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    Welcome one and all to the fourteenth Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful) builds, summoning a savory dish of superb swordplay and sublime sorcery.

    The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!

    For the fourteenth challenge get ready to lay waste to your enemies' hearths and homes, from Races of the Wild, it's the Whisperknife!

    Our challengers will have about 2 weeks to build a complete build from levels 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official WOTC D&D 3.5 materials (excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Whisperknife without actually using any levels in it.

    Entries must be submitted by Sunday, 11:59pm GMT, 9 June, 2013. As usual, please submit your entries via private message to the chairman, so as not to influence the other sauciers.

    Judges will then have until Sunday, 11:59pm GMT, 23 June, 2013, to post scores for all dishes.

    Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;

    * Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
    * Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
    * Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
    * Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)

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    Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.

    Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use leadership, as we don't want to overfeed the judges.

    Previous challenges;
    1. Soulknife
    2. Bard
    3. Monk
    4. Assassin
    5. Barbarian
    6. Warlock
    7. Paladin
    8. Warblade
    9. Pyrokineticist
    10. Ninja
    11. Druid
    12. True Necromancer
    13. Dervish


    A few administrative notes:

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    Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.

    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.

    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, may lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.

    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes, but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while I am chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.
    A few threads for your amusement/edification:

    Handy Tips for the Iron Chef in the Playground Noob
    Past judging criteria (sample only, feel free to use your own)
    How one judge went about judging

    Level adjustment buy-off (from Unearthed Arcana) is expressly prohibited, because this is an ECL 20 build. You are not granted a set experience point total to use.

    This competition is inspired by the Playground Iron Chef Competitions and uses mostly identical rules.


    Also it comes with double prize money.

    Allez Sauciers!
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    So now you're claiming that spellcasting "lacks a clear, supernatural element?" Being supernatural is literally the only point of magic.

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    This seems promising....

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    Do I observe correctly from previous competitions that lengthy fluff sections are less de rigueur in this contest than in IC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattie_p View Post

    Also it comes with double prize money.
    This makes me going to enter this one! Too good to pass up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_S View Post
    Do I observe correctly from previous competitions that lengthy fluff sections are less de rigueur in this contest than in IC?
    I do believe you are correct. We enjoy a story here, but we haven't experienced the novelization trend seen in recent Iron Chef competitions.
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    So now you're claiming that spellcasting "lacks a clear, supernatural element?" Being supernatural is literally the only point of magic.

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    This one has a looot of stuff that looks difficult to replicate. Oh boy. I'll see what I can do.

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    You do that. While we're at it, let's see if we can't drum up some judges.
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    So now you're claiming that spellcasting "lacks a clear, supernatural element?" Being supernatural is literally the only point of magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazyan View Post
    This one has a looot of stuff that looks difficult to replicate. Oh boy. I'll see what I can do.
    This one is actually looking easier. I think my levels are done. The vengeful strike is better replicated by it using something better.
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    All gaming systems should be terribly flawed and exploitable if you want everyone to be happy with them. This allows for a wide variety of power levels for games for different levels of players.
    I dub this the Snowbluff Axiom.

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    If your levels are done in hours, Snowbluff, that might be a sign you are doing it wrong.

    Best try again. Submit that entry, and then do another one or two for good measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattie_p View Post
    If your levels are done in hours, Snowbluff, that might be a sign you are doing it wrong.

    Best try again. Submit that entry, and then do another one or two for good measure.
    I just work really fast.

    Some of these just click. If it was warblade I wouldn't have an answer for you.
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    I dub this the Snowbluff Axiom.

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    We did warblade a few rounds ago. Next one will be another base class, I think. Unless I choose that PrC. So many choices.
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    Submitted. I might lose some points in power, but I hope to make up for it in the other three categories.

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    So I needed to post an update, we had our first build submitted, I think you'll all be surprised when you see it. Is anyone else working on one, or did you all get distracted by Tippy's Terrible Trial?
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    I'm working on one too. Should be submitted sooner than later.

    Tippy's Terrible Trial intrigued me but I've been focusing on Zinc Saucier. I love these by the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattie_p View Post
    So I needed to post an update, we had our first build submitted, I think you'll all be surprised when you see it. Is anyone else working on one, or did you all get distracted by Tippy's Terrible Trial?
    I wasn't. I hate monks.
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    I dub this the Snowbluff Axiom.

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    I wasn't. I hate monks.
    Oh, you should have done our monk round, then. Too bad you missed it. It was fun.

    I wonder if I should do a base class again next round. Hrm.
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    I'll have to dig out my copy of RotW, but I seem to recall liking the fluff of this one. I might enter something - I've got a little over a week, so we'll see what I can cook up.

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    I'll judge this one. I like the idea, and I've been enjoying reading these for a while. I might as well share what I have to think about them this time.

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    Hmmm. I'll have to try this one. I'm not sure how original my idea will be, but we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon View Post
    I'll have to dig out my copy of RotW, but I seem to recall liking the fluff of this one. I might enter something - I've got a little over a week, so we'll see what I can cook up.
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    I'll judge this one. I like the idea, and I've been enjoying reading these for a while. I might as well share what I have to think about them this time.
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    Hmmm. I'll have to try this one. I'm not sure how original my idea will be, but we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattie_p View Post
    It's been a while since you last participated. What was it, Paladin?
    Indeed - I judges then, too (another solo-judge). The last time I submitted, however, was back in Warlock.

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    I would be willing to judge if you will accept me.
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    Well, bother. I had a whole build done until I realized I was looking at the Wildrunner rather than the Whisperknife.

    I'll still try to get one in on time, though.

    Maybe Wildrunner could be the next entry?
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    Hmm, might do it.

    It's really kinda pitiful that you can replicate about half of the classes features for a couple of feats and a few thousand GP.
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    Hmmm. Would being a non-halfling take a hit in score?
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    That depends on the judges, Jeff the Green. Humble master, we'd be glad to have you.

    As far as upcoming classes, I'll consider it, as I do all of the suggestions. Just like the iron chef chairman, though, I make no promises to do it any time soon.
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    If I don't have an entry this time, I'll happily judge instead.

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    Alright, I've got an idea. Now, let's see if I can put it to paper (so to speak) before the deadline...

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    About 4 days until the deadline, how are my competitors doing? Been a slow round, it seems.
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