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2019-03-18, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dimension-related question
This one's probably pretty easy. How many completely empty pocket dimensions are just kinda floating around to be found in the Astral Plane? For instance, when a Wizard dies, if they've cast Genesis, I imagine their pocket dimension remains. But if that's the case, then could one bump into it? Would it be possible for someone, with sufficient Knowledge(The Planes) ranks, to discover and/or know about this empty pocket dimension and use it for themselves? How likely would it be to be invaded and whatnot?
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Interesting question.
I don't think you could just "bump into it", though I'm not exactly an expert on the astral plane.
If you somehow learned enough about it with mundane means, for example by going over the dead Wizard's books and notes, you could probably Plane shift there.
You could use Divination spells to get enough information about abandoned Demiplanes to Plane Shift to one. This would require some finagling but after recently looking over divination spells you could eventually get it done by RAW.
With Gate it's much easier, but for Plane Shift you need to know what kind of metal rod you use to get to some weird custom plane.
Using Divination to discover a totally abandoned and forgotten Demiplane could be a cool way to get an awesome base.Last edited by Hackulator; 2019-03-18 at 09:22 PM.
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Hackulator, my man, you just put a very, very cool feather in my hat.
As a question, then, what's the earliest that you think someone could discover one of these abandoned planes and how to get to it?
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Re: Dimension-related question
Originally Posted by Hackulator
Using Divination to discover a totally abandoned and forgotten Demiplane could be a cool way to get an awesome base.
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The astral plane is infinite in size. To give you some sense of scale, our universe--with its 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars only in the observable part--isn't. The chance of randomly bumping into a demiplane is practically nonexistent. And things don't get much better if you're actively looking for demiplanes to bump into, because there are ubiquitous clouds and storms and color whirlpools that are going to make seeing (your best bet, because divinations tend to be more limited in range) even a few hundred miles out problematic.
No, if you're going to find a demiplane, it's going to be done by studying a forgotten tome or delving into a forbidden ruin or the like, not traipsing across the astral sea and hoping you get lucky.
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So, the uptick I'm getting from this is that interlopers--At least, ones that know where they are and thus are likely to have available countermeasures--Are unlikely, and the defenses probably won't have to be changed every few weeks just to adjust to some stupid adventurer figuring out my hidey-hole and trying to loot it while I'm away.
But the downtick, of course, being that I have to track down a powerful and, more unlikely yet, *deceased*, wizard's home, hope their tome's in one peace, hope they learned and cast Genesis, and then taking that knowledge for myself?
Would I have better odds just hunting down liches?
Okay, that's a fair point, actually. It would be on the Ethereal Plane. That's actually a P. important difference, but brings up a question. How, eh, visible would a genesis-made pocket dimension be if you made a force-wall on it?
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Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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To be fair thanks to divination magic, infinite isn't that much of an issue technically since you can magically search your way through the infinite index that is that plane for specific search terms. The trouble is you need to know what search terms to put into the Googly Goggles Of Scrying.
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I'd have to disagree with your logic on this one. You are assuming a very small finite number of demiplanes. However, I don't believe there is any canon information on how many demiplanes actually exist. So while finding a specific demiplane might be virtually impossible just by wandering the astral plane, there is no reason to insist that there can't be lots of demiplanes out there waiting to be discovered. As long as you are content with just any old demiplane, it may be worth a shot.
Now if someone can find anything stating just how common/rare demiplanes actually are, it might be possible to figure the odds of discovering a random demiplane by accident.“No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.” ― Steven Brust
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I see the confusion. You are assuming demiplanes aren't natural.
Originally Posted by Manual of the Planes, page 153Last edited by Roland St. Jude; 2019-03-21 at 11:42 AM.
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Last edited by Roland St. Jude; 2019-03-21 at 11:41 AM.
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If you get your Gather Information/Knowledge: the planes up to some good numbers, you could get intel by cruising around any planar metropolis. As for the getting-there part, the 3HD Ur'Epona (Planar Handbook) sits comfortably within the limits of a Lesser Planar Binding, which scroll is priced at 1,125gp.
One could also extrapolate the AE&G's guidelines for acquiring monstrous mounts, and buy one for 1,750gp.
So, there, level 3.Last edited by Chalhubard; 2019-03-20 at 05:50 AM.
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There's always other opportunities.
An old Demiplane used to contain powerful artifacts... And the Wizard, millenia ago, died, his Demiplane unclaimed and unguarded. After so long of exposure to such powerful artifacts, the weavings have started to come apart, and leak strange magic into the Astral Sea like blood in the water.
Demiplanes will be absolutely as easy or difficult to find as the adventure needs them to be, and I, for one, am rather enjoying the idea of Astral Treasure Hunters looking for lost Demiplanes... and the creatures and strange magicks that have infested them.
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The Material Plane is an infinite plane too (and there are an unknown number of Material Planes, although whether they connect to the same Astral is dubious), and there's no particular reason that demiplanes can't be closer together on the Astral Plane than the planets which host the people who created them.
I mean, infinity divided by 100000000000 is still infinity, and the Astral Plane's not known to be 1:1 the way the Ethereal and (parts of) Shadow are.
Not saying they necessarily are closer, but be mindful of your assumptions.
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A fun idea to be sure.
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Indeed, though I'd bet the life-expectancy for low-level planar travelers should be somewhat short.
That is a reasonable assumption, if you are going for D&D's weakspot, otherwise known as logic
Luckily for us, a scroll of Divination costs 725gp. So even if you stack a scroll of Lesser Binding, we still under the WBL for level 3.Last edited by Chalhubard; 2019-03-20 at 05:54 AM.
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