then plummets to the ground. If the caster did not keep his or her illusion low to the ground, this blundered spell could be the last that caster casts. For mental magic, distorted spells could damage or even backfire on the caster as the subject's mind rejects the spell. In physical magic, distorted spells could make the object take on an undesired and random quality.


    Despite these barriers, there are circumstances where these limitations might be surpassed. Casters who are in a state of heightened urgency or emotion, such as in sudden defense of a loved one or when in a rage, become totally engrossed in the task at hand and subsequently forget their limitations. This task often uses much more effort and magic than the task requires and so when the event concludes it leaves the caster vulnerable and exhausted. If a caster is sure of death as the only outcome to the situation, a caster might willingly use a lethal amount of magic for a desired effect and then perish upon completion of the task.

    A delusional or mad caster is another example of a caster that might surpass certain barriers. Casters who lack sanity lack reason, and nonexclusively projects their own personal reality. This is a terrifying concept in theory, but it should be remembered that the insane still have an interpretation of reality, just not one that is cohesive to the actual one. So, while one may seem to have no limits in his or her power, a delusional caster is often more limited than the normal caster is. These limitations may not even make sense. An example of this might be that an insane caster can only cast on Tuesdays, or refuses to affect anything that is the color blue. These casters should always be met with caution, as they are vastly unpredictable.

    Magical Formula:
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    Power = [Interior Belief (Capacity + Experience) + Exterior Belief (quantity of viewers and/or Quality of Belief from viewer)] x Quantity of Casters

    Quality of Belief (Interior) = (Execution) + (Capacity) + (Material Aids)
    Quality of Belief (Exterior) = (Execution) x (Quality of illusion or suggestion + Material Aids)

    Execution = (Charisma) + (Accuracy)
    Capacity = Creativity (Imagination and Aptitude) + Study (knowledge of the subject of spell)

    Charisma; how influential is the caster to his or her audience?
    Accuracy; how convincing or detailed is the subject of the spell.

    Magic is limited by what a caster believes he or she is capable of and what his or her ability allows him or her to accomplish. Therefore, Magic is both inherent (through creativity and ingenuity) and scientific (in terms of studying a wide variety of objects that may be used for a spell). The better one understands an object, the more accurate the illusion of the object will become, or manipulated in the case of physical magic. So, the less you know about casting, the less confidence you have in casting. This causes you to be limited in what you are able to cast. Additionally, not studying objects or practicing spells often diminishes the quality and effect of a spell. In essence, power is derived (as the equations say above) from interior and exterior belief. A caster’s interior belief regulates his or her capacity for magic. The less capacity a caster has the more energy it takes to create spells. Further, in visual and mental magic, it also causes maintained spells to have shorter life spans before the caster would need to rekindle it. At lower power, a fly spell could be something akin to a large hop, as it consumes energy at a rapid rate. As a caster gains power, the flights would grow longer and longer in distance, however power will never make a spell unlimited.

    A caster that has exhausted themselves casting can recover by means a person would commonly use to recover from normal exhaustion. Casting is like any other activity a body performs, and so the body recovers similarly from it. Over exhaustion could cause hospitalization or even in some cases - death. The body often attempts to stop a caster before he or she reaches the point of exhaustion, and will begin shutting down to avoid mortal exhaustion. Still, a caster can force his or her body to beyond this point. Since the ability to cast derives fundamentally in the belief that you can cast, it is common for a caster who has experienced a traumatizing situation or loss by magical or non-magical means to find themselves unable to cast for a period of time.

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    Training begins as soon as possible for an Ancient. At first, the parents are responsible for magical instruction. A child in this stage could exhibit some affinity for a particular form of magic. Once Ancient children show signs for a particular school of magic, they begin to be schooled in that path. As stated earlier, many instructors for magic are Ancients who have had their bonds broken. They take on pupils and work with them at a young age to overcome the barriers of casting.

    Each Ancient grasps these principles at widely varying rates, and therefore it can take years or as little as weeks, to train a caster in a specific lesson. The instructors also hone the caster’s talents that would aid them in casting, such as public speaking or persuasive writing, acting, music, or visual art. To become familiar with material components of a spell, Ancients study natural and physical sciences, history and culture. These seemingly rudimentary tasks will greatly aid casters not only with their interactions with people, but with reality in general. The use of magic is considered by the Ancients to be an art form. Each uses their talents in different ways, and so the results of a spell often are dependent on a caster. Think of casting like a fingerprint; each result of a spell is similar, but it doesn’t happen quite the same way. While it is possible for an Ancient to start training after childhood, results vary as to its effectiveness. This is because it is substantially more difficult to change one's beliefs after development than during development.


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    When magic was fact, dueling could exist. Today, dueling is much more complex and difficult. Dueling is not at all the scene that one would imagine for two casters who are dueling – spells being cast back and forth at one another as it was when magic was fact. Instead, now that one relies on illusion to facilitate the reality of a spell, casters can no longer directly cast at each other. In fact, now casting takes place in one of two places: in combat or within the mind, sometimes both. Mainly, since magic cannot be used, duels are fought by hand-to-hand combat. The only variation to this is if one caster surprises the other, he or she might be able to cast an offensive spell at the other without the caster realizing it is a spell until after the effect.

    If two casters are mental magic users, they could battle as if both could cast. These battles are interpreted differently. These duels are battles of the mind where one caster is attempting to dominate the other’s mind. This battle is conducted in something similar to a dream, and resembles magical dueling of old within the mind. Each attack on the other resembles a spell or weapon, but is in actuality a thrust of will. Each spell is a siege attack on the other’s mind, attempting to break the other’s defenses. A caster must counter spells that could do damage to the defenses, as well as attack to attempt to do the same to the enemy. This dreamlike battle is the way the minds interpret the conflict, and draws on the psyche of both to operate. Once one mind is dominated, the dream collapses as one of its two supports has been cut off. Very rarely, one of esteemed mental capacity could battle within and out of the mind, thus fighting a caster in the midst of a battleground. The rarest form of duel is when two casters fight both within the mind and in hand-to-hand combat.


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    This technique occurs when two or more casters of a similar caliber work together. Commonly, cumulative casting is where several people of different forms of magic work together toward a common goal, each facilitating a different condition of the goal. An example of this might be a mental caster causing someone to be more receptive to an illusion that a visual caster was projecting.

    Cumulative casting can also be implemented for casters who are from the same form of magic. In other words, this is two or more people working toward one spell for a common goal. This act decreases the amount of effort it takes to cast the spell, as well as the amount of exterior belief needed. It also aids in extending the length of a spell and often the effect of one. For this type of casting to occur, two casters must link their minds and become one thought or risk the likely failure in casting. This risk is occurs because while two casters may believe they are casting the same thing, even a slight variation or distraction may cause a confliction in the spell, or worse, there could be a dangerous backlash to one or both casters. Due to the nature of cumulative casting, the casters involved must completely shut out the outside world so as to not be distracted. All perception is internal as the casters focus entirely on the task at hand. This causes the casters to be vulnerable to physical attacks and the world around them while casting, and so it is uncommon to begin this technique without certain measures of protection put into place, such as others watching over the casters or casting in a secure location.

    Even with both casting with one thought, if an event causes one mind to become separated from the other (such as knocking one unconscious), there could be risk of a rampant spell or an overload where the spell of two rests in one awareness and is too much for one to cast.

    Rampant Spells:
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    A rampant spell is caused if all the members casting the spell were separated from a casting link simultaneously. Without the guidance and direction from the involved casters, the intended spell is naturally released without any control over its actions. This often causes dangerous and unpredictable results. Instead of an effect of a spell occurring some distance away, it could occur directly on the casting area, or directed at a random target. A spell that was not fully shaped might take on a completely new form. Sometimes these occurrences are harmless, and other times they are incredibly powerful. Often the method that causes the casters to become separated from the spell influences the effects of the spell. The reason the spell does not overload the involved casters' minds as it is released is because there is a sufficient capacity of casters upon the release of the spell, and therefore no negative effects occur mentally from the release (however the spell itself might affect them).

    Overloading:
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    When an Ancient willingly takes on a spell that is too much for them (overchannelling) or by an interrupted cumulative casting, an overload occurs upon casting. When a spell is too great, the feeling is akin to pressure being built up within the caster's mind. At this point, a caster can attempt to delay casting the spell for as long as he or she can withstand the mounting pressure of the spell. In this time, another caster would be able to attempt restore the link for the spell. After the caster can no longer withstand the pressure, the spell is released and the backlash surges through the caster's mind, rendering them either unconscious or severely disoriented in lesser cases, or in greater cases, the backlash could kill the caster. Some casters suffer from short-term memory loss or complete loss of the memory of the event; others have been known to go mad. Overloading basically causes a caster to lose a portion of his or her grasp of reality. Whether this is temporary or not completely depends on how severe the overload is.

    Overchanneling has similar effects to overloading, but often has a lower rate of mortality since a caster is in complete control of the amount he or she cast beyond his or her ability, instead of an interrupted spell between multiple casters. When an Ancient overchannels, it is normally an implement of last resort. The more a caster overchannels a spell, the less believers are need, essentially allowing a single caster to successfully cast a more powerful spell without the need for any exterior belief. Unfortunately this also makes it increasingly hard for a caster to concentrate or stabilize a spell. The less stability a caster has, the more damage he or she does to his or her mind. Due to the hazardous effects of this practice, it is widely taboo to use such techniques. Education on casting mostly focuses on a caster knowing his or her limits, and caution on overstepping an individual's capabilities.


    It should be remembered that once a spell is amplified, it is unable to be deamplified. When the spell is completed, the joined minds release each other. One could cast with any number of people, but each time a person is added, it becomes increasingly difficult for the next to link. Often, spouses and families cast spells together as one mind, because the close relations and emotional bonds aid in connection. Due to the current low population of Ancients, as well as the ratio of each caster in the various forms of magic, linking is not common greater than a pair, perhaps a trio in certain areas of higher population. Small pockets of family groups are the exception to this rule.


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    A form of magic that has been hidden from the knowledge of all remaining Ancients is a thing referred to as Subsumal Magic. Subsumal Magic is where each of the main forms of magic is combined. This combination is directed at a living thing or several living things and transforms them into a new form. This often has unexpected consequences. When this magic was first implemented it was discovered the subjects no longer remembered any of their former life. Because of this, any loyalties a subject had before the spell should not be counted on post transformation.

    Another side effect is that the spell is unalterable and irreversible. Additionally, it is often hard to predict what a combination of creatures will become. Some subsumal spells are the alteration of a living thing (such as the Dwarves), while others are the combination of several (such as Merfolk). The first subsumal magic accidentally created the race of Faeries. Many of the original creature(s) capabilities remain after a transformation, even if to a lesser degree. Dwarves are able to use a form of Physical Magic, as they once were Ancients. Centaurs instinctually knew how to walk in their new form when created, despite not ever having taken an actual step. This magic eventually was developed to end wars quickly. If a war could be ended by incapacitating the leader or an entire section of an army, it was felt to be an acceptable technique. This tactic became a leading factor in the downfall of the Ancient race when civil war nearly annihilated them, and nearly ripped the world asunder. It was the decision of the remaining Ancients and other prominent races to erase all knowledge of this magic.
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    Most dragons aren't encountered very often. They're off on their own continent away from everyone else (think Australia) with only a few groups that have wandered from the continent one way or another, or in the societal setting, dragons that were banished for giving into their wild natures. These later dragons are the most common harassers, and since individuals or pairs, would be far more easier to sustain in the rest of the world, as they can eat pretty much sentients and wildlife alike.


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    Natural Magic - Since I have natural Fate, and natural Luck, where as the manipulation of these two things is "artifical". So there in some degree or another, must have natural Magic...

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    Hellooooooo!

    Dead fish dude, anyhows...apologies for crazy-busy work/private life issues, I'm not gonna say anything about 'things easing off' coz every time I do, something else happens, but none-the-less I have a few musings for you on the subject of overloading. It is in the form of a semi-coherant rant, you have been warned!!!

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    Magic, at least the powers which create it, are both infinite and abundant (at least until someone does something super-drastic...) and so the amount of available background or inherant magic should be at least huge, correct? Therefore, an Ancient is like a capacitor, accumulating this background hum and moulding it into physical (or mental) effects. This is an issue because everyone knows (or at least should know) what happens when you overload a capacitor (if you don't know, just hook up a cap to a 9v battery and stand back, it's bl**dy hilarious, and it's SCIENCE!). Overloading magic should not immediately do this, because nobody would overload otherwise, unless in the most dire and horrific of circumstances anyhow.

    My suggestion is simple enough, instead of blowing out the mage's body (head-pop stylee) it should blow out his grasp on reality. Every time you overchannel, you lose a tiny portion of your sanity. For some resilient and unorthodox mages this is not too much of a problem, a little here and there means a bit of self-indulgence and rest after the fact, to regain your composure. Repeated overchanneling however, could do more damage to your sanity than you could claw back, bringing you to a critical threshold where you lose your grip altogether. This is not mere madness though, as it affects the way you perceive the world, it also effects what your illusions are like, how you present yourself, and therefore ultimately affects your magic too. On top of this, it gives a kind of near-death experience type of rush for the mage, like overdosing on a drug, which encourages the mage to overchannel more and more often, hastening their own demise.

    In light of this, overchanneling should be taboo, one of the first things an Ancient learns as they develop their magical potential is how to assess their capacitance limit, and never to go beyond it. Those few survivors of overchanneling addiction are either stark-raving mad or almost entirely catatonic, but either way they lose their control over magic entirely. Some manage to maintain a few small tricks here and there, but most of these are the ones lucky enough to break their addiction before it got too late, and they try to avoid using even the little control of magic which they have retained, for fear of relapse.

    What's that, imaginary expositional voice?
    'But if this is what happens, then why would ANYONE overchannel?'
    Good question, disembodied sign of my mental breakdown!

    Ancients overchannel when they feel there is no other choice. The more you overchannel a spell, the less believers you need, essentially allowing a lone mage to make something 'real' with his magic without the need for any outside help at all. Unfortunately it also becomes increasingly hard to concentrate on or stabilise a spell. Overchanneled spells which become rampant do more damage to your sanity than those which just fizzle, but either way you pay a hefty price if you can't keep an overchannel under control.
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    Hellooooooo!

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    I like it. This helps me organize my thoughts a LOT. I've had similar ideas, without a process to think of them as. Thank you. I agree it wouldn't be a physical pop, but a mental one. Hmmmm....this description reminds me heavily of a concussion. Memory loss, grasp on reality affected. Abilities to process things damaged, possibly permanently. More susceptible to the problem again from similar trauma. Basically - overloading causes your brain to swell. The greater the overload, the more damage. Taboo is an acceptable term. Sometimes it is recoverable, sometimes not. I'll make sure to add over channelling to the magical instruction section.

    I find the addiction to overchannelling fascinating. I'll have to think on that a bit. It would be interesting for a character, even the main, to have this issue.

    Purposeful overloading then is suicidal terrorism or heroism, depending on the intended goal. A drastic last resort method. Perhaps some can't even accomplish overloading. Or when they get to that brink they pass out, like a safe guard. Though the more talented you are or powerful, the more your magical ability navigates around these natural safeguards and tendencies. Only the talented or more experienced can otherwise I could see overloading become rampant in suicidal causes, wreeking havoc on the world.

    I think you just assisted me in tying up overloads, veklim! Thank you!

    Now to turn my attentions to the other two forces....Fate and Luck. :small frown: Did you have any ideas there based on our previous conversations (which I'm beginning to import to here).
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    Luck and Destiny are two ends of the same energy, like the poles of a magnet. The mortal realm sits between these two places, where Luck (what may be) and Destiny (what must be) collide with material, emitting the magic which created the world we see. If one side or the other gain too much power, the material plane could shift, with disastrous consequences. As such, the keepers of Luck and Destiny have a common goal for the most part; avoid Atrophy (too much Destiny) or Anarchy (too much Luck). Despite this general consensus, there are those who truly wish one or other of these 'end times' to come about. They may be a small proportion, but they are a large minority which should not be ignored. This is not to say there is no animosity between Dragons and Elvori, in fact they have been locked in a near eternal petty squabble over the correct definition of 'balance' which has been known to claim the lives of several members of each species when words became insufficient to communicate their differences.

    Luck is pretty easy to explain, everyone experiences it at some point in their lives, and underneath no end of dogma and superstition, no matter the creed, faith or social structure, every sentient creature (and many besides) has experienced Luck, be it good or bad. What most people do not realise is that certain old and powerful superstitions based around Luck are more than just fancy dressing for common sense, or fear of an unexplained phenomenon. Dragons understand these little practices and oddities in behaviour to be ways to control the flow of Luck, increasing their own and decreasing that of their opponents. Hunting becomes easier if your prey always trips on the roots, and your first bite always finds the target. Luck is the flow of energies which allow the possibility of almost infinite outcomes to actions, and a skilled Luck user can twist it to lead a charmed life. Most Luck users are afforded the 'gift of the gab' as a result, the ability to talk their way out of (and into) just about anything.

    Destiny, in contrast, is remarkably hard to pin down. Although every person, creature and object in the world has a link to Destiny, not many will ever even know it was there. It is a subtle force, permeating existence and creating order, making sure the fruits in the trees always fall downwards, rivers flow towards the sea, night gives way to day and day to night, it ensures the seasons pass as they should, and that something done the same way carefully a hundred times will produce the same result in the vast majority of cases. Many people have the beginnings of the concept, calling it physical science, but few beyond the Elvori have the deeper knowledge which runs beneath. Destiny is mutable, changeable, an entirely fluid thing. With enough care and practice, an Elvori may render themselves almost impervious to outside harm, curse someone to a terrible and unavoidable fate or maybe just speed up and make safer a construction project like a road or a palace. The trick is to convince the Destiny being shaped that the form you wish is one it should take, and as such most Elvori are consummate diplomats in addition to consummate Destiny shapers.

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    [rant]
    Luck and Destiny are two ends of the same energy, like the poles of a magnet. The mortal realm sits between these two places, where Luck (what may be) and Destiny (what must be) collide with material, emitting the magic which created the world we see. If one side or the other gain too much power, the material plane could shift, with disastrous consequences. As such, the keepers of Luck and Destiny have a common goal for the most part; avoid Atrophy (too much Destiny) or Anarchy (too much Luck). Despite this general consensus, there are those who truly wish one or other of these 'end times' to come about. They may be a small proportion, but they are a large minority which should not be ignored. This is not to say there is no animosity between Dragons and Elvori, in fact they have been locked in a near eternal petty squabble over the correct definition of 'balance' which has been known to claim the lives of several members of each species when words became insufficient to communicate their differences.
    Basically what we've come up with is the idea of Seasons of Energy. You've got the waxing and waning of Destiny and Luck. I actually had a thought. Well a few thoughts. I like the fact the Magic is a product of these two forces. This however leads me two questions. First, Would magic have its own cycle where it would be in power, or would it be in power during the transition period between the two? I'd say based on how we've described the two it would be more of the second, but it sort of throws off the whole balance between the three racial cycles. Thoughts?

    Second, if Luck and Destiny were to balance instead of fluctuating power between one and the other, wouldn't that end the existence of magic (similar to how this world currently functions)? It would be an interesting device for the story (since the ultimate goal has been hinted - the question of magic's destruction or survival and how the world is affected in either sense). I'm not sure about fluctuating planes, but it might create and interesting turn of events...perhaps the splintering of reality into alternate dimensions? Maybe the event creates the other planes?

    Luck is pretty easy to explain, Destiny, in contrast, is remarkably hard to pin down.
    Very well put. I like that luck is quantifiable, and destiny is existential. If Destiny also represents science, then that might be able to justify how elves (elvori) have power over certain elements (depending on which you talk to), which certainly helps things. However, this power must be a tertiary thing compared to their power over destiny, because this doesn't fluctuate the way the rest of their power does, much like the fact that ancient's telepathy doesn't wax and wane.

    I'm not sure if anyone would earnestly consider ending the world to be a good idea without being at least partially mad, so bringing on the end times might not be the motivation, but putting an end to certain powers or people might be. And sometimes these things could possibly end the world, but they didn't know they would. Semantics, yes, but I think it's worth mentioning.

    You're take is pretty accurate! I'm glad we're on the same page. This makes further discussion a lot simpler. Let me know what questions you have! Answering them helps me!
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    Well, I was thinking that if magic is created by the meeting of Luck and Destiny, then it would be at it's fullest when L&D are roughly equal. This would essentially give you a magical equinox twice per cycle, but these would be shorter than the L&D solstices. If L&D were to stay in balance for too long, the magical fallout would be disastrous though, lemme explain:

    Magic happens all the time, to a greater or lesser extent, and although only Ancients can control it consciously, all living things help shape it's effect on the world. This means that if it stays in the ascendant for too long a period of time, all manner of accidental magics would occur as more and more people unintentionally shape and manifest random fears, urges, thoughts, etc.

    With Destiny being tied to elemental forces in one way or another, it's fairly easy to fluff through an explanation. The Elvori ability to control an element is as a result of being able to perceive the strands of Destiny permeating that force. This in turn allows them to predict and therefore channel, change, quash or intensify any particular 'reaction' that element may go through in the immediate vicinity. The scientific laws and principles which are slowly being developed by the younger races are simply a far lesser version of this, since they cannot see or change Destiny itself, but can see and use the results of it.

    You're right about the 'must be mad to bring on the apocalypse' thing, I agree that their goals wouldn't likely be utter destruction, but would ultimately result in bad joojoo! Of course, there will always be the odd mad one here and there!

    Have a few questions about Luck, but shall wait until they have been pondered sufficiently to make much sense!
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    Well, I was thinking that if magic is created by the meeting of Luck and Destiny, then it would be at it's fullest when L&D are roughly equal. This would essentially give you a magical equinox twice per cycle, but these would be shorter than the L&D solstices. If L&D were to stay in balance for too long, the magical fallout would be disastrous though, lemme explain:

    Magic happens all the time, to a greater or lesser extent, and although only Ancients can control it consciously, all living things help shape it's effect on the world. This means that if it stays in the ascendant for too long a period of time, all manner of accidental magics would occur as more and more people unintentionally shape and manifest random fears, urges, thoughts, etc.
    Hmmm...I guess the question lies in where magic comes from. Is it the product of the combination of luck and destiny, or merely magic exists because they do, as in a natural biproduct of their existance. Or is it a force that works to balance the two. Or several other possibilities. We should keep coming up with theories, because I'd like to think that philosophers in the world of Aldain would think of most of these as possibilities, and debate over them. I guess the biggest key to this is looking at the ways magic acts - through perception. It's very dependent on...hmmmmm...what if Magic is...life? It connects and divides Luck and Destiny. It can influence both in it's own way, the way L & D can't each other. I'd like to think that

    Magic could be similar to global warming in idea to some. Something that exists that not everyone believes in...but is slowly affecting the world in sometimes perceptive or non perceptive ways, often thought to be irreversible. I kinda like the parallel...

    With Destiny being tied to elemental forces in one way or another, it's fairly easy to fluff through an explanation. The Elvori ability to control an element is as a result of being able to perceive the strands of Destiny permeating that force. This in turn allows them to predict and therefore channel, change, quash or intensify any particular 'reaction' that element may go through in the immediate vicinity. The scientific laws and principles which are slowly being developed by the younger races are simply a far lesser version of this, since they cannot see or change Destiny itself, but can see and use the results of it.
    I've always viewed elemental powers as the natural element entrusting the Elvori in using it's power. So with the Water Elves, they have power over water, increasing as they age. The Ember Elves are an exception have the most power entrusted at birth, and it diminishes as they grow older. I guess the elves elemental power is similar to that of the powers in Avatar: the last airbender...though this idea is far from original, the elvori have had this since their conception. It would be nice to swing it in a new way, however.

    Have a few questions about Luck, but shall wait until they have been pondered sufficiently to make much sense!
    Well when you're ready, ask away. Often when people ask me questions they are on things I'd never even considered, and that helps me flesh out my system more.

    Edit: I think your description of Magic getting to be too...powerful? potent?...is actually incorrect, as magic is an always abundent, unlimited thing. I also know that the only reason for its lack of power "now" is the lack of belief/people able to cast it. I assume it would exist even if no one believed it could be cast. It's a manipulation of something that's always there that classifies it as magic, otherwise it's just latent energy.
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    What I notice first off is that it's very long and doesn't tell me anything much. It seems too long, rambling and textwally, and... well, yes it says how magic is formed and what you need to do, and some history... but it just seems to say so much and yet tell so little. I'd get to fixing that.

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    What I notice first off is that it's very long and doesn't tell me anything much. It seems too long, rambling and textwally, and... well, yes it says how magic is formed and what you need to do, and some history... but it just seems to say so much and yet tell so little. I'd get to fixing that.

    Also, paragraphs! The return key is your friend!
    What are you looking for me to say exactly?

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    What are you looking for me to say exactly?

    This reponse would be better summed up if you said TL:DR. I have broken it up in to paragraphs, but I guess I'll get into that a little more. Any opinion on the material in general aside from setup? Or were you too daunted by the quantity to read much?
    Reading into it a little more, it does look good. I like the idea of the ancients, though you could tell us a bit about who these "Hewn men" are apart from part-ancients.

    The magic-belief system is a good idea, but confusing me a little. Is it affected by the beliefs of witnesses, or isn't it?

    Three types, visual/mental/physical, very nice. What's this Ulterior realm, though?

    Stages of magic, okay, I guess. What happens if the caster gives up on a spell in stage 3? From the description of stage 2, the spell happens in stage 2 and then unhappens in stage 3 - I wouldn't like to face a fireball and a freezing nega-figeball.

    Barriers, surely 1 is part of 2? Otherwise, good.

    Magic being unlimited is the next thing that strikes me. Guy is told that he has unlimited power by parents when very young. Guy now has unlimited power (save the last three barriers, but they're a little bit meh).

    I don't like the duels, if I wanted to make an epic duel in this setting... then it wouldn't be as climactic. I like the cumulative casting and its drawbacks, although I'm not sure what would cause a rampant spell. Subsumal spells look good as well, very easy plot device.

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    Reading into it a little more, it does look good. I like the idea of the ancients, though you could tell us a bit about who these "Hewn men" are apart from part-ancients.
    Hewn men = human. I'll be going into that in a different section.

    The magic-belief system is a good idea, but confusing me a little. Is it affected by the beliefs of witnesses, or isn't it?
    Depends on the type. Visual and mental are mostly based off of the witness. Physical is based of the caster.

    Three types, visual/mental/physical, very nice. What's this Ulterior realm, though?
    Basically a parallel world. Still working on that. It's more of a note for me to develop. Still working on ideas and thoughts for other realms.

    Stages of magic, okay, I guess. What happens if the caster gives up on a spell in stage 3? From the description of stage 2, the spell happens in stage 2 and then unhappens in stage 3 - I wouldn't like to face a fireball and a freezing nega-figeball.
    1 is thinking out the spell, 2 is beginning the spell, 3 is finishing the spell. Spells that do not get enough belief fizzle. Once stage 2 happens, a caster can't "give up". Stage 3 is basically the result of 2. It's only to signify the spell ends and ends the energy connection with the caster.

    Barriers, surely 1 is part of 2? Otherwise, good.
    1 is separated from two because its the first step to get to 2. All the barriers tie into each other, but believing you can defy reality is no easy task, and so I felt it stands on its own.

    Magic being unlimited is the next thing that strikes me. Guy is told that he has unlimited power by parents when very young. Guy now has unlimited power (save the last three barriers, but they're a little bit meh).
    Magic is unlimited. We are not. Technically anyone who casts has an unlimited source of magic, however they are limited by their creativity, intuition, intelligence...so on...and the belief others have in the magic they created. We all are capable of anything in this world, but some of us are more talented than others in certain aspects. Just because I can write a book, doesn't mean it would be a very GOOD book. Same with casting. Just because an ancient can cast mean they're all particularly good at it.

    I don't like the duels, if I wanted to make an epic duel in this setting... then it wouldn't be as climactic. I like the cumulative casting and its drawbacks, although I'm not sure what would cause a rampant spell. Subsumal spells look good as well, very easy plot device.
    Any advice as to how you would improve duels?

    Rampant spells are a fairly new thing that I'm still working on. I'm aware it's slightly contradictory of the basic idea of magic, and I'm attempting to wrap it around these concepts a little more neatly. Good catch.
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    Yoyo Miester Wombat-mon,

    I has read thyne Magic System and I shallz comment on iet.

    First of all, Very Nice Work! I really like the "Believe in me, who believes in you!" approach to magic. Kind off remembers me off some childrens book I read a looong time ago. The fluff of the Rampant and Overload conditions are also good, but I have 1 question: If you cast in a group and 1 person from within the group wants to sabotage the spell so it becomes rampant, is that possible?
    I mean, every society has saboteurs, so why not this one :P.

    Second, how does this magic interact with mindless and/or animal-intelligence like creatures? Do they take it for granted or does it have no or less effect?

    Thirdly, Just some nitpicking: I think the formula for power should be: (Internal+External)xQuantity. Without the brackets you multiply the exterior and the quantity and add to that the internal, which doesnt make sense at all (imo). I can't find any other thingies in the rest of the formulae, it all makes kinda sense.

    About dueling, isn't it possible for a caster to, for instance, use his opponents greatest fear or just something he doesn't know and may take for real, to outsmart and maybe mentally damage his opponent? As I read it, you can't use this illusion magic in combat, but in fact, because people are already pumped up with adrenaline and react more then think it over, they would be quite the succeptible audience. Instead, maybe casters can still go toe to toe, but can gain minor advantages by creating small distractions for the enemy, just thinking out loud here.

    If I understand it right, all magic is present in the mind and can only effect the outside world through the mind, and only if enough people believe it is real. What happens if you concentrate on a spell, which enough people believed at first, and then lose faith. Does it fizzle? Does it Rampage? Or does it just go on, because enough people believed at first?

    Now some clearification points before I can make a statement about these:

    People can only believe in the unbelievable until Alderic's Cusp,
    What is this "Alderic's Cusp"?

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    When an Ancient takes on a spell that is too much for them willingly (overchannelling) or by an interrupted cumulative casting, an overload occurs upon casting. When an a spell is too great, the feeling is akin to pressure being built up within the caster's mind. At this point, a caster can attempt to delay casting the spell for as long as they can withstand the mounting pressure of the spell. In this time, another caster would be able to attempt restore the link for the spell. After the caster can no longer withstand the pressure, the spell is released and the backlash surges through the casters mind, rendering them either unconcious or severly disoriented in lesser cases, or in greater cases, the backlash could kill the caster. Some casters suffer from short term memory loss or complete loss of the memory of the event, others have been known to go mad. Overloading basically causes a caster to lose a portion of their grasp of reality. Whether this is temporary or not completely depends on how severe the overload is.


    When you cast with 3 people, and 1 disconnects, do both the other casters get the negative effect or is it all piled up on 1?

    This is all I can find for now, if you want to have some help brainstorming and/or thinking up some mechanics, let me know, I'll be happy to assist. I believe I have you in my Skype list somewhere from the G&G project, so I'll give you a PM .
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaylanderX View Post
    First of all, Very Nice Work! I really like the "Believe in me, who believes in you!" approach to magic. Kind of reminds me off some childrens book I read a looong time ago. The fluff of the Rampant and Overload conditions are also good, but I have 1 question: If you cast in a group and 1 person from within the group wants to sabotage the spell so it becomes rampant, is that possible?
    I mean, every society has saboteurs, so why not this one :P.
    Once one enters a spell link like that, it is not easy to drop out of. That's why the condition of removal was something like being knocked out or severe pain. The only way a spell becomes rampant at this moment is if no one controls the spell. That is if all casters are removed. To sabatage a spell, one would have to be on the outside of the spell.

    Thinking on it, if two casters were casting a spell together, they basically open their minds to each other to connect. I'm not sure someone who had ill intentions in mind would be able to do that...hmmmm...I guess the low and the short is I'm not sure. Based on what there is, do you have any thoughts one way or the other?

    Second, how does this magic interact with mindless and/or animal-intelligence like creatures? Do they take it for granted or does it have no or less effect?
    They wouldn't influence magic as much as other more sentient beings, but they'd still have an effect on it, especially if they were the target. Say you wanted to scare away a bear. You might be able to scare off a bear or confuse the bear in some way.

    Thirdly, Just some nitpicking: I think the formula for power should be: (Internal+External)xQuantity. Without the brackets you multiply the exterior and the quantity and add to that the internal, which doesnt make sense at all (imo). I can't find any other thingies in the rest of the formulae, it all makes kinda sense.
    Good catch. Will fix.

    About dueling, isn't it possible for a caster to, for instance, use his opponents greatest fear or just something he doesn't know and may take for real, to outsmart and maybe mentally damage his opponent? As I read it, you can't use this illusion magic in combat, but in fact, because people are already pumped up with adrenaline and react more then think it over, they would be quite the succeptible audience. Instead, maybe casters can still go toe to toe, but can gain minor advantages by creating small distractions for the enemy, just thinking out loud here.
    True. Such as say one sword was real and one was an illusion and I wielded both, or distractions in other places or if others were attacking the other caster while dueling. I'll think on wording and add that.

    If I understand it right, all magic is present in the mind and can only effect the outside world through the mind, and only if enough people believe it is real. What happens if you concentrate on a spell, which enough people believed at first, and then lose faith. Does it fizzle? Does it Rampage? Or does it just go on, because enough people believed at first?
    I think this significantly depends on timing. If it's during the time the spell is still being cast, the spell would fizzle. If it's after the spell is completed, it would keep going until it naturally ended. Though if another caster caused an illusion that something else were happening instread of the spell the first caster cast, one could potentially counter a spell. I'm still trying to pin down the exact characteristics of rampant spells, because I think its described two different ways in OP, and thats not good. As it stands, its as I said earlier: Rampancy only happens when no one controls a spell...like a balloon when someone lets go of it while inflating. Overloading is when that balloon bursts while inflating it. (i actually really like that analogy...)

    Now some clearification points before I can make a statement about these:


    What is this "Alderic's Cusp"?
    Alderic's Cusp = the point at which the suspension of disbelief collapses.

    the "or the" that came right after it was "in other words". I'll put it in parenthesis to avoid confusion. Sorry bout that.


    When you cast with 3 people, and 1 disconnects, do both the other casters get the negative effect or is it all piled up on 1?
    The other 2 feel the strain of the disconnected person, but still might manage to maintain the spell at a greater cost of energy. If they can't handle it, the spell overload would effect them both. That's why its very risky to link, and often when linked in greater numbers, they catiously use aplification.

    This is all I can find for now, if you want to have some help brainstorming and/or thinking up some mechanics, let me know, I'll be happy to assist. I believe I have you in my Skype list somewhere from the G&G project, so I'll give you a PM .
    Sounds good! I'm currently overloaded (nonmagically of course) with holiday activities and old friends in town, but things should be more toward a normal frame of mind come new years.
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    Power = [Interior Belief (knowledge and experience create esteem) + Exterior Belief (quantity of viewer and/or quality of belief from viewer)] x Quantity of Casters
    Quality of Belief (Exterior) = (Inherent belief of magic) x (Quality of Illusion or Suggestion) + Material Components
    Quality of Belief (Interior) = (Ability) x (Experience) + Material Components
    Ability = Creativity (Imagination and knowledge of casting) + Study (knowledge of object used in illusion)
    Sounds a little too Maths-y to me, but I'd be willing to give it a try if you provided some examples.


    And the fluff is simply excellent - I love the Barriers the most!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zireael View Post
    Sounds a little too Maths-y to me, but I'd be willing to give it a try if you provided some examples.


    And the fluff is simply excellent - I love the Barriers the most!
    Thanks for the read! The math is really just a demonstration of how things relate to each other, and work. As in, it's a logical way of explaining some of the information I've provided in a quick and easy way. Plus, if it ever gets more crunchy, I have that to work with. There's really no crunch in terms of game mechanics. This is purely a setting based magic system. This means I'm looking at the hard details of the fluff as its crunch, and looking to see if the reader finds flaws with the work, confusion in the explaination, or ideas for things within the system.

    I'm glad you like the barriers! What do you like about them? What kind of magic user would you be in this system?
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    This is a really cool, unique system. As was said previously, the belief-based magic system is reminiscent of a childhood fairytale story, yet the execution is, in my opinion, far from childish. I like it! I have a hard time seeing how it might play out mechanically, however, and I can see that it will certainly be difficult to create the crunch. If you decide to flesh the crunch out a little more, I would be willing to pitch in however possible, though I can't promise that I would be of much use. In conclusion, this is an awesome setting that is clearly well thought-out, and I am anxious to see some more cool stuff, both with your magic system and with anything else you've thought up!
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    So, something I've noticed is a lack of attention to Dragons. If they're omnivores and gave into their primal ambitions and whatnot. Are there some who didn't "fall"? What's the lifespan o'these critters? Are some intelligent enough to use magic? And what if dragons hibernated 1 year out of every ten or something due to a significant celestial event, you said you had star charts, right? You could even call that year something like the "Dragon's Winter" and then the other years based on dragon hibernation cycle. Not saying to give them front stage, just saying that a year without dragons would have to be pretty widely celebrated.

    Anyways, looking fine. I think I'll continue to drop in whenever I get a new idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by killer_monk View Post
    So, something I've noticed is a lack of attention to Dragons. If they're omnivores and gave into their primal ambitions and whatnot. Are there some who didn't "fall"? What's the lifespan o'these critters? Are some intelligent enough to use magic? And what if dragons hibernated 1 year out of every ten or something due to a significant celestial event, you said you had star charts, right? You could even call that year something like the "Dragon's Winter" and then the other years based on dragon hibernation cycle. Not saying to give them front stage, just saying that a year without dragons would have to be pretty widely celebrated.

    Anyways, looking fine. I think I'll continue to drop in whenever I get a new idea!
    While I'm not focusing on dragons right now, I have put up some details so I guess I had this coming. I'll answer what I can, but if you could review magic for now, that would be much appreciated.

    Anywho, some dragons are sentient, some are wild. Some sentients have reverted back to becoming wild.

    Either way, while not getting into describing each dragon kind in detail (i have eleven kinds) know that there are many different ones, and only two are firebreathing and fly. The rest are different than traditional dragons. Lifespan is around 3 to 5 hundred years. No dragon can use magic. In fact, no one can use magic but the Ancients. Sentient creatures can influence magic, but only the Ancients can use it.

    Dragons use Luck, though in the wild ones it's more of a area of effect, where sentient dragons can wield it.

    I have many ways I'm controlling dragon population. Predators, disease, hibernation, longer gestation for eggs, smaller amount of eggs hatched. Luck takes an active role in keeping the population of Dragons controlled so that they don't kill themselves off. Things like evolving quickly to suit new biomes or migration or some of the things I mentioned earlier.
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    *Whistles*

    And I thought I'd put a lot of work into my setting...

    Won't pretend I read all of that, though I liked what I did read- I always enjoy it when someone comes up with an actually consistent model for magic, and it seems like you have a cool one.

    Not 100% certain I read the "Visual" stuff right - on my first read, it looked like Visual magic could only be used to create illusions, Mental magic could only be used to influence the thoughts of others, and any material effects would require Physical magic. Is that the case, or is it something more like "If you can convince people the illusion is real, it becomes real" for visual magic?

    Also, minor question. You mentioned star charts - does this setting span multiple planets?

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    *Whistles*

    And I thought I'd put a lot of work into my setting...

    Won't pretend I read all of that, though I liked what I did read- I always enjoy it when someone comes up with an actually consistent model for magic, and it seems like you have a cool one.

    Not 100% certain I read the "Visual" stuff right - on my first read, it looked like Visual magic could only be used to create illusions, Mental magic could only be used to influence the thoughts of others, and any material effects would require Physical magic. Is that the case, or is it something more like "If you can convince people the illusion is real, it becomes real" for visual magic?

    Also, minor question. You mentioned star charts - does this setting span multiple planets?
    Thanks for the interest! It's an interesting read if you'd like to take the time. I understand there's a lot, though. It's about to get a bit bigger still, once I get luck and destiny powers up along with their respective races.

    Visual becomes real through external belief, but fades over time. Physical is changing something that is real in some way. So making it appear a wound is healed to make someone believe they are healed and thus, alleviate the affects of the wound for a time is Visual. During that time, that person will not have that injury. Though when the spell wares, it will be back to where they started.

    Physical would actually heal the wound.

    So you have it right on your later idea.

    On the other worlds part, the setting doesn't involve other planets, but star charts helped me form things for cultures and races and so on. They're actual accurate charts of what the stars would look like from another planet located in this galaxy, which I enjoy.
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    Thanks for the interest! It's an interesting read if you'd like to take the time. I understand there's a lot, though. It's about to get a bit bigger still, once I get luck and destiny powers up along with their respective races.

    Visual becomes real through external belief, but fades over time. Physical is changing something that is real in some way. So making it appear a wound is healed to make someone believe they are healed and thus, alleviate the affects of the wound for a time is Visual. During that time, that person will not have that injury. Though when the spell wares, it will be back to where they started.

    Physical would actually heal the wound.

    So you have it right on your later idea.

    On the other worlds part, the setting doesn't involve other planets, but star charts helped me form things for cultures and races and so on. They're actual accurate charts of what the stars would look like from another planet located in this galaxy, which I enjoy.
    Gotcha. I've got a fantasy universe that's been kicking around in my head for a few years, in the process of trying to get it all written up for the forums... it is a lot of typing.

    I like the bit about the star charts. Sooner or later I'm going to have to map out the stars in mine, but I'm putting that off as long as I can... I don't even know where to start, for building a real 3D map.

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    Gotcha. I've got a fantasy universe that's been kicking around in my head for a few years, in the process of trying to get it all written up for the forums... it is a lot of typing.

    I like the bit about the star charts. Sooner or later I'm going to have to map out the stars in mine, but I'm putting that off as long as I can... I don't even know where to start, for building a real 3D map.
    I took some astronomy classes in college that assisted me in that, though now I'd say a persual of google will help you find what you need. It's basically like making a flat map of the world, in reverse.

    Other worlds that I have in my D and D campaigns typically are part of my universe. Even earth is from my D20 things. I like to think that they all tie into each other. :)
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    I took some astronomy classes in college that assisted me in that, though now I'd say a persual of google will help you find what you need. It's basically like making a flat map of the world, in reverse.
    Well, my universe has a weird arrangement of stars (Sort of a gem-type arrangement, but it has seven points, so it can't be regular), and interplanetary travel and combat is a big part of things.

    I may decide to move it back to a more traditional galactic disk, for a few reasons... one of the reasons I'm stalling about making the map is that I want to keep things like that open.

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    A thought. Do drugs exist in this universe, and if so, are they used by mages? It seems like they could be useful (raise confidence, lower suspension of disbelief, provoke hallucinations.) Not sure if it'd fit with your flavor, of course.

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