League of Legends XLIX: Why are there snowballs in a jungle?!?!?

[TheShrike]

I'm nothing, with no LP and no wins.

[NineThePuma]

That's a lie. You're seeding.

[ex cathedra]

Remember how the old passive could do this?

is that even relevant? nunu ult isn't unbalanced because it one-shots teams at 1k ap.

there are numerous numerical changes that could have re-tuned his early game damage. i'm of the opinion that this sort of change (outright replacing abilities) should be a last resort, especially given the outright mediocrity of the new passive.

[Nadevoc]

is that even relevant? nunu ult isn't unbalanced because it one-shots teams at 1k ap.

there are numerous numerical changes that could have re-tuned his early game damage. i'm of the opinion that this sort of change (outright replacing abilities) should be a last resort, especially given the outright mediocrity of the new passive.

The devs stated that to get it to what they'd consider a healthy power level, they would have had to absolutely neuter the passive... on the lines of each application doing 2-3 damage at level one. So Twitch passive but not true damage and without a nuke to explode it.

With that considered, swapping out the passive strikes me as a much better option.

[ex cathedra]

the balance team's idea of a healthy power level is not above reproach

[Joran]

Season 3 World Championships coming to LA's Staples Center

The more interesting note was the berths listed:

NA: 3
EU: 3
Korea: 3
SE Asia: 2
China: 2
International wild card: 1

So, Korea won an extra berth from the All-Stars, but yet only got the same number of slots as NA and EU.

I'd have preferred more wild cards and one less berth towards the NA/EU.

[Nadevoc]

the balance team's idea of a healthy power level is not above reproach

No, but it's the power level that things are going to be balanced to, whether that's above reproach or not.

[Ivellius]

is that even relevant? nunu ult isn't unbalanced because it one-shots teams at 1k ap.

there are numerous numerical changes that could have re-tuned his early game damage. i'm of the opinion that this sort of change (outright replacing abilities) should be a last resort, especially given the outright mediocrity of the new passive.

I wonder why they didn't do the more obvious thing and tone down his Q damage. Maybe they felt like it was needed for late-game power, but...eh, I don't know.

Draven's current passive is not good, though--it's literally useless if you don't get kills. That's not a good design.

The Jayce rework excites me. I wish Riot would do things like that more often--it's about time they realized that unless they change up his poke no one will ever play him differently.

[Forrestfire]

So, I got into a game today and ended up jungling, and since I'm tired and decided it was probably a bad idea to play this late anyway (since I'm half asleep), I picked rammus and made it the plan to go stupidly deep.

So I went and did my normal jungle path, and four minutes and four ganks later, Thresh had four kills and vayne had one. Whoops

It still put them ahead enough, so I decided to go tower dive top lane a bunch of times so Cho could land feast.

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[Nadevoc]

I wonder why they didn't do the more obvious thing and tone down his Q damage. Maybe they felt like it was needed for late-game power, but...eh, I don't know.

Draven's current passive is not good, though--it's literally useless if you don't get kills. That's not a good design.

The Jayce rework excites me. I wish Riot would do things like that more often--it's about time they realized that unless they change up his poke no one will ever play him differently.

They decided that the Q damage was much more iconic to Draven and felt better for the user. Either way, you're doing more damage when you hit with Q, it was just a matter of whether it happened in one big, noticeable chunk or in a big noticeable chunk followed by smaller, less noticeable ticks.

[Thomas Cardew]

Someone remind when season 3 ends? Or did someone post it and I'm just blind?

[ex cathedra]

No, but it's the power level that things are going to be balanced to, whether that's above reproach or not.

for the time being, yes, but nerfs have been reverted before. not offering criticism doesn't make that any more likely. the diana range nerfs, for instance, were the sort of large-scale mechanical changes that don't sit well with people and they made the champion significantly less satisfying to play.

if it's more damage on Q either way, why does it matter if early ranks of Q have their damage shaved off? you could just flatten out his Q scaling so that it's lower at rank 1 but has higher per-rank gains such that it evens out at rank 5. you could touch his base AD. you could eviscerate the dot's base damage but give it bonus AD scaling. you could give the passive a maximum number of stacks. you could decrease its duration.

yeah, i don't really see the rationale behind "removing his passive altogether will feel better for the user."

[Forrestfire]

I think it's November. You've got time.

[Nadevoc]

for the time being, yes, but nerfs have been reverted before. not offering criticism doesn't make that any more likely. the diana range nerfs, for instance, were the sort of large-scale mechanical changes that don't sit well with people and they made the champion significantly less satisfying to play.

if it's more damage on Q either way, why does it matter if early ranks of Q have their damage shaved off? you could just flatten out his Q scaling so that it's lower at rank 1 but has higher per-rank gains such that it evens out at rank 5. you could touch his base AD. you could eviscerate the dot's base damage but give it bonus AD scaling. you could give the passive a maximum number of stacks. you could decrease its duration.

yeah, i don't really see the rationale behind "removing his passive altogether will feel better for the user."

The passive was replaced, not just removed. I fail to see how a passive that's "more damage on Q" is so much more interesting than the new one.

[Wolf_Haley]

4. No, seriously. A lot of Jayce's power is locked up in really obtuse cases.

A little bit of why Jayce is so powerful in competitive play and not so much in regular play is the sheer amount of edge cases you have to abuse to get mileage out of Jayce. While some could argue this is mechanical mastery of the champion - a lot of it is simply unintuitive fodder that we should clean up so that his actual intuitive combos are powerful.

Man, I have a hard time taking this company seriously.

[toasty]

So I feel like issuing a general challenge to the thread:

Accrue 100 solo queue ranked wins between now and the end of the season.

If you're in, post with your current tier/division/LP and wins.

I'm Gold V, with 29 LP and 160 wins. Try to keep up.

I've already got like 250 wins I think. Might be games. *check* 500 games, 250ish wins.

I missed Vulcun v C9 because I instead decided to give myself a headache listening to Cannabis Corpse while moshing. It was probably worth it.

[Siosilvar]

So I feel like issuing a general challenge to the thread:

Accrue 100 solo queue ranked wins between now and the end of the season.

If you're in, post with your current tier/division/LP and wins.

I'm Gold V, with 29 LP and 160 wins. Try to keep up.

100 wins in ~4 months? Should be doable, and I don't have anything better to do (I say, with full knowledge that junior year starts in a month and a half).

Bronze II, 83 LP, 14 wins.

[Forrestfire]

I decided I'm gonna track it in my sig, so I don't forget.

If anyone wants to join me/standardize it, I'm using:

[SIZE="1"][URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15601454&postcount=1042"]League of Legends S3 Ranked Challenge:[/URL] <#>/100 wins, <Tier> <Division>[/SIZE]

[Godskook]

People I know are in the challenge so far:

{table=head]Forum Name|Current placement|Starting wins|Progress

abadguy | Placement | 0 | 0/100
Anarion | Bronze I, 93 LP | 40 | 0/100
Darius Macab | Bronze I, 13 LP | 10 | 0/100
Dragonus45 | Silver IV, 2 LP | 104 | 0/100
Duos | Silver III, 91 LP | 112 | 0/100
Eldariel | Platinum I, 0 LP | 74 | 0/100
Endoperez | Silver V, 82 LP | 51 | 0/100
Epinephrine_Syn | Silver IV, 34 LP | 7 | 0/100
Forrestfire | Silver V, 3 LP | 95 | 0/100
Gimliggamer | Silver IV, 2 LP | 78 | 0/100
Grytorm | Bronze II, 58 LP | 16 | 0/100
Godskook | Gold V, 29 LP | 160 | 0/100
Ivellius | Silver III, 29 LP | 15 | 0/100
Kris on a Stick | Silver V, 100 LP | 33 | 0/100
Lord Khaine | Silver III, 91 LP | 30 | 0/100
MathMage | Platinum V, 23 LP | 36 | 0/100
Mattarias | Bronze V, 80 LP | 5 | 0/100
McDogual | Bronze III, 58 LP | 50 | 0/100
Merellis | Placement | 4 | 0/100
MtgPlayerZach | Silver III, 63 LP | 27 | 0/100
Nadevoc | Silver II, 31 LP | 20 | 0/100
NineThePuma | Bronze V, 75 LP | 57 | 0/100
Outsideheaven | Platinum V, 0 LP | 92 | 0/100
Perkinz | Placement | 0 | 0/100
PersonMan | Silver III, 27 LP | 9 | 0/100
PhoeKun | Bronze II, 71 LP | 34 | 0/100
Qwertystop | Bronze II, 85 LP | 68 | 0/100
Recaiden | Silver II, 27 LP | 30 | 0/100
Renegade Paladin | Silver V, 10 LP | 57 | 0/100
Sallera | Silver V, 9 LP | 8 | 0/100
Siosilvar | Bronze II, 83 LP | 14 | 0/100
SlyGuyMcFly | Silver III, 52 LP | 32 | 0/100
Starswords | Silver I, 20 LP | 57 | 0/100
TechnOkami | Bronze III, 100 LP | 24 | 0/100
TFT | Diamond V, 87 LP | 754 | 0/100
TheShrike | Placement | 1 | 0/100
WyvernLord | Placement | 0 | 0/100
Zargodia | Placement | 0 | 0/100

[/table]

[Siosilvar]

I decided I'm gonna track it in my sig, so I don't forget.

If anyone wants to join me/standardize it, I'm using:

[SIZE="1"][URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15601454&postcount=1042"]League of Legends S3 Ranked Challenge:[/URL] <#>/100 wins, <Tier> <Division>[/SIZE]

[SIZE="1"][post=15602084]League of Legends S3 Ranked Challenge[/post]: <#>/100 wins, <Tier> <Division>[/SIZE]

Shorter (for those with longer sigs) and links to this new post Kook has right above me.

[Epinephrine_Syn]

Yeah, sure I'll join up in the challenge. Silver 4, 34 LP, just won 1 game for 34 LP. So I'm at 7 ranked solo/duo queue wins, 2 of them solo queue. Not sure if those count though.

Also, I'm a bit surprised. I fully expected half the posters here to be Gold/Plat players and to be the 'noob on the block' because I just placed now. But turns out I'm third highest on the list. Not that I'm not pretty terrible still.

[Maryring]

I wish you all luck in your endeavour. I'm not capable of playing ranked, and even if I were, I probably wouldn't manage 100 games in 4 months, much less the 200 I would need to have an expected success of 100 wins. Gonna be fun to follow though.

[Starswords]

Sure why not?

Silver I, 20 LP, Starting wins 57

[Hawkfrost000]

Bronze 1, 13LP, 10 wins out of 20 games

DM

[TheShrike]

Yeah, sure I'll join up in the challenge. Silver 4, 34 LP, just won 1 game for 34 LP. So I'm at 7 ranked solo/duo queue wins, 2 of them solo queue. Not sure if those count though.

Also, I'm a bit surprised. I fully expected half the posters here to be Gold/Plat players and to be the 'noob on the block' because I just placed now. But turns out I'm third highest on the list. Not that I'm not pretty terrible still.

We have a seriously curve-breaking number of Diamonds and quite a few Plats and Golds (more of those on the Mumble server than on GitP, honestly), but oh my goodness everywhere I look there are Silver and Bronze players. You can honestly find a ton of people at a variety of skill levels among the playground. Some of us even make it to Gold 3 without being able to lane properly

[Mattarias, King.]

....I open this thread in what seems like ages, and I find a challenge? Sure.

Mattarias, NA, Bronze V, 80 LP, 5 wins.

Let's. Get. Dangerous.

[Epinephrine_Syn]

We have a seriously curve-breaking number of Diamonds and quite a few Plats and Golds (more of those on the Mumble server than on GitP, honestly), but oh my goodness everywhere I look there are Silver and Bronze players. You can honestly find a ton of people at a variety of skill levels among the playground. Some of us even make it to Gold 3 without being able to lane properly

Well, after losing all 34 LP to two losses from special needs league level players, I'm starting to consider never solo queueing again and just going back to duo. Because holy damn.

[Gimliggamer]

People I know are in the challenge so far:

{table=head]Forum Name|Current placement|Starting wins|Progress

Forrestfire | Silver V, 3 LP | 95 | 0/100

Godskook | Gold V, 29 LP | 160 | 0/100

Nadevoc | Silver II, 31 LP | 20 | 0/100

NineThePuma | Bronze V, 75 LP | 57 | 0/100

Renegade Paladin | Silver V, 10 LP | 57 | 0/100

Sallera | Silver V, 9 LP | 8 | 0/100

Siosilvar | Bronze II, 83 LP | 14 | 0/100

TheShrike | Placement | 1 | 0/100[/table]

I wanna get in on this.
Right now I'm Silver IV, 78 wins, and 2 LP

[TFT]

Since I know I'm going to play enough to reach this goal anyways...

TFT, Diamond 5, 87 points, 754 wins (I've been trying to pick up adc, but I think I'm just going to support my way back up and try to pick up adc not in ranked.)

Let's do this. Sidegoal of d1 by the time I'm done.

[Ashen Lilies]

Well.

Kid Kris, Silver V, 100 LP (woot!), 33 wins (and 27 losses).