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    Default Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLVI

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XLVI. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Sunday, June 22th, 2013 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, July 6th, 2013 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Planar Handbook’s Cipher Adept!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez optimiser!

    Contestants

    Judges

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
    Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
    Iron Chef XLV: Talon of Tiamat
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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    FAQ:
    What's this even about? I'm glad you asked, actually...

    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    Does Alignment: Neutral mean... It means True Neutral.
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    Avatar by Iron Penguin.

    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Oh, wow. Definitely in.
    Iron Chef in the Playground veteran since Round IV. Play as me!


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    Oh dear... And I thought that the Talon was hard... One question though since the alignment doesn't say any neutral I assume it is True Neutral isn't it?
    Thanks a lot Gengy for the awesome... just a sec... avatar. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethird View Post
    Oh dear... And I thought that the Talon was hard... One question though since the alignment doesn't say any neutral I assume it is True Neutral isn't it?
    Oh yeah. True Neutral it is, friend.

    And it is supposed to be a Challenge, isn't it?

    Avatar by Iron Penguin.

    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    This ingredient peeves me.

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    You... I... What is this thing?!
    I don't think I'll be able to enter this round.

    On a side note, that art.
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    Only playing Tier 1s is like only eating in five-star restaurants [...] sometimes I just want a cheeseburger and some frogurt. Why limit yourself?
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    I might have something to work with. We will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    So now you're claiming that spellcasting "lacks a clear, supernatural element?" Being supernatural is literally the only point of magic.

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    I actually have an idea! It might be a bit tricky to work with.

    Though now I'm going to need a bowl of frozen yoghurt, a blueberry muffin, a plastic bag, my collie dog and quite a lot of anime as part of the character creation process.
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    Really though, how effin scary would the beach be if an octopus could launch itself outta the water at a 200' move speed every 6 seconds. I'd never go to the beach again... I thought flying sharks were scary...

    Blood~

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    Well, I'm away from book right now, so I'll have to check whether I think I can do one, but considering I did better than halfway on the previous round, I likely will shoot for this one too.
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    Wow ... haha ... I'm powerfully tempted to take a shot at this round, purely out of masochism.
    You can call me Draz.
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    I am willing to give it a try...

    Also, hi.

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    this class is horrifyingly bad. I've never even heard of it before. it's somehow like a more underwhelming version of initiate of the draconic mysteries.

    tentatively in to cook.
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
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    I am willing to give it a try...

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    I think that's the best skill list I've ever seen on a class that only gets 2 + INT skills.

    And yeah, wow is this underwhelming. I can honestly say I think I'd rather be a straight Monk.
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    It's like they took all of the bad parts of the Monk and made it into a PrC. Just ew.

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    Y'all can thank Piggy for this one - I didn't even know that it existed until he pointed it out as a suggestion a couple of contests ago.

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    Never heard of that prc, i'm almost tempted to try finding it online just to see how bad it is from the descriptions. In vague terms, are there any real prospects for optimizing it, or is it just plain terrible?
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    Never heard of that prc, i'm almost tempted to try finding it online just to see how bad it is from the descriptions. In vague terms, are there any real prospects for optimizing it, or is it just plain terrible?
    It is quite literally as bad as they say it is, but the skill list is pretty nice.
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    This really should have been a Zinc Saucier secret ingredient. I'm jealous that you got to it first.
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    So I have no ability to cook to the level this requires but.. Am I reading it correctly that since this lists 'neutral' Monks are out of the question since they require lawful?

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    This really should have been a Zinc Saucier secret ingredient. I'm jealous that you got to it first.
    You could just take Monk 20 and then change your alignment.

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    So I have no ability to cook to the level this requires but.. Am I reading it correctly that since this lists 'neutral' Monks are out of the question since they require lawful?
    You could probably still do it, but the judges might dock you for elegance. Monks don't lose any class abilities by changing alignment, they just can't advance any further.
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    So I have no ability to cook to the level this requires but.. Am I reading it correctly that since this lists 'neutral' Monks are out of the question since they require lawful?
    Unless you're an ex-monk, yes.

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    So I have no ability to cook to the level this requires but.. Am I reading it correctly that since this lists 'neutral' Monks are out of the question since they require lawful?
    Without going into specifics, judges in the past have looked askance at alignment changes. Alignment changes exist in the rules, but may be penalized for elegance at the judges discretion. I will say no more, as even this might be pushing it.

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    Ah, my apologies. I'm trying my hand at building characters, not to submit just to see what I come up with, and wasn't sure if 'Neutral' meant any neutral or true neutral.

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    Ah, my apologies. I'm trying my hand at building characters, not to submit just to see what I come up with, and wasn't sure if 'Neutral' meant any neutral or true neutral.
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    The first Iron Chef that I have enough time to actually participate in, and this is the special ingredient? Hoo boy. I'll give it a shot and pray the judges are lenient this round.
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    This really should have been a Zinc Saucier secret ingredient. I'm jealous that you got to it first.
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    You could just take Monk 20 and then change your alignment.
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    The first Iron Chef that I have enough time to actually participate in, and this is the special ingredient? Hoo boy. I'll give it a shot and pray the judges are lenient this round.
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    All I can come up with is stuff for creativity. And besides that, the alignment requirements are putting a wrench in every plan I have laid out... hm. It's rough!

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    So why'd you pick this PRC to be the SI?

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