A Reimagining: Starter Pokemon

[gunnar11]

About Solar Beam, Hyper Beam and Frenzy Plant:

Hyper beam says you get no damage if you make a reflex save (though I think you meant half-damage)

Hyper Beam and Solar Beam have exactly the same power (except for the sunlight prereq)

Hyper Beam and Solar Beam are more powerful than Frenzy Plant (even though Frenzy Plant is the 'ultimate attack'). At level 20 they deal 20d6 damage. Frenzy plant does only 12d6.

[LordErebus12]

About Solar Beam, Hyper Beam and Frenzy Plant:

Hyper beam says you get no damage if you make a reflex save (though I think you meant half-damage)

Typo, fixing it.

Hyper Beam and Solar Beam have exactly the same power (except for the sunlight prereq)

Damage types differ, force overcomes all DR and Hardness, making it even more potent.

Hyper Beam and Solar Beam are more powerful than Frenzy Plant (even though Frenzy Plant is the 'ultimate attack'). At level 20 they deal 20d6 damage. Frenzy plant does only 12d6.

good points. difference is Frenzy plant can do way more damage to undead and other types, in addition to effected a vast range of targets. yeah, less damage on average, but its a radius effect with no save for blindness.

mimicking Sunburst, slightly

[LordErebus12]

going offline for a bit, ill start working on it again after i get back from some errands. hopefully i can start on squirtle tonight. im still considering do to Pikachu, although no promises.

[Hanuman]

not sure what this evolutionist is, but im thinking it does have anything to do with this.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...php?p=13115715

Honestly if you wrote an alt-class for this and created some custom evolutions you'd be set.

[Jota]

My point with regard to the save or die isn't necessarily that it's level-inappropriate when compared with existing material (depending on what your benchmarks are, see color spray or sleep at first), but is two-fold:

1. One, by offering these abilities like invocations (or any other at-will with no resources management), you create a class that is optimally one-dimensional in combat, and thus boring to an intelligent player. Round one, use Spores (Sleep). Repeat until all enemies are asleep or you can coup de grace someone without provoking an attack of opportunity. Augment coup de grace with Takedown if you have it. I was going to say default to strongest useable at-will, but you don't really get one until level 14 (Seed Bomb, with Razor Leaf on a per diem limit and only augments to your slam before that).
2. Two, there is no sense of internal balance within the class. As written I see four and a half abilities: Growl (area of effect debuff), Vine Whip (crowd control with Stand Still/zone control tripping), Spores (Sleep), and Takedown/Double-Edge (to augment coup de grace attempts). Everything else is relevant only for until you've assembled that core set of abilities, and something not even before that.

Unlike invocations, however, your abilities aren't pick-and-choose, which means that every Bulbasaur is exactly the same. This isn't awful, but it is a little bit boring when the option to create something customizable and create some sense of consequence for player choice is readily available.

As for Stun Spores, I said how I would phrase it in my last post. "Stun lasts until the beginning of the creature's next turn" -- this ensures you don't stunlock people without them having some chance to fight back -- you can't take advantage of the stun, but your allies can, and forcing item drops can be a big deal for those not using natural weapons. You can stun, have them provoke an attack of opportunity for picking up their items, trip them with Vine Whip, and rinse and repeat, juggling them as long as you're successful while they can't really break the loop.

On a different note, I don't know if this is intended to integrate with 3.5e or stand alone, but a feat tax for speaking in the former is just bad form. If the consequence of feats is downplayed in the latter, that's one thing, but the alternative isn't good design.

[LordErebus12]

okay, some are missing save DCs but they are for the most bit up now. yay, charmander.

[LordErebus12]

One, by offering these abilities like invocations (or any other at-will with no resources management), you create a class that is optimally one-dimensional in combat, and thus boring to an intelligent player.

Boring to an intelligent player? hmm, sounds like an exaggeration.

Playing a Charmander correctly requires a lot of role playing, which should keep your so called Intelligent players thinking.

As this will probably never get used in any setting (again, its meant for fun), im not gonna worry about it too much. onward to editting charmander, then working on Squirtle.

[NotScaryBats]

What is the incentive to delay evolution? What does it get you?

[LordErebus12]

What is the incentive to delay evolution? What does it get you?

all the class abilities without the size increase, should you want to remain as a smaller version.

Also, pokemon always had that as an option. figured it would be cool to have it here.

[Deploy]

Well in Pokemon it could be worth delaying evolution at times, because in evolved Pokemon will learn better moves sooner than an evolved form at the same level. You might be able to work that in somehow.

[LordErebus12]

Well in Pokemon it could be worth delaying evolution at times, because in evolved Pokemon will learn better moves sooner than an evolved form at the same level. You might be able to work that in somehow.

i cannot think of a way to do that within the realms of 3.5

[ArkenBrony]

why not make them magical beasts?

[LordErebus12]

why not make them magical beasts?

outsider would be better, they came from the stars, or at least another plane.

[Hanuman]

outsider would be better, they came from the stars, or at least another plane.

Far realms pokemon, interesting rendition.

Welcome to the Aberracenter! Let me heal your abominations right up *ding-ding-dingaling!*

[LordErebus12]

Far realms pokemon, interesting rendition.

Welcome to the Aberracenter! Let me heal your abominations right up *ding-ding-dingaling!*

Just keep clicking A, then B....

[NotScaryBats]

Does Charmander get more than one claw attack?

"1st - Scratch (Ex):
Charmander has a primary claw attack dealing 1d4 damage.

6th - Bite (Ex):
Charmander has a primary bite attack dealing 1d6 damage. When used in conjunction with the Charmander’s scratch attacks, they become secondary, while the bite remains primary.

So, he has a primary claw attack, then has a primary claw attack and "Charmander’s scratch attacks" become secondary (but attacks is plural).

7th – Dragon Claw (Ex):
The Charmander’s claws harden, becoming razor sharp and harder than steel, dealing 1d6 damage and ignoring hardness less than 20.

12th - Slash (Ex):
Charmander’s primary claw attack (scratch) becomes even more capable of dealing damage, while dealing damage in turn to Charmander. If the Charmander chooses to take 2d6 damage, its tackle deals an additional 4d6 damage. This ability can only be applied once and cannot be stacked with any like ability, such as the Vicious weapon quality."

Then, "Charmander’s primary claw attack (scratch) becomes ..." so is that only when using claw as a primary attack (without using a bite?)