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    Default Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLV

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XLV. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Sunday, May 26th, 2013 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, June 1st 8th, 2013 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Draconomicon's Talon of Tiamat!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez optimiser!

    Contestants

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    Past Competitions

    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
    Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Troll in the Playground
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    FAQ:
    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.
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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Seriously???

    edit: well time to read up on this and see what I can cook
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    ha ha! I asked for this one a few rounds back. thanks, chairman, I'm in.
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
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    I'm in, too. This looks fun.
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    Only playing Tier 1s is like only eating in five-star restaurants [...] sometimes I just want a cheeseburger and some frogurt. Why limit yourself?
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    That's unexpected. Competing.

    EDIT: [nitpick] "it's" ALWAYS means "it is," rather than the possessive of "it." [/nitpick]
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    I... umm... what? I don't think I really know this one very well.

    *reads*

    Whoo boy. This was not what I'd expected. Probably competing, but we'll have to see how it goes.
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    Should I just completely and utterly dump elegance this time? I could either work on my ability to not utterly fail in that aspect (I'm learning a lot from the judges!), or shoot for scores of 5/5/1/5.

    Anyway. This one's tough. Everything is sort of...niche.

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    Already cooking up a build! This one came pretty easy once I got to thinking about it.

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    What made you decide on the SI this time Chairman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123456789blaaa View Post
    What made you decide on the SI this time Chairman?
    The Draconomicon was actually my first Dungeons and Dragon book that I bought for myself. I've wanted to use one of them for a while, and was this close to handing you guys Dragonkith.

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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Hmm, well I gotta take a look at this, but I am very likely in. Got the book, and I have so longed to use it.

    Maybe I can become a regular here. Everyone here seems cool and nice. Definitely feel welcome enough. Unless someone opposes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    That's unexpected. Competing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles View Post
    I... umm... what? I don't think I really know this one very well.

    *reads*

    Whoo boy. This was not what I'd expected. Probably competing, but we'll have to see how it goes.
    Damn. I caught Amph and Piggy by surprise?

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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    The Draconomicon was actually my first Dungeons and Dragon book that I bought for myself. I've wanted to use one of them for a while, and was this close to handing you guys Dragonkith.
    Thank God for that. Dragonkith just comes off as incredibly meh. Also, I am in.

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    If I can brew up something good I'll participate
    Last time I considered was also an awful Gish Prestige class, (Drow Judicator ), so let's hope the same fate isn't met here...
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    Okay, this time I'll be putting stuff up on google drive so it won't get lost. I'll be damned if I don't get to judge this time through my own incompetence.
    Got a couch, now for a dining room table.

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    Dude its all cool. Sucks you lost the work but I hope you got any important stuff back.

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    That's unexpected. Competing.

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    Gonna try competing again. Had an idea for this class as soon as I read it; now I just have to hope it's not terrible and/or totally obvious to everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    Damn. I caught Amph and Piggy by surprise?
    And here I thought Amph had gained Improved Uncanny Dodge as far as terrible PrCs were concerned.
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    Yeeeeeeahhhh, so far this Ingredient has me thoroughly underwhelmed. Chances that I'll have both an idea and time/motivation to hammer out an entry: minimal.

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    Wow is that really something? How long have you two been in all this? Now I'm curious. Storytime~!
    Well, Piggy is "just" a long-running participant (with a few impressive medals under his belt) ... but catching Amphetryon by surprise is really saying something, because he was the previous Chairman, and (IIRC) the longest-running Chairman at that. So he must have gone through lists of PrCs just considering their suitability for Iron Chef on more than one occasion.
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    The first game I ever played in had a Talon of Tiamat as a recurring villain. This one brings back memories, and I have every intention of having some fun with it. I'll be competing this go-round.

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    I think I've got my build stub worked out, just need to ensure that the Skills work out and then I can go to town.

    I was initially unsure about this PRC, but it has just seemed to fall into place in the last 10minutes.

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    I have a request for the Chairman.

    I love observing the Iron Chef threads. It really is amazing seeing the kinds of things people can create. I was wondering if it would be possible to put a link to the winning creation next to the previous link? That way the winners get even more credit and I get to be lazy and not search through a thousand posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azernak0 View Post
    I have a request for the Chairman.

    I love observing the Iron Chef threads. It really is amazing seeing the kinds of things people can create. I was wondering if it would be possible to put a link to the winning creation next to the previous link? That way the winners get even more credit and I get to be lazy and not search through a thousand posts
    That's actually a part of my Iron Chef Hall of Heroes project. The details for each round aren't up to date (and so far it only goes up to round XLII), but it has working links to the winning entry for each round up to that point in the thread's OP. Take a gander.
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    Haven't really had a good look at this PrC before. Reading over it, it's truly underwhleming. I doubt I'll get an entry in, but I will keep an eye on the comp.

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    Huh. This one doesn't seem too bad. Not great, but far from bad. I think I can come up with something.
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    Vaz: It was me, and I guessed wrong. I thiught you were The Custodian.

    This PrC is giving me some trouble. Nothing seems synergistic. I'm going to mull it over and probably have a rather late entry.

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    I actually have an idea I like, although it will require about fifteen more feats than my build stub currently gets...
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