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2013-07-02, 07:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Wow.
So 90% (at least) of forum speculation was wrong. They get control over V's soul, but not V's body. I don't think anyone called that.
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2013-07-02, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-02, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
There aren't only two sides, Forikroder. Some people before the last comic went up were saying the fiends would do exactly what they just did.
I wasn't one of them; I was thinking (though I don't remember whether or not I actually said it) that the fiends' control of Vaarsuvius' soul would let them puppeteer Vaarsuvius' body. But I'm impressed that anyone did figure it out before it happened.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2013-07-02, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Sabine was the one who made them aware of V.
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2013-07-02, 07:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-02, 07:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
I don't understand their plan. They gave the elf nearly unlimited power. That power enabled him/her to teleport to Azure City, challenge Xykon, and before leaving the city, sending Blackwing to throw the Phylactery in the gate, which made him finding out there is a planet in there. Now the next step in their evil plan is to use the contract to prevent V from using the information they gave to him?
Sounds like they made a mistake and now are trying to fix it. Maybe the other two fiends still have a purpose for V's soul.
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2013-07-02, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
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2013-07-02, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
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2013-07-02, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
I wonder dimensional anchor can obviate that.
(i think it can, but I cannot sure.)
but I think V will use dimensional anchor on herself compulsively.
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2013-07-02, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
The plan was to cause V to lash out at Xykon, thus knocking Team Evil out of their nation-building rut and back onto the warpath. Mission accomplished: Xykon is on the move, and the fight is back on. The later use of V's soul was just a bonus - something that can help them tactically but was not their main objective in itself.
For that matter, it's entirely possible that destroying the Gate is the right thing for the Order to do here - the fiends want to stop either side from claiming a complete victory, which means it helps them not at all if Xykon wins right now.Originally Posted by The Giant
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2013-07-02, 07:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Though I must admit, I have no idea what the IFCC's plan is at this point. Why are they interested in the destruction of the Gates? And how could they have possibly known ahead of time that this exact situation would arise that they would need to avoid? Do they have someone with Oracular powers?
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2013-07-02, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-02, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Meh, I'm with Ninja Dragon. I trust this story and the author completely, but I'm a little nonplussed. That was a lot to offer V for a lousy 45 minutes of stasis for one good party member. It may have made an important difference, but it having done so was a low-probability event - blowing up the gate is already the most-likely outcome of this fight (and the others, as long as Xykon isn't losing).
Just think about how differently this would have gone... and how hosed the fiends' plan would be... if the Girarders were still alive. And the fiends didn't see that coming.
Seriously, they could have just swapped one word in the contract (from 'transfer' to 'ownership, or something like that, exact details unknown, etc), and V would have bought it.
Well, I'm sure the story will healthily survive this maybe-trying-a -little-too-hard-to-disagree-with-the-forum moment..
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2013-07-02, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
I think it's inevitable, can't wait. V stands to gain a lot here.
I doubt the fiends will be clumsy enough to let any major details slip, but V might be able to work some small piece of info out of them about the Gates and their goals. Sabine could give some insight into why Nale cares about the Gates at all, or if there's any deeper motive to them constantly bothering OOTS.
Even just watching the TV will reveal Tarquin and Malack in the LG lineup, Durkon's vampirism and Belkar's vulnerability, OOTS talking about Xykon being on the move or even Xykon coming on the scene outside.
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2013-07-02, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
It should be noted that it was not Darth V that knocked Xykon out of his complacency, but actually regular V.
Xykon was never really impressed with Darth V's power. What really unsettled him was regular V endangering his phylactery with the explosive runes trick.
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2013-07-02, 08:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Seems plausible enough. It's just that I thought V's soul had some purpose in their master plan. Well, maybe it still does, but will still work even if they don't have ~40% of the soul time?
I think the point is they don't have oracular powers. They are basically playing with fire, and hoping the fire burns in the direction they want.Last edited by Ninja Dragon; 2013-07-02 at 08:04 AM.
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2013-07-02, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
I think we should consider the possibility that the IFCC were actually telling the truth when they said V's soul was just bonus, and not the main payoff they are expecting from their deal.
If the Girarders were still alive, the IFCC probably would not have chosen to use their soul option on V at this particular moment. Their ultimate plan may not need to focus on specific details such has how and when each individual gate is destroyed or not destroyed. They are watching, being flexible, and reacting to the situation as needed.
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2013-07-02, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
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2013-07-02, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper-piece harlot.
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2013-07-02, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
If the Draketooths were still around, Z may have been able to zero in on the pyramid and Nale probably would have tried to turn the Draketooth Clan against the OOTS like Elan expected. Then Sabine or Qarr would have tried getting close the Gate to destroy it.
That's my guess.
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2013-07-02, 08:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
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2013-07-02, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for neutral elves to do nothing."
*Snicker*.
I'm a little bit surprised that the payment requires nothing more than restraining the elf for a period of time. I suppose this means the three fiends have a pretty fair idea of what the future holds and are willing to accept such paltry terms in exchange for the expected benefit. They must know *exactly* how much time they need and when.
Respectfully,
Brian P."Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."
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2013-07-02, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Nero's eyes kinda look like the Monster in the Darkness's for a moment.
"Look at me, I'm Robespierre!"
I think it's time we blow this scene, get everybody and their stuff together...okay, three, two, one, LET'S JAM!
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2013-07-02, 08:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
As I've read the OOTS comic, one of the things I've been most impressed with is Rich's storytelling ability. Specifically making characters who seem real and tangible. And surprisingly for me, that evil characters can behave honorably and respectably, despite not having my RL values. Thank you for a wonderful story and excellent character development.
Sabine watching TV while the IFCC works is hilarious!
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2013-07-02, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-02, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-02, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-02, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Notice how they don't give a crap if V learns what they can/intend to do with his/her soul or that Sabine works for them. This is their End Gambit.
We are approaching the end of the comic.
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2013-07-02, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
Why does Elan look so upset in the last panel? What does he know/suspect?
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2013-07-02, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #897 - The Discussion Thread
The expression's more "alarmed" than "upset" I'd say- maybe because he's closest to the knocking sound, and might think something's about to come through the wall.
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