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2013-02-27, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
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2013-02-27, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Since we don't know how Malack became a Vampire, its pointless to speculate whether he chose to be sired or it happened against his will. Is it possible? He is a Cleric of Nergal, so maybe he did seek to become a Vampire as part of serving his deity. But that's just speculation at this point.
He definitely is choosing to remain among the Children of the Night, and he wants to ease his loneliness by creating Vampire Spawn (his "children"). But we don't know his full story yet.
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2013-02-27, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
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2013-02-27, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
True. But Malack is clearly at least 11th level minimum. So at absolute worst his chance of success is 30%.
As I see it, if Malack wants a reasonable expectation of an actual win he must take down that Deathward. Durkon has more HP and will grind down Malack enough that Malack will be forced to flee.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2013-02-27, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
...so what do you think the odds are that Tarquin carries Malack's whatever-the-lizardfolk-equivalent-of-a-coffin-is on his person?
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2013-02-27, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
One more point: Vampire Spawn (the 4HD guys) are under the complete control of the Vampire that sired them. They have no say in whether they even can destroy themselves (that's part of the reason Erasmus van Richten needed his father to stake him: Baron Metis would have sensed and overruled Erasmus' attempt to stake himself).
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2013-02-27, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
While he probably can't take him fully out, vampire and all, I think Durkons got the edge here. Direct-combat doesn't seem to be Malacks thing (or nearly so much as Durkons) to begin with, and hes already disadvantaged by the ward. Plus Malacks burned up a pile of spells already making those mummies earlier, unless vampires have that talent.
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2013-02-27, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
This is so awesome.
Recent comics, Durkon, update speed, everything!
I love it!
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2013-02-27, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Awesome comic. I actually did a small fist-pump at my desk when I read the Heal :)
Malack's not done - heck, Nale got away after Malack threw a harm spell on him, and I don't expect this to be the end of Malack, either.
I don't think Heal is a knock-out blow. it will be interesting to see if Malack stays around or not.
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2013-02-27, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by The Giant
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2013-02-27, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
This is beautiful and awesome and and and SQUEEE.
Great use of perspective and angles. The slow zoom in to the close-up really drives home the last panel.
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2013-02-27, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
No. The origin of both is the 2ed Monstrous Compendium entry on Crimson deaths, which noted, "These are commonly linked in legend with vampires. Some believe that when a person becomes a vampire his/her soul separates from his/her body and is transformed into a crimson death. Others believe that a vampire who is destroyed will become a crimson death."
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2013-02-27, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
"Some claimed that the crimson death was the soul of a slain vampire" - but that doesn't mean the claims are correct.
The adventure has it be (at least according to legend, and to that vampire's research) the soul essence of a living vampire- but it might differ in other settings.
On checking The Book of Lairs- I find that the Crimson Death in that is "Int: Genius".Last edited by hamishspence; 2013-02-27 at 06:04 PM.
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2013-02-27, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Okay, I may have misunderstood (or misremembered) what Jander's fear of becoming a Crimson Death was based on. He was an adventurer before being sired, and spent years after being freed from servitude following rumors of a cure for Vampirism, so he might have heard the rumors about Vampires becoming Crimson Deaths that the 2E Monstrous Manual refers to. As a result he saw suicide as a possible dead end: if the rumor was true he'd just become another monster, this one without a body.
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2013-02-27, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Btw as a sidenote, do you think Practiced Spellcaster exists in the OotSverse?
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2013-02-27, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
The Poison spell in 3.5 deals Constitution damage, right? Maybe Malack was trying out a longshot strategy to lower Durkon's Constitution, to make it easier for Malack to sire the dwarf? The tactic failed thanks to Durkon's high Con score, Dwarven immunity to Poison and good Cleric Fort save, but it seems like a more legitimate tactic (if a long shot to work) if we are assuming that Malack wants to sire Durkon.
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2013-02-27, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Looks like the thorprayer machine is finally working.
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2013-02-27, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
It probably comes down to how fast things are moving per strip. Due to space constraints and the fast pace of the action, Rich probably wanted to show Hinjo getting hit with harm, the skeleton getting smited (can't remember what it actually was at the moment) and Hinjo getting stabbed within 3 panels, which he couldn't do unless they were drawn the was they were in 453. In 811, he probably wanted to spend some time on the fight between Malack and Nale, so he dragged things out more compared to 453 and drew it the way he did. In the current strip he is also concentrating on a fight between two people, Durkon and Malack. It might also be just a change in how he decided to draw positive and negative energy spells working, in which case the more recent example is the better one to go by.
BTW, I know the fight in 811 wasn't truly 1-on-1, but within the context of the first four panels it is purely a fight between Malack and Nale.Last edited by Petey7; 2013-02-27 at 06:24 PM.
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2013-02-27, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
Really didn't expect Tarquin's long-term ally would be defeated (he'd be nicely below 0HP if not for a lucky save against this heal) in just ~3 rounds.
Durkon has already shown he's quite capable in combat, but I expected more of Malak. It's a letdown, but in the end not everyone is as good as they first seem to be (even if they are vampire-clerics). However, this does actually make me wonder just how much Tarquin's plans hinge on his own expertise; and since he wasn't defeated so far, just how tough that would make him be...There is no such thing as "innocence", only degrees of guilt.
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2013-02-27, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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OMG I can't watch! [covers eyes]
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2013-02-27, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #873 - The Discussion Thread
I think my favorite detail in the whole strip was the purple "blood."