Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLV

[The Viscount]

Thanks for finishing the pile, mattie_p. Now, hopefully a blissfully brief disputes period, then the reveal, and on to fretting about which PrC without Intimidate the Chairman selected for the next contest.

It's killing me trying to think of what it could be.

[Callin]

All I know is i am probably goin to remain a spectator.

[mattie_p]

Wow after I finished reading all over the judgings I learned a new thing!

Can you say what it was? I don't think revealing that would reveal your entry, as you've had time to read them all (I finally read all of Kayzan's).

Now, hopefully a blissfully brief disputes period

If by brief you mean a little over 24 hours, you'd be correct. I have a feeling I'm going to sit the next one out, tired of my books now. I didn't clock it, but I know I spent at least 24 hours in judging, or a little over an hour per competitor.

[dysprosium]

I would like to reiterate about the good job the judges did. My hat is off to you both!

I like when there are multiple judges to see the different styles. What one judge likes another may not necessarily like. It is interesting.

[thethird]

I actually did not know that there was a half dragon/draconic class advancement in races of the dragon.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it 3:30 something till the final time?

[Amphetryon]

All I know is i am probably goin to remain a spectator.

I'm only guessing, based on your comments from the first set of scores: Callin, don't be discouraged. Merely completing and submitting a build is an accomplishment to be proud of. This isn't for cash, or any particular prestige (pun intended), just for fun. Enjoy the process, including any lessons gleaned from the other entries and the responses of the judges.

[Callin]

Oh I know dude but I am really seeing that this competition just isnt right for me.

Edit: Its also not about where I place. Its about my expectation from ME and I am only competing against me. I have fallen so far short of that in 2 competitions now. That I feel I need to take a step back for a few mins. My reaction to the judging tells me this. Im competitive only against myself and how I feel I should be doing. I have fallen short.

[Kazyan]

If it's making you emotional, letting yourself cool off is a good idea. A min-maxing contest doesn't have to be stressful. I hope to see you compete again when you feel more confident.

[thethird]

I know what you mean, I feel like as contestants we pour a lot of time and thought on the builds. And we aren't perfect and we cannot transfer everything we thought to the judges. It gets frustrating sometimes. Alas it is life. And everyone works a lot it is nice to see what other people thought of and how you could improve the build. And to read the feedback, even if sometimes it sounds harsher than it actually is (but when written everything sounds hard, and our builds are our little children).

[Callin]

Also since I have not said this yet and I feel like a heel for not saying it.

Thank You Judges. For all the hardwork and long hours yall put into doing this.

[yugi24862]

I just hope there are less entrants into the next competition. 20+ builds really puts strain on judges.

[mattie_p]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it 3:30 something till the final time?

I... guess you are right. I assumed the typical two weeks for judgment, but I was off by a day.

[The Viscount]

Looks like the dispute period will be brief by default, then.

[GreenSerpent]

I might apply for the next one. Been busy and all, but my imagination has been fermenting like a keg of beer.

[Piggy Knowles]

Thanks, mattie_p! Again, hats off - this was a heck of a contest to get through.

Re: disputes, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I know that in at least one contest, Amph extended the deadline until a judge could respond to disputes (maybe Death Delver?). And if Kuulvheysoon decides to end on time, I still think it'll be fine - from scanning over things, it looks like you've judged things consistently across the board.

Thanks again for judging!

[thethird]

Well I had a minor nitpick but I don't feel like people should wait to get it resolved, so if it is the only one ignore it (I totally failed at reading and now I feel bad for my nitpick being more minor and more stupid that I thought; problem is that I already pmd the chairman).

[Amphetryon]

Well I had a minor nitpick but I don't feel like people should wait to get it resolved, so if it is the only one ignore it (I totally failed at reading and now I feel bad for my nitpick being more minor and more stupid that I thought; problem is that I already pmd the chairman).

He may feel it too minor to bring up, or may choose to address it privately, if it's really just a silly little thing.

[nobodez]

Yeah, the differences between the rankings were stark.

Thanks to both our great judges.👍👍

[mattie_p]

Well I had a minor nitpick but I don't feel like people should wait to get it resolved, so if it is the only one ignore it (I totally failed at reading and now I feel bad for my nitpick being more minor and more stupid that I thought; problem is that I already pmd the chairman).

If it is due to my judging and we move on shortly, feel free to PM me. I already had one competitor pm me (no, I won't say who) and we resolved it. We usually discuss for a few days after the competition officially closes, disputing scores is part of the deal, and why I took so long.

I really wanted to ensure even judging across the board, to the point where I did my initial overview from top to bottom, the 2nd reading/actual judging in a random order using dice, and the final review/UoSI from bottom to top.

[thethird]

Oh well I guess I'll pm then.

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pm'ed

[The Viscount]

I really wanted to ensure even judging across the board, to the point where I did my initial overview from top to bottom, the 2nd reading/actual judging in a random order using dice, and the final review/UoSI from bottom to top.

That is a level of thoroughness I could not ask for. Many thanks. You've definitely earned time off from the judging draft for quite some time.

[thethird]

Nitpick clarified thanks mattie-p for your great work once again. And Kuulv ignore my nitpick pm

[mattie_p]

The Judge Speaks:

Oh, and one more super minor question:

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It seems like the bonus for using a class that no one else used was a little inconsistent. For example, you gave Emrys of Ludd a quarter point each for knight and death delver. You gave a quarter point for no one else using thrall of juiblex, but also no one else used shadowcaster or cleric.

Again, this is super minor, and I'm not asking for a score change, just your thoughts. And not trying to pick on anyone else - Emrys of Ludd was probably my favorite build this contest! Just wondering if there was a particular reason why there was only a quarter point on that end.

Thanks again!

I do owe you a quarter point on shadowcaster, and thank you for pointing that out, but I don't think I will award points for the cleric dip in originality.

Please award The Dead Mists an additional +.25 in originality, those of you who are maintaining the tables.

[thethird]

table updated. The three way tie at 1st place makes me chuckle. I picture all three characters in a podium fighting to stand at the top, and then MODDOKH COMES AND BURNS PUNY CONTESTANTS.

[Kazyan]

MODDOKH BREAK TIE TO PIECES AND BURN IT TO ASH.

[The Viscount]

If it's not too much to ask, could you edit your judgings to reflect points added? It'll make cataloguing easier for the Iron Chef archive.

[Piggy Knowles]

If it's not too much to ask, could you edit your judgings to reflect points added? It'll make cataloguing easier for the Iron Chef archive.

+1 to this! My goodness does this make things easier on that end.

And thanks again for your time, and being so accommodating even down to the wire (less than fifteen minutes to go!).

[mattie_p]

+1 to this! My goodness does this make things easier on that end.

And thanks again for your time, and being so accommodating even down to the wire (less than fifteen minutes to go!).

I think my original judging post is updated. Please doublecheck my edit, and my maths, especially on Dead Mists who I just corresponded with. Someone do the table, as well. Thanks

[thethird]

Ding a ding ding. We have a development, the dead mist packed a punch at the last minute and ascended clearly ahead. Table updated.

[mattie_p]

Ding a ding ding. We have a development, the dead mist packed a punch at the last minute and ascended clearly ahead. Table updated.

Might as well re-post table