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    Default Re: By the Inferior Science of our Enemies: Gramarie Mark II

    If you use BIOG 101 on a weapon does it stay a weapon or become a hunk of biostructure until you blacksmithing for biologists it back to a weapon? Can artifacts be biostructurized if they're made of an appropriate material? If a semispace is tied to a creature, is it constantly visible, or is it like having hammerspace? Is there currently a way to alter an object's density?

    And most importantly: if I use this for pathfinder do I need to change anything other than finding a new appropriate skill for Eldrikinetics? I'm already having trouble figuring out what alternate skill would even make sense tbh.

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    Not sure if it helps you any.. but I just went with fly for Eldrikinetics in pathfinder.. it is already a skill, and makes sense for figuring out angles and momentums and such..

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    I LOVE this stuff! This is the kind of magicians I like to play.

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    Is it possible to have an outside influence on an EI? Like Dominate/charm monster? If so, could it be possible to make it break its laws? Or are they so hard coded in, it would be like dominating a human and then telling them to breathe underwater? Just cant be done. If it IS possible to force them to break their laws, what then? When the EI regains control, I assume it has to revert back to obeying its code.

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    So I haven't read through the entire thread, but an idea for a non reproducable material could be something like Blood of the Gods. I remember reading some where where the Astral Sea and Far Realm have masses floating about that were the corpses of divine beings. As such you can make a system where a dead Outsiders corpse that is not subsumed back into its Plane or otherwise devoured slowly turns into this material. At lower levels they have prperties related to thier native plane, when you reach the level of Gods, it is a lot more power and potentially non specified properties which can be altered. Tiering this system such that a certain amount of lower-tier material (from now on called Outsider Coal until a new name is generated.) can be added to higher tier OC to keep the material from expiring, but it cannot be infinitelly replicated. Then you get a resource that must be managed instead of generated.

    Thoughts on this idea?

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    With the whole Kinematic Theory dooming the planet problem a while back, would limiting it to the continental plate fix it? Another idea could be a way to scale a difficulty rating to reflect the momentum that is being worked with, and a danger of failing first check causing personal damage. So stopping a continent will work, but there will be strain with the threat of Failure in a hilarious and spectacular way if you succeed the first time. Stopping a planet would involve a lot of work to ensure the entire planet is stopped, and then you have to deal with the power generated so that your system can handle it. If not, you likely just blew up the planet. So small scale things like stopping a projectile like a missile=Easy, stopping a floating island or mountain sized asteroid= quite a lot more difficult. Stopping a planet/celestial body=You will likely fail before you can finish and die from backlash, or you will doom your planet. Well Done.

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    Default Re: By the Inferior Science of our Enemies: Gramarie Mark II

    Reading back from several of the discussions on this thread thus far, there are many things we discussed, but never actually tried to do. For the sake of keeping to the theme of SCIENCE!, we shall call these "Hypothesis":

    Spoiler: Hypothesis of Gramarie
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    • Improving the Platinum Transformer: It was discussed that the Platinum transformer should also be able to have certain traits on the topic of the Sacrifice rules. I feel that we aren't fully realizing the potential of the topic of using "Worship" as a source of power.
    • Build a better Transhuman: It was never answered by Kellus if converting a living creature into a Biostructure and then into a Biochasis would allow the living creature to retain it's class levels and memories and the such. I would like to see this be opened for discussion.
    • Improved Transhumanism: I was working on a Theory for Transhumanism since Kellus left us hanging on the matter. The Theory is Here.
    • Psychomantics beyond Psychomantics: After reviewing the old discipline, Psychomantics, I realize that it wasn't too bad and could still be salvaged. The concept of Soft Sciences being implemented into Gramarie seems interesting to me since there is no honest representation for Enchantment (one of my favorite school) for Gramarie. I designed it off the previous one with more emphasis on the Network aspect of Psychomantics.
    • Hortistruction beyond Hortistruction: I don't remember my opinion on this class since I am still strolling through the thread and retrieving anything that looks promising enough to work on. If anyone is interested in it, it is Here & here.
    • Crystallized Energy: I love everything about the idea behind this Theory, however it still feels like it was poorly executed. From the looks of the intent it was supposed to mass produce magical items rapidly or allow Gramarist to make magical items. Strange...


    Note: This list will not included proposed blueprints, prestige classes or things that are just so insane that they can only be perceived as jokes.


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    Psychomantics


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    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

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    Amongst the Principles of Gramarie is a very stand alone Discipline that is far more subtle than the other Disciplines that bends the will of the mind before you. Psychomantics is a disciple of thought, of the mind, which deals with the manipulation of the thoughts, opinions and beliefs of sentient creatures. Many believe that this fine art to be a bunch of non-sense and others believe they are invulnerable to such methods, however that is where they get you. Psychomantics is often used when a more subtle hand is required.

    Psychomantics often involves surgical procedures, provocative imagery, quickly altering stimuli to temper a mind into the perfect condition. Surgical tools, Cranial Maps, Scalpels, Rorschachs, and even other Gramarist specialized in Psychomantics are all common tools for Psychomantics. Any such equipment counts as a masterwork item and provides a +2 bonus to the Use Psionic Device made to prepare a Psychomantic principle. The Phrenological Map is a legendary map detailing the mechanics of every section of the brain, advanced knowledge on the neural network that inhabits all sentient life and even how to access the missing 90% of your brain.

    Key Skill: Use Psionic Device

    PSYM 101: Intro into Psychomantics
    Grade: Baccalaureate
    Prerequisites: None
    Target: One creature with an Intelligence score.
    Preparation Time: 1 hour

    This principles alters a creatures frontal lobes to be more susceptible to subliminal messaging, by replacing minor sections of it with a Psychomantic Receiver. Upon being implanted with a Receiver, the creature can now obtain Propositions to incite an alternative reaction to external stimuli. When you create a Receiver, you are considered the Admin for all intents and purposes.

    While applying a Proposition, you must select both a Cause and Effect. An Effect is often a bonus or penalty applied to a creature, however these bonuses or penalties are only applied while the creatures Cause is currently triggered via a method described with each principle. While it is possible to change the Cause and Effect, it can only be performed by the Admin.

    While a creature with a Receiver is inside a Heuristic Bubble, it may share its listed bonuses from their Effect, by establishing a Network. For each additional creature, you multiple the bonuses (ex. 3 creatures equals to 3 times the bonus). Unfortunately, the stability of these Bubbles is severely weakened causing the Bubbles to collapse after a number of hours equal to the average Use Psionic Device check for every Receiver within the Network. A Network may only have a number of Receivers within it equal to the Autohypnosis used to establish the Heuristic Bubble. Creatures connected to each other through a Network are may telepathically communicate to any creature currently inhabiting the Network. A Network's bonus may only provide a bonus with a maximum value equal to the Use Psionic Device check used to establish each individual Receiver. You may increase the duration of a Network by 1 hour by supplying the Heuristic Bubble with 10 ebbs per member on the Network.

    This principle allows you to make a Proposition with the following Causes:

    • Entity: An entity can be any living creature of a particular creature type, subtype, alignment, or race. It can also be limited down to unique members of any of those. This effect is active until the Entity is out of the creatures line of sight and 10 minutes * (Use Psionic Device/5) after. However while under their Effect, the creature takes a penalty towards all other entities that did not trigger their Effect.
    • Object: This functions exactly as Entity, however it applies to objects, symbols and imagery and must be specific (the Holy Symbol of a Church, A particular sword, Gramarie, etc.)
    • Networked: This Cause allows the Effect to trigger only while connected to a Network and ends when they exit the Network or it collapses.


    This principle allows you to make a Proposition with the following Effects:

    • Affection: The creature's mood towards their Cause improves, along with their reactions, while it is within their line of sight. The creature gains a +2 morale bonus to all Diplomacy, Sense Motive, Spot, Listen, Search and Gather Information check. If their Cause is an Entity, whenever they would be subject to a Diplomacy check to improve their attitude, they act as if they are one grade higher.
    • Hostile: The creature's mood towards their Cause worsens, along with their reactions, while it is within their line of sight. This also causes the creature's body to produce Adrenaline. The creature gains a +2 morale bonus to all Intimidate, Spot, Listen and Sense Motive checks. If the creature's Cause is an Entity whenever they would be subject to a Diplomacy check to improve their attitude, they act as if they are one grade lower and gain a +1 bonus to all attack rolls and damage rolls. If the creature's Cause is a specific object or symbol, they gain a +1 bonus to all sunder checks.
    • Algorithm: This Effect can only be applied to a Networked Cause. The creatures brain power is supplemented to allow creatures upon the Network to come to logical conclusions that would otherwise be impossible. The creature gains a +2 morale bonus to all Knowledge checks. Bonuses provided by this Effect can only be used to make conventional Knowledge checks.


    Any further principles you learn which augment these two lists can be mixed together when making Proposition. If you try to prepare this principle on an unwilling creature, they are allowed a Will Save (DC 5 +5 for every PSYM principle known).

    By preparing this principle on a preexisting Receiver, you can become the Admin of the Receiver, by beating the Use Psionic Device check to establish it + 10.

    PSYM 142: Innocent Horror [Specialist]
    Grade: Baccalaureate
    Prerequisites: PSYM 101, Use Psionic Device 4 ranks
    Target: Psychomantic Receiver
    Preparation Time: 1 hour

    This principle works like PSYM 101, except it adds new causes and effects:

    Cause
    • Dark and Light: Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark or the man afraid of the light? Whenever the creature is in a light setting that you set (Darkness, Low-Light, Starlight, Daylight, etc.). Such an effect last until 5 minutes * (Use Psionic Device/5) after the creature gets into a location without that level of lighting. Creatures with this Cause are treated as if shaken, while their Effect is triggered. This fear level increases for every minute that they remain in the same level of light.
    • Size: Big adults are scary and tiny spiders are even worse, every child knows this to be true. Whenever the creature would encounter something of a different size category the effect triggers and last for 1 minute * (Use Psionic Device/5) after the creature is either dead or out of sight. The Size category must be specified as being larger or smaller than the creature. Creatures with this Cause are treated as if shaken, while their Effect is triggered. This fear level increases for every minute that they maintain a line of sight with their Cause.


    Effect
    • Hiding: The creature's ability to decrease it's detective presence improves to allow them to replicate their more primal abilities held by their ancestors. The creature may perform a hide check as a swift action and may Hide in Plain Sight. The creature also gains a +2 bonus to any Hide checks.
    • Vision: The creature's ability to process sensory information improves. The creature gains a Darkvision out 5ft and a +2 bonus to all Spot and Search checks. While connected to a Network, you may multiply your Darkvision in the same way your bonuses would apply. If the creature already has Darkvision, they add this bonus to their preexisting Darkvision.
    • Hope: The creature gains a more bright outlook towards life, allowing it to react much better to more stressful situations. The creature gains a +1 bonus to all Will saves. If the Phobia system (Heroes of Horror) is in place, the creature may apply these same bonuses to any checks to overcome their fears.


    Additionally, you may also use this technique to cure a creature of the effects of any Mind-Affecting effect they might be suffering under. If your game is using the Phobia rules (Heroes of Horror), you may treat penalties caused by those effects as being viable targets for this use.

    PSYM 246: Social Agent
    Grade: Magisterial
    Prerequisites: PSYM 101, Use Psionic Device 8 ranks
    Target: Psychomantic Receiver
    Preparation Time: 1 hour

    This principle works like PSYM 101, except it adds the following new causes and effects:

    Cause
    • Social Connection: People often associate people with plenty of friends as being popular and popularity is often as a good trait (pending on your stance in relation to that person). Meeting another creature (type is irrelevant) and having the new creature have a Friendly or better attitude towards you causes your effect to trigger. You need not be able to physical meet this creature, just be able to speak to them (telepathically or otherwise). This cause triggers their effect for 10 minutes * (Use Psionic Device/5). While an Effect is triggered by this Cause, the creature becomes single minded in using whatever bonuses it would apply towards improving the creatures attitude to a higher tier.
    • Social Pariah: Not everyone is a connection is a good one. Sometimes you are just hated. Be it for your beliefs, stances, demeanor, or perhaps just for your simple existence. Meeting another creature (type is irrelevant) and having the new creature have an Indifferent or worst attitude towards you cause your effect to trigger. You need not physical meet this creature, simply the knowledge that these creature exist is enough to cause your effect to trigger. This cause triggers the effect for 1 hour * (Use Psionic Device/5). While an Effect is triggered by this Cause, the creature becomes single minded in using whatever bonuses it would apply towards improving the creatures attitude to a higher tier.


    Effect
    • Love: An improvement from the previous Effect of Affection, the creature's reaction boarders on obsessive, however this feeling of "love" is infectious. The creature gains a +4 morale bonus to all Diplomacy, Sense Motive, Spot, Listen, Search and Gather Information check. The creature is treated as under a Sanctuary spell, casted at 1st level with a DC of 10 + Spell level. While within a Network, this spell level is multiplied as per normal, to a maximum of 9. If their Cause is an Entity, whenever they would be subject to a Diplomacy check to improve their attitude, they act as if they are two grades higher.
    • Hate: An improvement from the previous Effect of Hostile, the creature's reaction boarders on obsessive, however this feeling of "hate" is frightening to onlookers. The creature gains a +4 morale bonus to all Intimidate, Spot, Listen and Sense Motive checks. If the creature's Cause is an Entity whenever they would be subject to a Diplomacy check to improve their attitude, they act as if they are one grade lower and gain a +2 bonus to all attack rolls and damage rolls. If the creature's Cause is a specific object or symbol, they gain a +2 bonus to all sunder checks. When the creature is attacked, there is a 50% chance it will enter a Barbarian's Rage.
    • Virtual Self: This Effect can only be applied to a Networked Cause. In the age of massive social networking, it is easy to lie about yourself, but would you really do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies? Creatures within the Network become able to access knowledge that others would be able to access, albeit at a weakened level. The creatures inside the Network are now able to replicate class features from other creatures within the Network. You may only access class features from a class equal to 1/2 of that classes levels (ex. Attempting to access the Eldritch Blast of a 10th level Gramarist, allows you to use the class feature as a 5th level Gramarist).


    You also gain an additional option when creating a Network. Instead you may establish the Network as a Web, which functions exactly as a Network with the following changes:

    A Web is effectively a Network that is connected to other Network. To maintain the connection between Networks, you must connect them through a Heuristic Circuit. Bonuses established across a Web are not shared in the same sense as with a Network, however you may now switch out creatures in and out of the connected Networks as a standard action. However Webs collapse much more rapidly. To determine how many hours a Web can last, you add up the average Use Psionic Device check to establish all of the Receivers and then divide that result by 10.

    PSYM 269: Eccentric Reactions [Specialist]
    Grade: Magisterial
    Prerequisites: Any two PSYM principles, Use Psionic Device 8 ranks
    Target: Psychomantic Receiver
    Preparation Time: 1 hour

    After learning this Principle, any Cause that you apply can also have an additional Effect that triggers in addition towards any other possible Effect that would be triggered, however penalties gained from these secondary Effects are doubled, while bonuses are halved (to a minimum of +1). These Effects must be selected from Effects that you have access to. You must select 5 effects and roll 1d% to determine this and roll on the listed table

    Effect Probability
    Option 1 20%
    Option 2 20%
    Option 3 20%
    Option 4 20%
    Option 5 20%

    This additional Effect is also applied to when connected to a Network. Otherwise this principle works like PSYM 101, except it adds the following cause and effect:

    Cause
    • Environment: We are all products of our environment, whether experiencing the two minute hate or by witnessing the powerful might of nature itself. You can set a special condition, be it weather based (Lightning, Wildfires, Typhoons, etc.) or social based (Riots, a speech, a religious service, etc), that would trigger the Effect. An Effect triggered by this only last 10 minutes before suppressing itself.
    • Foreigners: There are many different types of reactions associated with foreigners. Some people love them and find them beautiful while others hate them and wish to see them exterminated. These are just two very noteworthy reactions. Each reaction is different between each creature type.
      Effects triggered by this Cause last for as long as that creature is within your Line of Sight and for 10 minutes after.
    • Location: A place of worship, a place of torture. These places give people emotional and mental reactions to these things. People are irrational in associating feelings with locations and this irrationality can be exploited to. While the creature is within 100ft * (the Use Psionic Device used to establish this divided by 5) they experience certain changes to their psyche.
    • Time: Hidden deep within certain peoples mind is a phobia for certain times, however it isn't the fear of the time, just the numbers associated with these numbers. For example, some people have an irrational fear for the time 2:15 or soldiers have a fear of 11. It is possible to find and exploit more irrational associations with these things through this Cause. With this cause you specify a specific time of the day (ex. Noon, 3:35pm, Midnight, etc.) and cause their effect to trigger, the effect is active until 1 hour after the ordained time or until they check the nearest exact time piece.


    Effect
    • Dread: Fear is one of the most basic responses, however it should be worth noting that fear is largely inappropriate. It served our ancestors will, however now it serves very little. The creature gains a -2 penalty on attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. By spending 1 minute within the line of sight of their Cause, these penalties increase to -4 and they immediately attempt to flee from their Cause to the best of their abilities. By spending an additional minute, this penalty increases to -6 and they may only take actions towards fleeing their Cause. If, at any point and for any reason, the creature is cornered and cannot escape, they immediately take all of the above penalties and are incapable of taking any actions.
    • Awe: This Effect cannot have a Networked Cause. Awe towards something beyond you is much more beautiful. Inspiration is one of the greatest things that can lead a species into beyond the scope. Most inventors, genius and enlightened masters have witnessed this awe and lead their peoples to greatness. The creature gains a +2 bonus on attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. By maintaining a line of sight with their Cause for 1 minute or longer, these bonuses increase to +4 and they may now take an additional move action per round. By maintaining the line of sight for an additional minute, these bonuses increase to +6 and they may now take an additional standard action in addition to an additional move action. And by maintaining a line of sight towards their Cause for yet another minute, they begin to feel woozy and are now dazed thereafter until they are away their cause. While dazed from this Effect, the creature can only take move actions towards getting away from their Cause.

      Regardless, thereafter turning away from your Cause, you immediately lose any bonuses that may have been obtained from this Effect.


    PSYM 361: Dreams within Dreams
    Grade: Doctorate
    Prerequisites: Any three PSYM principles, Use Psionic Device 15 ranks
    Target: Psychomantic Receiver
    Preparation Time: 1 hour

    This principle works like PSYM 101, except it adds the following new causes and effects:

    Cause
    • Sleep: Sleeping and dreams can cause unusual mental experiences. Whenever the creature sleeps it can enter a state where it is both sleeping and awake at the same. This is commonly referred to as "Sleepwalking". A sleepwalker's effect last until the creature is awoken or wakes up naturally. While under this cause, the creature is treated as being under the effects of a Sleep spell and is helpless. The creature may still however apply their benefits towards a Network.
    • Nightmare: The world of Nightmares is almost as vile as the Nine Hells themselves. No creature would willingly wish to experience a Nightmare because of the sheer psychomantic damage to a persons mind. Whenever the creature would be attacked while in their sleep, for the next 24 hours, the Effect is triggered, however they are then fatigued for the entire duration.


    Effect
    • Dreams: The dream world is one of the most beautiful locations across the planes and most would agree that remembering such a location would be the most remarkable sensations ever. The creature is treated as receiving a natural 20 on a Lucid Dreaming check to forcefully induce sleep and gains a +2 bonus to all Lucid Dreaming checks. This sleep last for a number of hours equal to their Use Psionic Device check or someone adjacent to your waking body can take a standard to forcefully wake you up.
    • Insomnia: Even sleep deprivation can have some beneficial effects for a creature. Eventually a creature being deprived of sleep will enter a state called "mania", that allows them to perform much more proficiently towards their end goal. It should be worth noting that training Gramarist will often form "study groups" for exam prep using this Effect. The creature is treated as being under a Haste spell for the duration of this Effect. They are also able to cut Item creation, and Principle preparation by half. This deduction is multiplied while connected to a Network (ex. Divided by 3 and 4 and so on and so forth). During this time, also receives a -1 penalty to all skill checks for every hour they remain under this effect, however after 3 days, in addition to this continual penalty, the creature takes an accumulative 1 ability damage to every mental ability score until one of their ability scores reaches 1 where they are rendered unconscious for a number of hours equal to the amount of time they have been awake. Regardless, after resting for a number of hours that they've been under this Effect, you lose any penalties associated with it.


    You also gain an additional option when creating an Internet. Instead you may establish a Web as an Internet, which functions exactly as a Web with the following changes:

    An Internet is effectively a Web that is connected to other Webs through Heuristic Circuits. Bonuses are amplified while connected to an Internet. These bonuses are multiplied, in addition to the previous bonuses. The total number of individuals that can exist on an individual section of an Internet (A Web) is now only a 10th of the check used to establish it, however you may change what section of the Internet you're on as a Full-Round action. Unlike Webs and Networks, Internets can only collapse if the Heuristic Bubbles and Circuits connecting them together are all destroyed.

    PSYM 384: Sociological Revolution [Specialist]
    Grade: Doctorate
    Prerequisites: Any four PSYM principles, Use Psionic Device 15 ranks
    Target: Psychomantic Receiver
    Preparation Time: 1 hour

    This principle works like PSYM 101, except it adds two new cause and effect:

    Cause
    • Hysteria: Ideas are infinite and infectious. As long as their is sentient thought through out the multiverse there will always be ideas. When you apply this cause to a Proposition, you must also select an additional Cause. Any creature within a line of sight to witness the creatures secondary Cause, runs the risk of being infected with these ideas. The observing creature is subject to a PSYM 101 with the same Cause and Effect that the original creature had, without this added Cause to it.
    • Verbal: Words are powerful and no way is it more powerful for a creature if the right words are used. When you prepare this principle, you make a single verbal command (no longer than 25 words) that triggers a creatures Effect. Regardless, the Effect is only triggered for a number of hours equal to the Use Psionic Device check to establish this.


    Effect
    • Worship: An improvement from the previous Effect of Love. The creatures reaction towards their cause is akin towards that of the worship of a God. The creature gains a +6 morale bonus to all Diplomacy, Sense Motive, Spot, Listen, Search and Gather Information check. The creature is treated as if the target of a Sympathy spell casted as a 1st level spell with a DC of 10 + Spell level and dedicated towards attracting creatures of similar alignment. While within a Network, this spell level is multiplied as per normal, to a maximum of 18. If their Cause is an Entity, whenever they would be subject to a Diplomacy check to improve their attitude, they act as if they are three grades higher.
    • Peace: The creature is forced into the Theta Brain State and made highly receptive towards all sensory input. The creature gains a +4 bonus to all skill checks, attack rolls, damage rolls and saving throws. In addition to this, the creature gains an additional d6 HD times their Use Psionic Device check divided by 10.
    • Suicidal Tendencies: This is the most destructive Effect that can ever be inflicted upon a creature: "Kill yourself". The creature tries to the best of it's abilities to kill itself in the most flashy way possible (and in public if possible). Due to the destructive and cruel method by which the creature dies, it is reborn as a Ghost and haunts the location in which it died.


    You may now surpass the standard bonus limits imposed when creating a Network. By supplying a number of ebbs equal to the number of members on the Network factorial, you may surpass these limits by +1 additional bonus per payment.



    Subliminal Advice [Gramarie]
    I can't be hypnoti- *drool*
    Prerequisite: PSYM 101, Use Psionic Device 4 ranks
    Benefits: You gain a +2 on Use Psionic Device checks. In addition to this you can now prepare your Psychomantic principles into imagery making them force their effects on any creature that has it withing their line of sight. If the creature already has a Psychomantic Transmitter, they are only under this effect for an hour, where as creatures without are only effected for 30 minutes. This Imagery can be either an Imachination or a standard picture that you draw and there can only be a single Proposition associated to the image.
    Special: Taking this feat means you cannot take Skill Focus (Use Psionic Device), and you cannot take this feat if you already possess said Skill Focus.

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    • PSYM 101: Intro into Psychomantics: This anima deals non-lethal damage and alters the targets reactions towards you as per a Charm Person spell (Will negates) and last for 5 rounds.
    • PSYM 142: Innocent Horror: This anima makes the target shaken for 5 rounds. Additional uses of this increase this stage of fear, however it does not reset the duration.
    • PSYM 246: Social Agent: This anima converts your Eldritch Blast into a 30ft cone and subjects every creature inside of it to a Charm Person for 5 rounds. In addition to this, you also gain a +2 enchantment bonus to your Charisma score.
    • PSYM 269: Eccentric Reactions: This anima deals no damage, however instead it applies a penalty equal to the total damage this blast would do to all attack rolls, skill checks, and saving throws for the next 5 rounds.
    • PSYM 361: Dreams within Dreams: This anima deals no damage, however instead it places the creature to sleep (Will negates) for 5 rounds, however they will wake up after taking damage from any source.
    • PSYM 384: Sociological Revolution: This anima deals non-lethal damage and alters the target subject to a Dominate Person (Will negates) for 5 rounds.


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    • Unstable Environment: The receivers you've set are modified to trigger the Effect of any Suggestion you've implemented into a creature whenever it enters (and remains in) a Biome.
    • Imposed Obedience: You must know PSYM 361 to select this discovery. You gain access to a new effect:
      • Obedience: This effect only applies to a creature with a Verbal Cause. The creature obeys the commands of the person and only the person who established this effect as if they were under the effects of a Dominate Monster spell. This effect is indefinite and supersedes the duration of the Verbal Cause.

    • System Administrator: You must know PSYM 361 to learn this Discovery. By working on a piece of a Network, you can elevate it into the status of an Ultranet. An Ultranet is a massive collection of Internets interconnected to each other. Making an Ultranet requires an hour of work on a single Internet and only works on Internets that have three or more Webs connected to them. When you complete an Ultranet, if you have a receiver, you are made the Admin of your Ultranet allowing you to perform the following actions to any creature on the Ultranet otherwise, you select a single creature on the Ultranet to serve as the Admin:
      • Moderate: Sometimes certain members on your Internet are more trustworthy than others and they deserve greater control than others. You grant a creature the Status of Moderator allowing them to perform the Ban, Mute and Limited Access option against non-Admins and non-Moderators. Alternatively, you may choose to leave the Network and grant another creature the title of Admin.
      • Accept/Invite: This adds a new member to the Network. This member must already possess a receiver, and must be connected to the Circuit used for the Internet. If the new member is part of another Network, they must make a Will save (DC 10 + 5 for each PSYM principle the creator of their old network knows) in order to disconnect from that System and connect to yours.
      • Ban: While the System can last forever, not everyone should stay forever. This attempts to forcibly disconnect a Network member, forcing them to make a Will save (DC 10 + 5 for each PSYM principle you know) or lose access.
      • Mute: Silence is golden. This change modifies the receivers in the creature's receiver preventing them from sending telepathic communications. They can still receive messages and bonuses, and can still provide their bonuses to the Internet.
      • Limited Access: Some people just can't be fully trusted. This locks them out of either the telepathic communications of the Network, or the ability to send/receive bonuses from other certain recipients.

    • Indoctrination: Whenever you place a receiver into a creatures brain, you can supply the creature with additional Knowledge of Gramarie. You can have the creature be able to prepare a Principle for which they qualify, that you know. You can take this discovery multiple times, each time allowing them to know and prepare an additional principle.
    • Into the Mist: You must have at least 16 HD to select this discovery. Your Psychomantic receivers receive a signal from an unknown plane causing your creatures react in fits of horror and dread forcing their effects to constantly trigger. You can adjust your receivers to not receive this signal if you so desire.
    • Reprogramming Rorschach: When you establish the cause of an effect to be an Object that happens to be a symbol, you can alter the effect so that the size of the image is factored in:

      Size Duration increase
      Fine x1/9th
      Tiny x1/6th
      Small x1/3
      Medium x1
      Large x3
      Huge x6
      Gargantuan+ x9
    • New Age Platform: You must have at least 16 HD to select this discovery. You've expanded upon the design of your receiver to encompass the entire brain... The only minus side is that you've rendered the subject to the state of... "mental lacking". A creature that you've transmitted now has an intelligence of 3, however when it is on the same Network as a creature with the same kind of receiver, it gains a +2 Circumstance bonus to their Intelligence score and gain an additional +2 bonus for every additional creature it is connected to.
    • Incoherent Reaction: You must know PSYM 269 to select this discovery. You've discovered that a mind can have an even greater number of reactions towards their Cause. You may now select up to 10 additional Effects. Thereafter you divide 100 by the total number of possible Effects and roll 1d% to determine which Effects are employed. Bonuses gained from such effects are no longer halved and penalties are no longer doubled when making use of this discovery.





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    “War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.”

    The mind is a weak organ, often left best to rot in the skulls of the equally weak... That is what the Brothers would like you to believe. The Brothers are a network of conquers across the planes that manipulate the art of Psychomantics to instill puppet governments and establish dystopian societies where freedoms is just a dream. Hope that you should never arrive on such a plane, and pray that you are never born on such a plane...

    Requirements: To become a Brother you must meet all of the following requirements.
    Feat: Wild Talent or Hidden Talent.
    Gramarie: Any two PSYM principles.
    Skills: Use Psionic Device 10 ranks, Gather Information 5 ranks, Diplomacy 1 rank.
    Special: Must have a Psychomantic Transmitter placed into your brain.
    Specialization: Must be specialized in Psychomantics.

    Hit Die: d6
    Skill Points at Each Additional Level: 6 + Int modifier

    Class Skills: The brother's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Appraise (Int), Autohypnosis (Wis), Bluff (Cha), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disable Device (Int), Forgery (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Heal (Wis), Knowledge (arcana) (Int), Knowledge (architecture and engineering) (Int), Knowledge (dungeoneering) (Int), Knowledge (nature) (Int), Knowledge (the Planes) (Int), Knowledge (psionics) (Int), Knowledge (religion) (Int), Listen (Wis), Open Lock (Dex), Profession (Wis), Search (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis), and Use Magic Device (Cha).

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    1st +0 +2 +0 +2 Unnecessary Brutality, Closed Transmitter (I), Transmitted Blast +1d6 1st 1 +0
    2nd +1 +3 +0 +3 Transmitter Command Book 1st 2 +1
    3rd +2 +3 +1 +3 Transmitted Blast +2d6 1st 3 +2
    4th +3 +4 +1 +4 Transmitter Command Book, Closed Transmitter (II) 2nd 4 +3
    5th +3 +4 +1 +4 Transmitted Blast +3d6 2nd 5 +3
    6th +4 +5 +2 +5 False Promises, Transmitter Command Book 2nd 6 +4
    7th +5 +5 +2 +5 Transmitted Blast +4d6, Closed Transmitter (III) 3rd 7 +5
    8th +6 +6 +2 +6 Transmitter Command Book 3rd 8 +6
    9th +6 +6 +3 +6 Transmitted Blast +5d6 3rd 9 +6
    10th +7 +7 +3 +7 "Direct intervention is necessary", Transmitter Command Book, Closed Transmitter (VI) 4th 10 +7

    All of the following are class features of the Brother.

    Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: As a Brother, you gain no additional weapon or armor proficiencies.

    Unnecessary Brutality (Ex): Using inhumane practices and techniques you remove more than the bare minimum for implanting a Psychomantic Transmitter resulting in a mentally damaged creature, but a more obedient thrall. The creature takes 1d6 Int Drain, however you can now apply a new Effect that you can access.
    • Loyalty: The creature is constantly considered Loyal to the cause of this effect and is considered under the effects of a Charm Monster spell. This effect is indefinite and supersedes the duration of the Cause used for this.

    In addition to this, you add your class level to the DC to take control of any Transmitter you create.

    Closed Transmitter (Ex): The Transmitter that you were required to obtain is special and is often modified in a number of ways to manage task over massive systems.

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    1. At first level, your Transmitter is modified to make it default back to it's original creator (You) should someone else try to take it over.
    2. At fourth level, you can monitor any creature who you've implanted with a Transmitter as if under a Remote viewing power.
    3. At seventh level, Transmitters with circuited causes can be wirelessly adjusted to receive commands, but only from your Transmitter. To perform this you need to convert your Transmitter into a Circuited one as well.
    4. At tenth level, if you can connect Transmitters into a network, you may connect yourself into a network indefinitely, however once you are disconnected you suffer double the penalty you would normal face for twice as long. This ability connects to any creature you might be connected to through a Network.



    Transmitted Blast (Sp): You can fire an Eldritch Blast from any one of the creatures that you've implanted with a Transmitter. Doing so, however is exhausting and damaging to the Transmitter so you can only perform this once every 1d8 rounds.

    Psionics: Control over the Flesh is only the first step in control over the mind. As such you've learned how to manipulate your newly found Hivemind into performing something greater. You Manifest powers as a Psion with access to both Clairsentience and Telepathy powers of your Brother level with a number of Power Points equal to the number of creatures you have personally applied a Psychomantic Transmitter to.

    Principles of Gramarie: You continue to advance your study of gramarie. At 2nd level, and again whenever indicated on the class table, you learn a new principle of gramarie that you qualify for. You add your Brother level to your Gramarist class level to determine what tier of principle you can access.

    Transmitter Command Book (Ex): While experimenting with the alternate uses of your Transmitters, you make new advances in Gramarie. At 2nd level and every two levels thereafter, you learn a new discovery to increase your control over your Psychomantic Transmitters and by association your slaves.

    False Promises (Ex): Usurping control over foreign Transmitters is like a second nature to you and is paramount to any successful Brother. Instead of a DC of 10 + the original Use Psionic Device check to establish the Transmitter, you now only have to exceed the original Use Psionic Device check.

    "Direct intervention is necessary" (Su): Incompetent Proles! Must you do everything? No, but you can intervene when you need to. By spending 10 minutes focusing on a single creature that you've implanted with a Transmitter, you can control that creatures body and act with it as if it were your own. You may only perform this on one such creature at any given time, lasting no longer than 1 hour times the Use Psionic Device made to apply the creatures Transmitter. If the creature dies while you are inside of it, you are ejected back into your body. It should be noted that your original body is left without a mind while in this state and is treated as being Helpless for the duration of this ability. You may dismiss this ability as an immediate action.
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    Last night I had an idea. For a thing. Another discipline. I will return with more details when I have them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirpercival View Post
    Last night I had an idea. For a thing. Another discipline. I will return with more details when I have them.
    Welcome to the age of discovery!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirpercival View Post
    Last night I had an idea. For a thing. Another discipline. I will return with more details when I have them.
    Incredibly same thing happened to me.

    Binding elementals to materials and using them as "hearts" and giving bonuses/effects when they "beat". I'm thinking of calling it Golemantics, but mantics is a bit used already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethird View Post
    Incredibly same thing happened to me.

    Binding elementals to materials and using them as "hearts" and giving bonuses/effects when they "beat". I'm thinking of calling it Golemantics, but mantics is a bit used already.
    Colossusiology might be a more original name. I like the idea of binding elements, but why not just use the elements to power other pieces of Gramarie as an alternative source of energy from Arcanodynamics? Or perhaps make it work together with Arcanodynamics to "Build a better generator". In fantasy, using the elements as a source for power is incredibly common and I'd expect things would be no less different for Gramarie.

    In other news, I'm thinking of changing the Prestige class for Psychomantics to focus more on the specialized aspect of it, where the Network is the primary power behind it... I should probably work on the Eldritch Anima for it as well actually...

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    My idea is divinentropy. Chaos theory, quantum mechanics, and divination by way of stat mech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    Colossusiology might be a more original name. I like the idea of binding elements, but why not just use the elements to power other pieces of Gramarie as an alternative source of energy from Arcanodynamics? Or perhaps make it work together with Arcanodynamics to "Build a better generator". In fantasy, using the elements as a source for power is incredibly common and I'd expect things would be no less different for Gramarie.

    In other news, I'm thinking of changing the Prestige class for Psychomantics to focus more on the specialized aspect of it, where the Network is the primary power behind it... I should probably work on the Eldritch Anima for it as well actually...

    SPECIALIZATION! It should be rewarded a bit harder!
    I like the name and that would be the input mode instead of the output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirpercival View Post
    My idea is divinentropy. Chaos theory, quantum mechanics, and divination by way of stat mech.
    I've started a revolution

    Loving the idea, Percival. Any planned time for release?

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    I like the name and that would be the input mode instead of the output.
    I think it would be best if I hold my commentary until after you post your idea
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    I don't know if I fully understand this or not. Can I use ARCD 101 to make a silver in transformer, stick it inside a 'pocket' with YGGD 241, fill the rest of the available space with a couple dozen tiny sized iron-made bioconstructs made from BIOY 101, attach a silver out transformer to stick outside of the 'pocket' to heal whoever holds it (how much of it needs to stick out to work)? Do I need to throw in a HEUR 101 logical condition to connect everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by virgileso View Post
    I don't know if I fully understand this or not. Can I use ARCD 101 to make a silver in transformer, stick it inside a 'pocket' with YGGD 241, fill the rest of the available space with a couple dozen tiny sized iron-made bioconstructs made from BIOY 101, attach a silver out transformer to stick outside of the 'pocket' to heal whoever holds it (how much of it needs to stick out to work)? Do I need to throw in a HEUR 101 logical condition to connect everything?
    Pending on the positioning of the ARCD 101 out and whether or not you use Rabbit Hole is what makes this design a pass or fail. If the Output is placed inside of the Semi-space (which is what I assume you mean by 'pocket'), you would need to step into it to gain the benefits of any healing, however it would be rendered moot because the healing would also be distributed amongst the biostructures as well.

    If you position the Output outside of the semi-space, it won't work because ebbs cannot transfer outside a Semi-space, which is why you have to use Rabbit Hole for this to work.

    It should be worth noting that you should probably make the Biostructures out of Silver and then transform them into Inputs to drain their own HP since materials keep their traits, regardless of state (as described by ALCH 286). This method has been abused and done to death. It is one of the many, free healing techniques implemented here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    If you position the Output outside of the semi-space, it won't work because ebbs cannot transfer outside a Semi-space, which is why you have to use Rabbit Hole for this to work.

    It should be worth noting that you should probably make the Biostructures out of Silver and then transform them into Inputs to drain their own HP since materials keep their traits, regardless of state (as described by ALCH 286). This method has been abused and done to death. It is one of the many, free healing techniques implemented here.
    Where is Rabbit Hole? Would the healing would be distributed? I thought it went directly to a single target, the closest to the transformer, unless you threw in a logical decision with HEUR 101.

    I don't know whether the method has been done to death, because a rough perusal of this thread (a bit over half) has not been terribly instructive of low-level applications. In addition, I wasn't trying to be clever, but trying to understand how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by virgileso View Post
    Where is Rabbit Hole? Would the healing would be distributed? I thought it went directly to a single target, the closest to the transformer, unless you threw in a logical decision with HEUR 101.
    Rabbit Hole is a Discovery. The healing would not be distributed, that was my error.

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    I don't know whether the method has been done to death, because a rough perusal of this thread (a bit over half) has not been terribly instructive of low-level applications. In addition, I wasn't trying to be clever, but trying to understand how it works.
    The first thread was more beginner friendly since it was... Well the first thread

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    Loving the idea, Percival. Any planned time for release?
    Since all I've written down about it so far is what I put in that post, and also that its skill is Sense Motive, no I don't. At the moment my first priority is my MUHA entry, which is rather large.

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    Turning mercury into a bioconstruct makes it solid, correct? Does it retain the poison property, permitting permanently poisonous blades at low levels?

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    Turning mercury into a bioconstruct makes it solid, correct? Does it retain the poison property, permitting permanently poisonous blades at low levels?
    Bioy 101 only works on solids in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIOY 101: Intro to Biollurgy
    You can target either living or dead organic material, or any kind of planetary metal (copper, lead, gold, iron, mercury, platinum, silver, or tin) with this principle.
    How do you ever target it then?

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    How do you ever target it then?
    You make it so it's solid. It does freeze at a certain point. Either change the point or change the tempurature.

    Now, if you get the mercury cold enough that it freezes, turn it to a bioconstruct, and then warm it up, I have no idea.
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    What's the most powerful stuff you can make at level 4 with a single character?

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    For Imachination, how many skill checks does the observer make? If you just have IMCH 101 and make the visual illusion of an orc standing there; do people just make a single Spot check when they turn the corner and see it? Do they make a separate check for Spot, Listen, & Survival; or do they make a single Spot check with a +10 because of the lack of sound and smell? Can static illusions move, just without regard to their environment (like a video on repeat), or are they totally immobile statues/photos?

    While the sensory skill checks have to beat the crafter's Bluff check, is it assumed that the DC to actually detect the illusion is less than the DC set by the Bluff check; such as a distant whisper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by virgileso View Post
    What's the most powerful stuff you can make at level 4 with a single character?
    Depends entirely on what you need done.

    For example: Do you need to irradiate an entire section of space? Well look no further than my Blueprint, Reading Rainbow. Hook it up to a creature that wanders around space with a Lead Out prepared with Tasha's Finite Decay and a White Filter. Eventually you will irradiate every single piece of space. If you wish to go into greater depths, you can attach an Salt Engine to allow the creatures to move at superluminal speeds and with my Reading Rainbow? It is entirely possible

    ... But enough ego stroking, it depends on what you wish to do. If you're looking for damage at 4th level, you are better off using your Eldritch Blast and Anima. Gramarie isn't built for low-level combat, however at higher levels it is (compared to Arcane and Divine magic, Psionics and Maneuvers), it is the most destructive power in any game.

    Honestly, low level Gramarie is meant to make the world a better place. It should be worth noting that at low level Gramarie, you're power is reflective in how well you can survive. If I had to say which was the best for surviving at low levels, I would say that Imachination Specialist are the best survivors against most common encounters. For example, using HEUR 101, IMCH 101 and IMCH 167 can make a clever version of Octocamo (like Old Snake). Anima (IMCH 101), helps you neutralize someones senses against your evasions, while rendering the enemy incapable of detecting you. I'd highly recommend that you have a KALD 101 (Red Filter & Yellow) up to defend against early level fire attacks and weapons. The Octocamo takes about 3 hours to make and the filters take about 13 hours to make so about 16 hours. This leaves you about 8 hours to rest up in the morning and hopefully survive for the day. Thereafter, it is how you spend your WBL. I'd recommend you take a peak at Shax's Indispensible Haversack to find some materials that might help you get to the next level. All of your Gramarie that you've just made require no material components and just need a Spatial Reference (which should be you and your clothing). I'd recommend some other options for you to take, but I feel that this is enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by virgileso View Post
    For Imachination, how many skill checks does the observer make? If you just have IMCH 101 and make the visual illusion of an orc standing there; do people just make a single Spot check when they turn the corner and see it? Do they make a separate check for Spot, Listen, & Survival; or do they make a single Spot check with a +10 because of the lack of sound and smell? Can static illusions move, just without regard to their environment (like a video on repeat), or are they totally immobile statues/photos?

    While the sensory skill checks have to beat the crafter's Bluff check, is it assumed that the DC to actually detect the illusion is less than the DC set by the Bluff check; such as a distant whisper?
    1 skill check against 1 sensory. If you see it, you make a Spot check, if you hear it, you make a Listen check, if you feel it, taste it or touch it, you make a Survival check. However, it is recommended that if you are playing as an IMCH specialist you take IMCH 167 so that you can make stationary invisibility.

    Static Illusions are illusions that cannot be changed once they are created. For example, you can make an Illusion Angel on a pin head and throw it at a person, and it would look like an Angel is flying at them (or something like that). The image or sensory would not change. This is why, the static option is only useful for hiding massive things that will not be moving or disguising a flying city as a cloud or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanist View Post
    1 skill check against 1 sensory. If you see it, you make a Spot check, if you hear it, you make a Listen check, if you feel it, taste it or touch it, you make a Survival check. However, it is recommended that if you are playing as an IMCH specialist you take IMCH 167 so that you can make stationary invisibility.

    Static Illusions are illusions that cannot be changed once they are created. For example, you can make an Illusion Angel on a pin head and throw it at a person, and it would look like an Angel is flying at them (or something like that). The image or sensory would not change. This is why, the static option is only useful for hiding massive things that will not be moving or disguising a flying city as a cloud or something like that.
    The +5 bonus for a missing sensory quality is applied to the same check (Listen vs Bluff to believe the lack of sound), or is it applied to other sensory skill checks? Do you make a separate skill check for disbelief, or does the Listen check for an auditory illusion apply to actually hearing it AND realizing it's an illusion?

    That doesn't answer the static illusion question. There is a difference between photographs that don't move at all and videos where the image does move, but independent of all stimuli; which kind is the static illusion? Can you make the illusion of an angel flapping its wings as if in flight (animated gif, as it were), or is that pin you're throwing going to be like throwing a statue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by virgileso View Post
    The +5 bonus for a missing sensory quality is applied to the same check (Listen vs Bluff to believe the lack of sound), or is it applied to other sensory skill checks? Do you make a separate skill check for disbelief, or does the Listen check for an auditory illusion apply to actually hearing it AND realizing it's an illusion?
    I'm not precisely sure actually, but I'd believe it would be for the other checks towards the illusion.

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    That doesn't answer the static illusion question. There is a difference between photographs that don't move at all and videos where the image does move, but independent of all stimuli; which kind is the static illusion? Can you make the illusion of an angel flapping its wings as if in flight (animated gif, as it were), or is that pin you're throwing going to be like throwing a statue?
    Photograph. A gif would be more of an adaptive image.
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