Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In the Playground XLIII

[Sgt. Cookie]

Wow. I echo what has already been said. This PrC is terrible.

But, I have ideas.

[Amphetryon]

Wow. I echo what has already been said. This PrC is terrible.

But, I have ideas.

Hey, at least it lets you cast in armor. . . at 6th level.

[Vaz]

That doesn't do it justice, Amph. Without Bonus Feats, that means ECL15.

Have fun with that one!

[Gotterdammerung]

I'm not having trouble with the class from a mechanics standpoint. It really isn't that bad. I am having trouble with its generic nature. I mean a melee/mage elven hybrid is like one of the most vanilla straight out of the box D&D staples. If I stay true to the fluff and intention of the SI... then I end up with a bland meal. Real tricky round. I really hope someone figures out how to lay some voodoo down on this bland birdy.

[rockdeworld]

Naturally enough I realize my first entry has banned sources

I reworked it, but it seems rather vanilla. I'll see if I can spruce it up a bit.

[FyreByrd]

It's about time I did another one of these...so throwing my hat into the ring...

...I've got an idea, but will need to play around with it a little more before I'm certain it's going to work

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Oh. This one.

You know... I think I could cheese something out here... but I'm not sure it would fly, and I'm fairly certain the judges would start throwing books at me for doing it. Also, I can see some synergy, but I can't see a build with this in it without asking the question 'why did you nerf yourself by taking the SI?'.

[123456789blaaa]

Oh. This one.

You know... I think I could cheese something out here... but I'm not sure it would fly, and I'm fairly certain the judges would start throwing books at me for doing it. Also, I can see some synergy, but I can't see a build with this in it without asking the question 'why did you nerf yourself by taking the SI?'.

Off topic post: Shneeky I posted a fairly long post in the Reanimated DN handbook thread. I pmed you about it but you seem to have not gotten it. You may want to check the post out.

[Venger]

That doesn't do it justice, Amph. Without Bonus Feats, that means ECL15.

Have fun with that one!

even with bonus feats, the SI has a hard limit at BA 5. so at the very earliest, you're gaining the ability to cast in light at lvl 11.

you spoil us with this ingredient, chairman

[Vaz]

Ooooh. Got one build in mind. Not sure it was meant to do it, and potentially wooly wording, but those caster levels are coming in useful.

[sabelo2000]

Arrgh this is frustrating! Full BAB but only partial casting, and I've never had motivation to build a gish before. Dangit, I... WILL... do this!

[8wGremlin]

Actually... you know what, I'm not going to enter this one.

Bladesinger, I'm just not that in to you....

see you all on the next one XLIV...

[Dusk Eclipse]

I have an idea; butI am not sure if I can actually do :smallsight: why did it have to have so many sucky pre-reqs.

[Gotterdammerung]

Ok, I got my idea. I don't think I will come up with a second idea this round, though. Just have to research a pile of fluff. Elves are totally not my thing, so I am real unfamiliar with some of their more obscure fluff.

[The Viscount]

Actually... you know what, I'm not going to enter this one.

Bladesinger, I'm just not that in to you....

see you all on the next one XLIV...

No shame in that. I'm pulling a blank on this one. Honestly, I can do an Zinc Saucier for this thing far easier than I could ever do an Iron Chef. All the class features can be replicated.

[Ifni]

Yeah, the later gish classes/PrCs take pretty much everything Bladesinger did and add more.

I have a build that works, I think, and it's probably what I'd recommend to someone who really wanted to use this PrC. It's decently powerful, although of course you can do better replacing some SI levels with other better PrCs. I suspect it'd get dinged heavily on originality, though, it's a pretty obvious build. And the table is intimidating, so... we'll see how motivated I'm feeling.

[Vaz]

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[Venger]

vaz, you may wish to edit your post for anonymity, and instead ask the chairman your question, so others don't know that your dish is the one using that particular strategy

[IamL]

I'll be cooking for the first time.

[Kuulvheysoon]

I'll be cooking for the first time.

We'll be glad to have you - everyone's welcome. And good luck.

[FyreByrd]

OK I've now gone through 4 concepts (3 bland, 1 illegal) why do I care so much about this PrC, what's wrong with me!

I'm now on concept number five which involves me finding every copy of complete warrior published in the world, and subtly editing it, mainly by crossing out those prereqs!

[rockdeworld]

Good luck, FyreByrd. You have all of our support

Whew, finished and submitted. I'm so happy to be done with that. I considered making a second one but I just feel tired

[Grynning]

Wow you guys still do these! Hi Amphetytron!
It's been over a year since I posted here but I was kinda surprised to see Bladesinger hadn't been done yet. It's a 10-level bad PrC, it's perfect for IC. Good luck all.

[Amphetryon]

Wow you guys still do these! Hi Amphetytron!
It's been over a year since I posted here but I was kinda surprised to see Bladesinger hadn't been done yet. It's a 10-level bad PrC, it's perfect for IC. Good luck all.

*waves* I can stop Iron Chef anytime I want. . .

*twitch*

Okay, that's enough stopping for now.

[Fearan]

Ok, here's a question. The SI requires that the character has to wield a longsword/rapier in one hand and nothing in other. Now let's assume the chartacter for some reasons has more then two hands - how the restricitons will work now?

[Vaz]

I've taken it to assume that as long as it's got at least one hand free and one hand on the Longsword or Rapier, it's still eligible to work. The usage of "the" means as such, but I don't think that writers had certain abilities in mind when they created the class.

Or a Certain book, either.

Edit; I know it's early but just been flicking through some splats for "alternate" entries; and I found a few I'd like for the next challenge; Knight of the Iron Glacier, aforementioned Slime Lord, Ashworm Dragoon, Thief of Life and perhaps the Fiends from Fiendish Codex.

[OMG PONIES]

Hmm, I've found a most interesting concept. Now if only I can answer the question, "why Bladesinger?" without stomping my foot and pouting, "because I have to!"

*waves* I can stop Iron Chef anytime I want. . .

*twitch*

Okay, that's enough stopping for now.

It's okay, man *twitch*. I feel your *twitch* pain. My name is Ponies, and I'm an Iron Chefaholic. Admitting is the first step to recovery, right? Right? Right?!

Ok, here's a question. The SI requires that the character has to wield a longsword/rapier in one hand and nothing in other. Now let's assume the chartacter for some reasons has more then two hands - how the restricitons will work now?

An interesting query, to be sure. I'd like Herr Chairman's perspective, please.

[MidgetMarine]

You know what?

I'm actually going to try.

I'm going to fail in a flailing mass of death.
But I shall try, so help me god.

[Gotterdammerung]

You know what?

I'm actually going to try.

I'm going to fail in a flailing mass of death.
But I shall try, so help me god.

"Do or do not, there is no try."
-Yoda


"“The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right."
- Henry Ford

[Amphetryon]

"Do or do not, there is no try."
-Yoda


"“The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right."
- Henry Ford

So, all those times I thought I could win this contest, and didn't?