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    Perhaps there's so much security because the net-making machine is arguably a weapon of mass destruction, given both the pressure-wave generator and the fact that it's made of LASERS AND TESLA COILS reinforcing this.

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    The description of the way he freaked out when you could prove to him that he'd contradicted himself almost makes me feel sorry for him. Almost.

    (Then I remember what he said in Jin Down, and any possibility of feeling a trace of sympathy for him vanishes.)
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    This, in a nutshell.
    Yes, exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Mopalot View Post
    Perhaps there's so much security because the net-making machine is arguably a weapon of mass destruction, given both the pressure-wave generator and the fact that it's made of LASERS AND TESLA COILS reinforcing this.
    Now imagine the kind of machinery used to create the volleyballs...

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    Now imagine the kind of machinery used to create the volleyballs...
    I can't, I couldn't pass all the required knowledge rolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Silver View Post
    I can't, I couldn't pass all the required knowledge rolls.
    You actually got to roll? Wow. Even having an imagination is usually reserved for level 15...16...godhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry the 57th View Post
    I just read the whole thing, and... wow.

    But there's one thing I gotta know: how in all the infinite infernal hells did you manage to spend so long with this?

    You say that this was the only gaming group around. Fine, so why not throw Marty out? Get a new GM? Force him to play a different game? I mean, for God's sake, bashing your head on a wall for hours sounds like a much more fulfilling, less painful use of your time than going through this. What kind of twisted hellscape did you live in that made this sound like an even remotely acceptable use of leisure time?
    DMing is very stressful when you are aware of the player's Scrutiny, and can take a while to get a good game idea. So while I had contemplated it, We had the issue of being unreliable at DMing since Trekking and I had courseloads that made GMing difficult and were worried about making mistakes. Also I am a conflict avoider (mostly) and try to find a way to resolve things without HUGE DRAMA!!11!!one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristo Meyers View Post
    You actually got to roll? Wow. Even having an imagination is usually reserved for level 15...16...godhood.
    I'm able to replicate a lesser version of it with a spell, although I can't cast more than about once a day and if I try to sustain it for more than 20 second I may go into a coma. Using it instead of an actual imagination also gives my rolls a -2 stress penalty, a -4 untrained penalty, a -1 visualisation penalty, a -1 concentration penalty and a -1 shaping penalty. If I want the mental image to be in 3-dimensional, then it's another -2 penalty (and I have to make an additional 'knowledge: geometry' roll).

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    Just thought of some thread titles, The SUE files III:

    Knowledge (alphabet, English, literature, computers) checks required to read this thread.

    You're not a high enough level to read this thread.

    Where craft (basket weaving) requires break-ins, tesla coils, and can kill you

    Science is wrong

    droning at 300 decibels

    Our sanity has gone the way of the dolphins and Antimony.

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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llehctim View Post
    DMing is very stressful when you are aware of the player's Scrutiny, and can take a while to get a good game idea. So while I had contemplated it, We had the issue of being unreliable at DMing since Trekking and I had courseloads that made GMing difficult and were worried about making mistakes. Also I am a conflict avoider (mostly) and try to find a way to resolve things without HUGE DRAMA!!11!!one.
    I've DM'd before (and made plenty of mistakes, sadly) and I know how stressful it can be. But I also know that a monkey on LSD could create a superior game than Marty's. Seriously, had you guys ever heard of a good game before this? I literally cannot comprehend willingly wasting precious leisure time playing something so mind-numbingly awful. My roleplaying group would stone me if I tried half of the stuff I'm reading about.

    What made you guys keep coming back to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry the 57th View Post
    I've DM'd before (and made plenty of mistakes, sadly) and I know how stressful it can be. But I also know that a monkey on LSD could create a superior game than Marty's. Seriously, had you guys ever heard of a good game before this? I literally cannot comprehend willingly wasting precious leisure time playing something so mind-numbingly awful. My roleplaying group would stone me if I tried half of the stuff I'm reading about.

    What made you guys keep coming back to this?
    Everyone with a better game quit running it because of schoolwork, and no, we hadn't, but I'm saving those games for after SUETHULU.

    Really, though, the larger answer is probably...this thread. Going to our school gives you an endless capacity for nonsense and a warped sense of normalcy; Marty was far from the worst person there, and certainly considerably humbler, kinder, and more sensible than the administration, so for a while we just thought of it as par for the course. Remember, I originally posted asking what I was doing wrong. By the time everyone here pointed out how anomalously bad it was, I had a reason to stick around and see it through, and so did the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekkin View Post
    Everyone with a better game quit running it because of schoolwork, and no, we hadn't, but I'm saving those games for after SUETHULU.

    Really, though, the larger answer is probably...this thread. Going to our school gives you an endless capacity for nonsense and a warped sense of normalcy; Marty was far from the worst person there, and certainly considerably humbler, kinder, and more sensible than the administration, so for a while we just thought of it as par for the course. Remember, I originally posted asking what I was doing wrong. By the time everyone here pointed out how anomalously bad it was, I had a reason to stick around and see it through, and so did the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry the 57th View Post
    Mein Gott...

    How the hell does anything so infested with megalomaniacal morons function as anything resembling a modern society? Are you secretly some kind of damned soul being punished in hell?
    It doesn't. Read the second half of this and tell me if it resembles a modern society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry the 57th View Post
    Mein Gott...

    How the hell does anything so infested with megalomaniacal morons function as anything resembling a modern society? Are you secretly some kind of damned soul being punished in hell?
    It does, if you see society like we do. The problem is one of declining funding mixed with a university president better at being accomplished than actually accomplishing anything, who insists on change for the sake of change until the alumni are alienated, the faculty are haunted and the students are bitterly cynical. The only thing stopping full-scale rioting is the knowledge that the only chance we have of a job that will get us out of debt is to graduate, and they have no compunction about finding a reason to expel anyone who so much as complains.

    You can feel it, you know, on campus. There's this undercurrent of mutual hatred, like everyone's just waiting for you to show your human side so they know where to stick the knife. There's never enough of anything for any but the best, so you have everyone desperately insisting that they are, for whatever reason, the best -- and this is why clubs are self-congratulatory fiefdoms ruled by egomaniacs, including student government. The idea is that anything you want, you must take from someone else, because there is none for you, so get good at taking, starting with credit --and everyone else already is, especially the people pretending to be interested in you. Not many people have friends there.

    EDIT: I still remember one of my freshman courses. "Look to your left. Look to your right. One in ten of you saw someone who deserves to be here."

    Marty was safe. He was so self-absorbed he never tried to ruin us. That makes him a pretty good guy, by our standards.
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    ....On the bright side, Trekkin is now perfectly prepared to run a game about Drow politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekkin View Post
    It does, if you see society like we do. The problem is one of declining funding mixed with a university president better at being accomplished than actually accomplishing anything, who insists on change for the sake of change until the alumni are alienated, the faculty are haunted and the students are bitterly cynical. The only thing stopping full-scale rioting is the knowledge that the only chance we have of a job that will get us out of debt is to graduate, and they have no compunction about finding a reason to expel anyone who so much as complains.

    You can feel it, you know, on campus. There's this undercurrent of mutual hatred, like everyone's just waiting for you to show your human side so they know where to stick the knife. There's never enough of anything for any but the best, so you have everyone desperately insisting that they are, for whatever reason, the best -- and this is why clubs are self-congratulatory fiefdoms ruled by egomaniacs, including student government. The idea is that anything you want, you must take from someone else, because there is none for you, so get good at taking, starting with credit --and everyone else already is, especially the people pretending to be interested in you. Not many people have friends there.

    EDIT: I still remember one of my freshman courses. "Look to your left. Look to your right. One in ten of you saw someone who deserves to be here."

    Marty was safe. He was so self-absorbed he never tried to ruin us. That makes him a pretty good guy, by our standards.
    Sigging this for being a prime example of a Chaotic Evil society in real life.

    Also, if Marty not trying to ruin you made him a good guy by your standards, what would that make yourself or Jin?

    And why are there positive student reviews of the school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekkin View Post
    Marty was far from the worst person there, and certainly considerably humbler, kinder, and more sensible than the administration, so for a while we just thought of it as par for the course. Remember, I originally posted asking what I was doing wrong. By the time everyone here pointed out how anomalously bad it was, I had a reason to stick around and see it through, and so did the others.
    I didn't think I'd ever hear anyone describe a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome relating to an RPG campaign, so you know...every day is a school day I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by llehctim View Post
    DMing is very stressful when you are aware of the player's Scrutiny, and can take a while to get a good game idea. So while I had contemplated it, We had the issue of being unreliable at DMing since Trekking and I had courseloads that made GMing difficult and were worried about making mistakes. Also I am a conflict avoider (mostly) and try to find a way to resolve things without HUGE DRAMA!!11!!one.
    The man thinks women get penalties to their wisdom when their boobs are damaged. This is not about DMing being stressful. This is a bad person.
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    And why are there positive student reviews of the school?
    Spite, maybe?
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    Trekkin seems to think that the school will track him down and lawsuit him if he actually says on the internet which school he attended as well as how miserable he was there/it is.

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    Spite, maybe?
    or perhaps schadenfreude?
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    The man thinks women get penalties to their wisdom when their boobs are damaged.
    It takes a special kind of person to decide that, in a world where mastectomies aren't uncommon, women are so defined by their breasts that injury sustained there would inflict permanent mental damage. I mean the charisma penalty - because of course there was a charisma penalty - is basic garden-variety misogyny, but that was taking it to a new level.

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    Basically, The Sue Files Part 3
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    The tragic part is that, under those conditions, Marty IS good people. Anybody who wouldn't stab you in the back or use you in some way is good people.


    The fact that there are places in the world that train people to become like that frightens me mightily. The fact that one of the few ways out of becoming like that is to be already so self-absorbed you don't bother seeing others as a threat is, frankly, existentially... like... ugh.

    I admit I'm curious as to what DMofDarkness was asking, though. If Marty's good by your standards, what're you and Jin by your standards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deffers View Post
    I admit I'm curious as to what DMofDarkness was asking, though. If Marty's good by your standards, what're you and Jin by your standards?
    Not a threat, and that was it. Everything else was kind of subservient to "will I regret this person knowing who I am?"

    And Deffers, the scary thing to me was how many people came already like that and prospered therein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    I just love how little sense it makes. "They never sell any nets, no one wants them. But they spend more than hte factory will earn in a million years on security. Because they will make profit anyway, since they have a monopoly, which is good."
    You forgot to include: "You are very lucky to even find a volleyball net factory as no one ever plays it anymore since baseball* is the superior sport."

    *baseball selected as I recall it being popular in Japan.

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    You forgot to include: "You are very lucky to even find a volleyball net factory as no one ever plays it anymore since baseball* is the superior sport."

    *baseball selected as I recall it being popular in Japan.
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    Why the hell didn't you transfer out and try to flee that hellhole? That's just...I'm just sitting here thanking God that my school's reputation as a pressure cooker actually resulted in the administration offering a fairly comprehensive mental health service, and that the worst thing I've encountered here is the cluster**** of student housing--and that isn't even entirely the administration's fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Why the hell didn't you transfer out and try to flee that hellhole? That's just...I'm just sitting here thanking God that my school's reputation as a pressure cooker actually resulted in the administration offering a fairly comprehensive mental health service, and that the worst thing I've encountered here is the cluster**** of student housing--and that isn't even entirely the administration's fault!
    Off topic: Your user name is oddly appropriate for this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Why the hell didn't you transfer out and try to flee that hellhole? That's just...I'm just sitting here thanking God that my school's reputation as a pressure cooker actually resulted in the administration offering a fairly comprehensive mental health service, and that the worst thing I've encountered here is the cluster**** of student housing--and that isn't even entirely the administration's fault!
    Transferring usually involves the administration, at least as far as keeping your transcript goes. Somehow I doubt Trekkin's school was any more competent in that department than any other one, so he would have been stuck as firmly as Dante's sinners.

    How they got enough influx of money to stay open with this level of dysfunction is beyond me.
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    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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