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    Default Let's Vote Up a Subsystem! (3.5e) [Part 6: Base Class Concepts!]

    OK, so I was inspired by the recent influx of Voting Up things, so I decided that it'd be a swell idea to, well, Vote Up a Subsystem! After all, everyone knows Magic and Psionics, Incarnum isn't too unheard of, and quite a lot of people know a bunch about Tome of Battle!

    But then, there are whole bunches of really cool homebrewed subsystems, such as Spellshaping, Radiance, the Akashic Records, and probably a whole lot more!

    So, first up: the general "type" of subsystem:

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    {table=head]Votes|Type
    0|Magic
    2|Psionics
    8|Science
    6|Martial
    2|Fortune-Telling
    1|Socialization
    1|Truenaming
    3|Bodymodding/Shapeshifting/Evolutionism
    1|Art
    1|Summoning
    -|Other (Each unique "Other" will get its own point on the table, so please specify!)[/table]


    Have fun! Voting on part one is now OVER! You've chosen: SCIENCE!

    Now for part two: the Source of this science.

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    {table=head]Votes|Source
    6|Particles
    8|Biology
    1|Geology
    5|Astronomy
    9|Chemistry
    9|Engineering
    9|Physics
    4|Psychology
    3|Pseudo-Science
    4|Alchemy
    2|Economics
    1|Mathematics
    1|Phrenology
    0|Other[/table]


    Voting on Part 2 is OVER! You've chosen, by way of a three-way tie (rendering the "top three" thing moot), Chemistry, Engineering, and Physics!

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    Part three will be centered around the interaction between the three sources, and how they contribute to each other!

    {table=head]Votes|Interaction
    2|Equal Combination of all three Sources
    3|Sources Separate but Intertwined
    0|One Dominant Source, Other Two Sources Contributing
    2|Equal Combination of Two Sources, Last Source Submissive
    0|One Dominant Source, One Intermediate Source, One Submissive Source[/table]

    This will be lasting until approximately 5:00 PM to 8:00 PM CDT on Tuesday, June 4th! (And I know I missed my own deadline for this last round, haha.)


    Round three: complete! You selected: Sources Separate but Intertwined! This means that they all function similarly, but with different applications! So, to reverse-engineer how they function...

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    Round four will be Applications! That means, what will each source be used for? Because of the topic, we'll have three separate polls!

    {table=head]Chemistry|
    Votes|Application
    1|Healing
    1|Destruction
    6|Buffing
    1|Invention
    1|Transmutation
    -|Other[/table]

    {table=head]Engineering|
    Votes|Application
    3|Constructs
    4|Building
    1|Connection
    2|Invention
    -|Other[/table]

    {table=head]Physics|
    Votes|Application
    2|Traps
    2|Tactics
    1|Combos
    2|Destruction
    3|Buffs/Debuffs
    -|Other[/table]

    So, deadline majorly ignored this time, so I'm just gonna say that this round will end at some point in time between 1:00 PM and 7:30 PM CDT on Thursday, June 13th! Get voting!


    Alright, part four's voting is over! You chose, Buffing for Chemistry, Building for Engineering, and Buffs/Debuffs for Physics!

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    Now, part five: Mechanic! This will be how the buffs and construction will be carried out! Now, one note is that the buffs (and debuffs) and construction will all be used by all (main) base classes of this subsystem. So, the buffing/debuffing will have one mechanic for both Chemistry and Physics nope, they're separate!, while there will be a single mechanic for Engineering, so as to have relative simplicity.

    {table=head]Buffing (Chemistry)|
    Votes|Mechanic
    4|Per-Day Points.
    0|Action-Replenishable Points.
    0|Per-Day Abilities.
    0|Action-Replenishable Abilities.
    -|Other[/table]

    {table=head]Buffing (Physics)|
    Votes|Mechanic
    0|Per-Day Points.
    0|Action-Replenishable Points.
    0|Per-Day Abilities.
    0|Action-Replenishable Abilities.
    4|Per-Encounter Actions
    -|Other[/table]


    {table=head]Building/Construction|
    Votes|Mechanic
    1|Points/Day
    0|Creations/Day
    0|Creations/Day and Points/Day
    0|Creations/Day and Points/(Other Time Period)
    2|Creation Limit and Redistributable Points
    1|Creations/Time
    -|Other[/table]

    So, because I've neglected this, and never put in the enddate for the round, and because my school's summer semester has started up, the enddate for this round is Saturday, June 22nd, sometime between 4:00 PM and 8:00 PM CDT.


    OK, Part 5 is over! I'm really sorry, I forgot what day it was... somehow. Alright, Chemistry utilizes Points/Day, Physics utilizes Actions/Encounter, and Engineering utilizes Creation Limit and Redistributable Points!

    For Part 6, it's a sort of free-for-all round, and a bit of gateway to the next "round", so to speak. Anyone can put in as many concepts for Base Classes that use the three parts of this system as they can manage, and we'll decide on three! I'll be putting in my own thoughts for classes as we go (to make sure I remember, hehe), and the deadline for these concepts will be, let's say...

    Wednesday, July 10th, sometime between 3:00 PM and 8:00 PM, CDT (I want to give about two weeks, but I'm out of town from the third to the seventh, then have work on the 8th, so the 10th seemed like a good enough day. uvu)
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    I think martial shouldn't need its own subsystem...
    and I'd like to be able to use these in my games, so I'm gonna vote psionics. Something less obscenely overpowered than core.
    (I might change this vote later...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    I think martial shouldn't need its own subsystem...
    and I'd like to be able to use these in my games, so I'm gonna vote psionics. Something less obscenely overpowered than core.
    (I might change this vote later...)
    Well, this will be trying to be as balanced as possible, and it won't be standard psionics if that wins, because, well, it's an entirely new subsystem. I mean, there are probably four or so drastically different forms of using magic, so why can't there be an entirely new spin on psionics? :3 I do appreciate the vote, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caledscratcher View Post
    Well, this will be trying to be as balanced as possible, and it won't be standard psionics if that wins, because, well, it's an entirely new subsystem. I mean, there are probably four or so drastically different forms of using magic, so why can't there be an entirely new spin on psionics? :3 I do appreciate the vote, though!
    Yes, I know it would be a new system. There are already enough magic systems for me, though, and there aren't nearly as many psionics systems.

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    For Science!

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    Martial. Kind of needs a better system than I hit it with my axe. And ToB contains too much weabo fightin' magics for my taste
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    Other: Socialization, so there's more to diplomacy than a single roll and it is more dynamic if rolling is something one is fond of.
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    Should I contribute to this? I mean, besides writing stuff for almost every published subsystem out there, my veins run with new subsystems, for damn sure.

    Anyway, I vote SCIENCE
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    I vote Other: Truenaming. Make it a skill for other classes and then develop it into a functioning aspect of the game that anyone can use.
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    1Ozodrin's Formpoints
    2Gramarie
    3Psi
    4Science

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjadeadbeard View Post
    I vote Other: Truenaming. Make it a skill for other classes and then develop it into a functioning aspect of the game that anyone can use.
    People have already done truenaming fixes. Why don't we do something shiny sparkly new?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirpercival View Post
    People have already done truenaming fixes. Why don't we do something shiny sparkly new?
    Huh...maybe we should make a subsystem based on shininess and sparklyness

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    Okay, current votes all tallied up! I listed Ozodrin Formpoints as "Bodymodding/Shapeshifting" because that's the general feel I got from that concept, and the point is to make a whole new subsystem!

    Oh, and Note: If you have multiple ideas for "Other", throw them all in! The more the merrier, amirite?

    Oh, and sirpercival, it would be an honor to be able to work with you on whatever parts you're willing to assist with! I really mean it. :3

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    I vote for a new martial subsystem. I love tome of battle, but I think we can do better than just porting over the "vancian casting" system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caledscratcher View Post
    Okay, current votes all tallied up! I listed Ozodrin Formpoints as "Bodymodding/Shapeshifting" because that's the general feel I got from that concept, and the point is to make a whole new subsystem!

    Oh, and Note: If you have multiple ideas for "Other", throw them all in! The more the merrier, amirite?

    Oh, and sirpercival, it would be an honor to be able to work with you on whatever parts you're willing to assist with! I really mean it. :3
    Oh I assumed you were looking to expand.
    In that case I vote Psionic/Gramarie/Ozodrin/Evolutionist/ToB/Science (Left to right instant runoff), or I just vote to make Tag Tricks as they are WIP/PEACH http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...php?p=15228355
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    Alright, I added evolutionism and tagging to the chart, but there's something that I feel needs clarification:

    This is not going to be an expansion of anything! It's taking a general category and making an entirely new system out of it. As a preview of what's to come (and a further example), Round 2 is "Source", I.e. where that power comes from. So if Psionics wins round 1, we might wind up having the source of Courage or Bonds or Empathy, while still maintaining the psionic feel! If Martial wins Round 1, we could have the source of Tattoos or Consumption or Patterns, while maintaining Martial-ness!

    Thank you all for voting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caledscratcher View Post
    Oh, and sirpercival, it would be an honor to be able to work with you on whatever parts you're willing to assist with! I really mean it. :3
    Well, then. Lol. An honor? Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by caledscratcher View Post
    Alright, I added evolutionism and tagging to the chart, but there's something that I feel needs clarification:

    This is not going to be an expansion of anything! It's taking a general category and making an entirely new system out of it. As a preview of what's to come (and a further example), Round 2 is "Source", I.e. where that power comes from. So if Psionics wins round 1, we might wind up having the source of Courage or Bonds or Empathy, while still maintaining the psionic feel! If Martial wins Round 1, we could have the source of Tattoos or Consumption or Patterns, while maintaining Martial-ness!

    Thank you all for voting!
    Hm... I'm not sure that Gramarie should be on the list, then... unless we're trying to reinvent it as something else? That sounds hellishly complicated.
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    Ah, well, in retrospect, reinventing gramarie is kind-of... not a very good plan, in my mind. I wasn't really thinking and pictured it as Magicsience, but that would be achieved if magic and science got equal votes in the voting, so it's quite redundant...

    Hm, yeah, gramarie won't be on the chart any more. Also, @sirpercival, I'm a big fan of your work, and I'd love to be able to collaborate with you. uvu

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    Quote Originally Posted by caledscratcher View Post
    Ah, well, in retrospect, reinventing gramarie is kind-of... not a very good plan, in my mind. I wasn't really thinking and pictured it as Magicsience, but that would be achieved if magic and science got equal votes in the voting, so it's quite redundant...

    Hm, yeah, gramarie won't be on the chart any more. Also, @sirpercival, I'm a big fan of your work, and I'd love to be able to collaborate with you. uvu
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    Ok, update in regards to categories: Gramarie was removed, Evolutionism was merged with Bodymodding/Shapeshifting, and Tagging was changed to Art so that it'd be more general (and therefore, fitting!)

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    Throwing in my vote for martial for an option other then ToB.





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    If psionics does not get another vote soon, then I will change my vote to martial. But not yet, let's wait and see...
    Yay, another vote for psions!
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    I'll vote for Fortune-Telling, with a bit more of a 'shapes fate' flavor than a 'sees fate' one.
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    I'll vote for Psionics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydos View Post
    I'll vote for Psionics!
    Wooo!! Let's take down those materialistic martialists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    Wooo!! Let's take down those materialistic martialists!
    Meh psionics was my second choice anyway.
    It would be interesting to see how a new subsystem would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyvernLord View Post
    Meh psionics was my second choice anyway.
    It would be interesting to see how a new subsystem would work.
    Yea, I'd be pretty happy with a martial subsystem too. There are nice homebrew martial classes which don't use any subsystems, but I still think it would be nice to have one, and ToB doesn't really cut it for me.

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    my vote goes to science!:)
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    Fortune Telling! I'm curious to see what can be done with it.

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    I'll throw in my vote for Science.
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