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    Default Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XLIV

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XLIII. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, April 20th, 2013 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, May 4th 11th, 2013 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Races of Destiny’s Urban Soul!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez optimiser!

    Contestants

    Judges

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Troll in the Playground
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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XLIV

    FAQ:
    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as it's Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    How about the non-human Adaptation section? In a word? No. Humans and [human]s only.

    What about the City-bonded substitution level? The Chair sees no reason to ban access to it (though he suspects that the vast majority of people will take it).
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    Avatar by Iron Penguin.

    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge XLIV

    Venger's going to be stoked for this one.

    Competing.
    Iron Chef in the Playground veteran since Round IV. Play as me!


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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XLIV

    Haven't even looked at the class, already know I'm in. Good luck to all! =-p


    EDIT: Just finished reading. Ouch. Thats...gonna be rough. Lets do this.
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    Dang... This is up there with Thief of Life as one of the PrCs I've been waiting for, but I really ought to hold off and judge.

    If we get at least three people willing to judge, I'm in to compete. If three people don't express interest in judging, then I'll volunteer - I'm way overdue for a round of judging.

    Either way, as a competitor or as a judge, I'm excited to see what everyone cooks!
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    I am interested. It has been a while since I competed here.
    This forum may use my name, simulated likeness, and/or words for any entertainment purposes or signature quotes.

    Chairman Emeritus of Zinc Saucier. It is just like Iron Chef but comes with double the prize money.

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    So now you're claiming that spellcasting "lacks a clear, supernatural element?" Being supernatural is literally the only point of magic.

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    On the one hand, I'm home from work with precious little to do while my arm heals. On the other hand, I find this class to be . . . unfortunately uninspiring.

    We shall see. I'm not in yet, but it's not out of the question.
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    Come join the Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground E6 Appetizer Edition! We're currently judging for round 26. Everyone is welcome!

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    Default Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XLIV

    My judging criteria:

    Originality

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    Let me preface this section by saying that I don't think originality is wholly contingent upon choice of class. Two builds can have the exact same class levels, and yet end up going in completely different directions. Choice of class matters somewhat, but I'm more interested in what your build actually does.

    I also will not penalize you just because someone else has chosen the same class as you. If you submit something that I find unexpected, I'll score it high even if the next person has the exact same build. But if you submit an entry that I consider standard or expected, don't expect a lot of points even if no one else went that direction.

    So what will gain you points? Use the abilities you have in fresh and interesting ways. Surprise me. Show me new combinations that I've never seen before. Meanwhile, using well-known builds will cause you to lose points.


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    There are two questions that will define how I rate a build's power. They are...

    (1) How good is your build at its intended role?
    (2) Will you stay relevant if your main "trick" does not work?

    I don't expect every build to have 9th-level casting or manifesting, or to be able to bring the universe to its knees. However, if your build has a specific role or function, I expect you to be at least adequate at it. And if your build is a one-trick pony, it had better be a pretty good trick. I will deduct points if you can't function outside of a very limited set of parameters.

    I'll also be looking for obvious ways your build could be improved (other than the most obvious "take fewer levels of the Secret Ingredient"). There's nothing wrong with sacrificing a little power for flavor, but if a choice makes you worse at your role, I will penalize for it. Just hope you make up the points in elegance or originality, I guess...

    Finally, I don't plan to grade on a curve. Even if this is a weak ingredient, don't expect full points in Power if you've managed to just barely become adequate. Everyone's got the same ingredient to work with, after all.


    Elegance

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    Obscurity or using multitude of sources doesn't bother me, but for the love of Pelor, please cite your work! I am very familiar with the system, but I like to have the books in front of me when I'm reviewing a build. I also don't like too much mixing of setting-specific material. (Note that just because a class or feat appears in a setting book doesn't mean that I will consider it setting-specific; I'm referring to things like regional feats, feats and classes that involve certain setting-specific orders, etc.)

    Now that that's out of the way... I don't mind dips, as long as they are reasonable and make sense. However, I will not ignore the "fluff" requirements of a class. If a prestige class requires you to be a member of the Wizards of the Unseen University and your build glosses over that requirement, expect to see a small deduction.

    In any case, while I won't penalize for dips, I do like nice clean builds, where everything works in harmony, so you can pick up extra points that way. I will also give out small bonuses here if everything is written up cleanly, in an engaging manner. Nothing huge - the build is most important. But presentation DOES matter, and if you do a good job with it, I think you should be rewarded. I don't need three pages of backstory, but I do like to see more than a list of abilities.

    I'm mildly cheese-tolerant - I don't mind characters being effective or using abilities in new and exciting ways, as long as the rules do indeed back you up. But this should be something you are willing to sit down with other human beings and actually play, so keep the Vieux Boulougne at home. Also, this should go without saying, but if a build element is illegal (failing to qualify for a feat/PrC, for instance), I will deduct for it.


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    i would like to take another shot in the kitchen.

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    I think I'll jump into this one. I've already got a good idea of where I'm going to go.
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    I shall cook.

    First question: text of the class states that Urbanus might choose a non-human as an Urban Soul for a city with majority non-human races. May we take advantage of this ACF? Because we'll get a greater variety of cuisines that way.

    Second question: is the "City Bonded" variant allowed?

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    Venger's going to be stoked for this one.
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    dude I am so stoked.

    I'm going to cook. Tremble.

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    Count me interested but I may not get the time to have a build ready by the deadline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    I shall cook.

    First question: text of the class states that Urbanus might choose a non-human as an Urban Soul for a city with majority non-human races. May we take advantage of this ACF? Because we'll get a greater variety of cuisines that way.

    Second question: is the "City Bonded" variant allowed?
    Let's keep this sane - Human or [human] applicants only, please.

    And I see no reason not to allow the sub level (even though I suspect that the vast majority of contestants will jump at the chance to take it - I mean, the SLAs alone are better than the inter-city teleport, and you also get intracity teleportation).

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    I already have a rather silly idea. Count me in as a contestant.

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    This isn't great, but I love me some urban classes. I'm in for the time being. This looks like it's going to be fun.
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    Hell I'll try this one

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    Wow, one build already built itself for me. 30 minutes of work, and everything meshes... is this too easy? Is this build dish the equivalent to Pizza Nachos - quick and delicious, but c'mon.

    Time to start work on a gourmet dish! So excited!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    Let's keep this sane - Human or [human] applicants only, please.
    Aww dang, you mean I can't make a Kobold Urban Soul who specializes in founding villages named Lickmyorangeballshalfling around himself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draz74 View Post
    Aww dang, you mean I can't make a Kobold Urban Soul who specializes in founding villages named Lickmyorangeballshalfling around himself?
    That's awesome, Draz. I'd like to see that happen just because, forget about the judging!

    In other news, I'm delighted to see that Piggy has thrown in as a judge, and not just because I won't have to compete against him! Piggy, I look forward to hearing your review of my build.
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    Hmmmm, basically since urban soul doesnt seem to advance any class features, or give any extra damage beyond mob violence, you'll need to qualify with some good damage potential.

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    I might have an idea... *thinking*
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    This is my first ever seeing this thing. Is it acceptable to make an npc-esq character? This class specifically lends to not leaving cities, something you average player would frown upon.

    Edit: and are we allowed only one entry? I have two radically different ideas...
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    Got a couple of ideas...although my first one is pretty much a bust on power straight off the bat, so may leave that by the wayside.

    I think I'm in...it doesn't have the attraction of Bladesinger (still don't know why it attracted me so much) but at least there's a few decent entries into it!
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    What an uninspiring pile of uselessness. I think I shall judge this round.

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    Originality: This category has two main components; was your build similar to any of the other builds submitted, and was it similar to any well-known builds. In addition, I will penalize your build if it uses obvious tricks in obvious ways or well-known exploits in expected ways. Bonus points for things that haven't been thought of before (or at least with respect to the secret ingredient) and for using known tricks in unusual ways. Given the restrictive entry requirements, originality will be relaxed a little this round.

    Power: How does your build stack up, power wise, to other builds focusing on similar objectives. Power in this category includes flexibility and versatility as well as straight combat power. This category will also measure power from level 1-20; a build will be penalized if it is excessively weak or unplayable at lower levels but ramps up later. Bonus points will be given if most or all of a build's power come from tricks involving the secret ingredient. The baseline I'm using for this round is something like a specialized ranger; can function decently in their chosen realm, but is weak outside of it. You'll have to do better than that to score well in this category.

    Elegance: The toughest category to judge and assess. Dipping will not be automatically penalized, but dipping that makes no thematic sense (taking 2 levels of fighter for the feats on a spellcasting class) will be. More importantly, the build should make sense at all levels, 1-20. Abilities that are useless at the level they are taken, but come on line later, will be penalized. Maintaining flavor and flow through the build will be rewarded, while taking out of place levels/abilities will be penalized. This is also the category that will see deductions for questionable use of rules/illegal builds. Expect points lost if you utilize something that most DMs would not allow.

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    Hi, NPC class, nice to meet you. I have a few ideas thematically, but whether that actually correspondsnto actual use, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darklink_shadow View Post
    This is my first ever seeing this thing. Is it acceptable to make an npc-esq character? This class specifically lends to not leaving cities, something you average player would frown upon.

    Edit: and are we allowed only one entry? I have two radically different ideas...
    you can make an NPC style character, just make sure you specify so in your playtips section.

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    you can make an NPC style character, just make sure you specify so in your playtips section.
    You can, but NPCs are for suckers. The challenge is making the secret ingredient into a usable PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darklink_shadow View Post
    This is my first ever seeing this thing. Is it acceptable to make an npc-esq character? This class specifically lends to not leaving cities, something you average player would frown upon.
    From the FAQ post -

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    Character has been formatted into the [lovely] table. Now for the explanations and backstory.
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