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    Default [D&D 3.5 PrC] Twin-Pact Invoker (Warlock/Dragonfire Adept) (WiP)

    TWIN-PACT INVOKER


    Hit Die: d6

    Requirements
    Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks
    Special: Eldritch blast +2d6.
    Special: Breath Weapon +2d6.

    Class Skills
    The twin pact invoker's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Bluff (Cha), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Disguise (Cha), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge (all, taken individually), Sense Motive (Wis), Spellcraft (Int), and Use Magic Device (Cha).
    Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier.


    Table 1-1: The Twin-Pact Invoker
    {table=head]Level|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Special|Invoking
    1st|+0|+0|+0|+2|Twin-Pact Invoking|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    2nd|+1|+0|+0|+3|-|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    3rd|+1|+1|+1|+3|Eldritch Breath|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    4th|+2|+1|+1|+4|-|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    5th|+2|+1|+1|+4|Dragonfire Blast|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    6th|+3|+2|+2|+5|-|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    7th|+3|+2|+2|+5|Shaped Breath|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    8th|+4|+2|+2|+6|-|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    9th|+4|+3|+3|+6|-|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability
    10th|+5|+3|+3|+7|Eldritch Breathweapon|+1 level of warlock invoking ability/+1 level of dragonfire adept invoking ability [/table]

    Class Features

    Invocations: At each level, you gain new invocations known and an increase in caster level as if you had gained a level in warlock and a level in dragonfire adept (including eldritch blast and breath weapon). You do not, however, gain any other benefit a character of those classes would have gained.

    Twin-Pact Invoking: For the purposes of determining the highest grade of invocation you may possess; add your warlock, dragonfire adept, and twin-pact invoker levels. For example, a warlock 3/dragonfire adept 3/twin-pact warlock 5 could possess greater invocations, being treated as 11th level in both warlock and dragonfire adept for the purpose of invocation levels. This has no effect on the twin-pact invoker's effective caster level.

    Eldritch Breath: Upon attaining 3rd level, you gain the ability to apply eldritch essence invocations to your breath weapon as if it were eldritch blast.

    Dragonfire Blast: Upon attaining 5th level, you gain the ability to apply breath effects to your eldritch blast as if it were your breath weapon.

    Shaped Breath: Upon attaining 7th level, you gain the ability to apply eldritch shape invocations to your breath weapon as if it were eldritch blast.

    Eldritch Breathweapon: At 10th level you gain the ability to fully merge your eldritch blast with your breath weapon. As a full-round action, you may use both eldritch blast and your breath weapon. Doing so restricts you from applying breath effects, shape invocations, or essence invocations to either effect. Your eldritch blast takes on the shape of your breath weapon.
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    Default Re: [D&D 3.5 PrC] Twin-Pact Invoker (Warlock/Dragonfire Adept) (WiP)

    I'll admit, I did a double-take when I saw this things has no class features, but if it has progression in BOTH its classes...well shoot, I want be a dragonfire adept-warlock with this class maxed out.

    Of course, it's simple to expand this class; it provides another "invoker level" to both of its prerequisite classes and increases BAB and saves as the charts say. Interesting work, sir.
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    Default Re: [D&D 3.5 PrC] Twin-Pact Invoker (Warlock/Dragonfire Adept) (WiP)

    I have one of these too.

    This'll do fine to finish out the progression.

    Though, one note:

    Due to conflicting action costs, it is kind of pointless to have both Eldritch Blast and a Breath Weapon. Seriously, you could have a class feature that turns the Breath Weapon into a Blast Shape, and give the breath effects the ability to be used as Eldritch Essences. Then there would be a blend, and no real change in the power level.

    Other than that, it looks fine-ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBPuffin View Post
    I'll admit, I did a double-take when I saw this things has no class features, but if it has progression in BOTH its classes...well shoot, I want be a dragonfire adept-warlock with this class maxed out.

    Of course, it's simple to expand this class; it provides another "invoker level" to both of its prerequisite classes and increases BAB and saves as the charts say. Interesting work, sir.
    I initially come up with some class features, but I wasn't certain about where to put them (if putting them in at all). Letting shape and essence invocations be applied to breath weapon, breath effects to eldritch blast, maybe even the ability to use both simultaneously but without being able to apply breath effects/essence invocations/shape invocations. But I worry those might be a bit much.

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    Hmm I admit this is pretty interesting. Amechra does have a point, features blending eldritch blast and breath weapon would be pretty interesting and would help with giving this class a special flair. I like the idea overall though.

    It'll just take a little thinking through and balance to get it. I'm sure you can. I like the applying breath effects to eldritch blasts ideas best. How many invocations would a warlock 5/dragonfire adept 5/twin-pact invoker 10 have anyway? I think quite a few.
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    I've now added a few features that help mix eldritch blast and the breath weapon. Balancing and help on wording may be needed, they almost certainly will be, but the basic ideas are there.


    Quote Originally Posted by Haluesen View Post
    .How many invocations would a warlock 5/dragonfire adept 5/twin-pact invoker 10 have anyway? I think quite a few.
    9 Warlock Invocations
    6 Dragonfire adept invocations

    They would also have..

    Eldritch Blast: 7d6
    Breath weapon: 7d6

    Breath effects known: 2

    BAB: +10/+5
    Fort: +8
    Ref: +5
    Will: +15

    HP: 5d8 + 15d6
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    Wow that is quite a few, more than I think either class on its own allows you but that is the point of theurge classes. I don't know how balanced this class is compared to others for a typical game, but it at least looks like a fun one to play. I commend you Xuldarinar.

    Wondering could I possibly borrow this for a campaign to use against my players at some point? The whole campaign is highly magic based (centered actually) and this would make for an interesting type of enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haluesen View Post
    Wow that is quite a few, more than I think either class on its own allows you but that is the point of theurge classes. I don't know how balanced this class is compared to others for a typical game, but it at least looks like a fun one to play. I commend you Xuldarinar.

    Wondering could I possibly borrow this for a campaign to use against my players at some point? The whole campaign is highly magic based (centered actually) and this would make for an interesting type of enemy.

    By all means, use it. I don't put things up here just for show after all. I enjoy hearing that my creations actually get put to use.

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    Default Re: [D&D 3.5 PrC] Twin-Pact Invoker (Warlock/Dragonfire Adept) (WiP)

    Feel free to mix in my Scion of Ashardalon as well; you can get in earlier, and then progress stuff a bit faster.

    An example: Warlock 3/Dragonfire Adept/Scion of Ashardalon X/Twin-Pact Invoker Y.

    Mix to taste.

    Scion of Ashardalon would lower the number of invocations that you know by 2-3, but would allow you to mix in Sorcerer spells as well.

    I just noticed one other problem with this class: unless you take another duel-progression PrC afterwards, you can't get Dark Invocations for both of your classes. Is this intentional or not?

    After all, the example Dragonfire Adept 5/Warlock 5/Twin-Pact Invoker gets 15 invocations... but none of them are any degree greater than Greater, and you only start getting Greater invocations at 16th level.
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    I might have to give that mix a little try, see what comes of it. Of course the party is only average level 5 right now, so it might be some time, even if I made a character 2 or 3 levels higher than them.

    And cool, I just always tend to ask before I borrow something. That's why I assume people put up their homebrew, to see it get used and appreciated. And I intend to see what I can do to my players with this.
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    Is this the game with the Monk player, by any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Feel free to mix in my Scion of Ashardalon as well; you can get in earlier, and then progress stuff a bit faster.

    An example: Warlock 3/Dragonfire Adept/Scion of Ashardalon X/Twin-Pact Invoker Y.

    Mix to taste.

    Scion of Ashardalon would lower the number of invocations that you know by 2-3, but would allow you to mix in Sorcerer spells as well.

    I just noticed one other problem with this class: unless you take another duel-progression PrC afterwards, you can't get Dark Invocations for both of your classes. Is this intentional or not?

    After all, the example Dragonfire Adept 5/Warlock 5/Twin-Pact Invoker gets 15 invocations... but none of them are any degree greater than Greater, and you only start getting Greater invocations at 16th level.
    I had noticed you wouldn't get dark, but didn't pay it much mind to it. A solution to this, however, would be extending the class. Reasonably, i could stretch it to a 14 level PrC.

    Of course, doing so would mean a Warlock 3/Dragonfire adept 3/Twin-Pact Invoker would have:

    10 Warlock Invocations
    7 Dragonfire adept invocations

    Eldritch Blast: 8d6
    Breath weapon: 8d6

    Breath effects known: 1

    BAB: +10/+5
    Fort: +8
    Ref: +6
    Will: +15

    HP: 3d8 + 17d6

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    Default Re: [D&D 3.5 PrC] Twin-Pact Invoker (Warlock/Dragonfire Adept) (WiP)

    Well, my solution was to have levels in your Invocation-granting classes stack for the purposes of what grades of Invocations you can get.

    So a Dragonfire Adept 3/Warlock 3/Whatever 1 would be able to take Greater Invocations for either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    Is this the game with the Monk player, by any chance?
    Yes actually it is. I try to only have one campaign running at a time. I don't usually have the time or creativity for more than that, though I was maybe considering starting a pbp campaign at some point, since that would go slower I figure.

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    I had noticed you wouldn't get dark, but didn't pay it much mind to it. A solution to this, however, would be extending the class. Reasonably, i could stretch it to a 14 level PrC.

    Of course, doing so would mean a Warlock 3/Dragonfire adept 3/Twin-Pact Invoker would have:

    10 Warlock Invocations
    7 Dragonfire adept invocations

    Eldritch Blast: 8d6
    Breath weapon: 8d6

    Breath effects known: 1

    BAB: +10/+5
    Fort: +8
    Ref: +6
    Will: +15

    HP: 3d8 + 17d6
    I suppose it is possible. I just figured it was like with a cleric/wizard/eldritch theurge, who typically (just typically ) doesn't get access to 9th level spells.

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    Well, my solution was to have levels in your Invocation-granting classes stack for the purposes of what grades of Invocations you can get.

    So a Dragonfire Adept 3/Warlock 3/Whatever 1 would be able to take Greater Invocations for either side.
    That was like one of the class features for the Scion of yours right?
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    Yep, it is.

    Dark invocations are more comparable to 7th level spells, really.
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    Added:

    Twin-Pact Invoking: For the purposes of determining the highest grade of invocation you may possess; add your warlock, dragonfire adept, and twin-pact invoker levels. For example, a warlock 3/dragonfire adept 3/twin-pact warlock 5 could possess greater invocations, being treated as 11th level in both warlock and dragonfire adept for the purpose of invocation levels. This has no effect on the twin-pact invoker's effective caster level.

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    Just something I noticed for both invoking theurge classes, but do either of them add levels for determining learning new breath effects? Since breath effects are actually not invocations, and therefore not part of the invocation progression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haluesen View Post
    Just something I noticed for both invoking theurge classes, but do either of them add levels for determining learning new breath effects? Since breath effects are actually not invocations, and therefore not part of the invocation progression.
    I do not believe so. I think that would require a specific entry regarding them. They do not fall under the breath weapon class feature, nor under invocations, which I think are the only things advanced for dragonfire adepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuldarinar View Post
    I do not believe so. I think that would require a specific entry regarding them. They do not fall under the breath weapon class feature, nor under invocations, which I think are the only things advanced for dragonfire adepts.
    Hmm alright then. That means to acquire more breath effects all someone can do is take more dragonfire adept levels, with which to apply them with Dragonfire Blast. Alright thank you, at least that is worked out.
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