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    Default What are Nale's good qualities?

    What good qualities did Nale possess? And don't say something snarky like, "an excellent knife depository", or, "good XP for the Order".

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    He seemed to care about Z here.
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    He seemed remarkably committed to his relationship with Sabine. Infidelity did not appear to be among his worse traits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavenskull View Post
    He seemed remarkably committed to his relationship with Sabine. Infidelity did not appear to be among his worse traits.
    Agreed. Nale also seemed to be relatively smart, even if he tended to make overly complex plans.


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    He seemed to be true to his companions. I couldn't imagine Nale betraying any of his Linear Guild mates. His love for Sabine, and his friendship with Z and Thog all seemed really sincere.

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    Yes, he was loyal.
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    He's loyal to Sabine. Not so much Thog.

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    As with the others, I'll agree that his ability to form mutually fulfilling emotional attachments with at least some other intelligent beings is a definite positive trait, particularly since his father appears to lack it.

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    Does "has a pretty awesome twin" count as good quality?

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    Nale did oppose greater evils - for selfish reasons, yes, but he did oppose them. Make no mistake, the Empire of Nale wouldn't be a great place to live, but I can't really see it being as soul-crushing as one ruled by Tarquin, or especially Malack.

    Nale also demonstrated some small degree of self-awareness. It's not much, but he knows that what he's doing isn't the best way to go about being evil and ruthless and such - and yet, he keeps doing it. So he does care about something other than, well, being evil, and his petty grudges.

    Uh. Apart from that, I've got noth- oh, wait, he paid his associates pretty well. Let's see Xykon do that! Yeah.

    ... you know, if he hadn't stated otherwise, I'd peg Nale as Chaotic.

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    The best thing one can say about Nale is that he may not have turned out as such a scumbag if Tarquin hadn't raised him. Other than that, yeah, I got nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khay View Post
    ... you know, if he hadn't stated otherwise, I'd peg Nale as Chaotic.
    Interesting that you'd say that.


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    I took a few moments to thumb through the author's commentaries. The Giant notes that Nale isn't really a whole lot less evil than Xykon, just less powerful (it's in War & XPs, just before #339) which raises all sorts of interesting questions. Did we ever actually learn what his plan for the Gates was? If I'm interpreting the hallucination correctly, it takes over an hour to explain, which would be a record even for Nale.

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    Nale is charismatic, charming, and apparently a pretty good boss to work for. He pays well. Whatever his own loyalty to his subordinates, he certainly seems capable of inspiring loyalty in them towards him.

    He has moments where he's pretty good at reading people. Although in that example, even as he accurately analyzes Xykon and Haley, he's also completely oblivious to Sabine's jealousy, so not always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khay View Post
    I took a few moments to thumb through the author's commentaries. The Giant notes that Nale isn't really a whole lot less evil than Xykon, just less powerful (it's in War & XPs, just before #339) which raises all sorts of interesting questions. Did we ever actually learn what his plan for the Gates was? If I'm interpreting the hallucination correctly, it takes over an hour to explain, which would be a record even for Nale.
    I think that while Nale may just as Evil as Xykon, he also has some good qualities that make him not a complete monster, unlike Xykon.

    I think his plan could be seemed up as "take over the world", but Nale just took too long to explain it.


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    He was a very determined man. You can say a lot about Nale, but you can't say he ever gave up.

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    Also, while he may have had a bit of an ego, he could recognize when a scene was not about him, as seen in the Battle of Azure City.


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    He also was....focused on his plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion View Post
    He also was....focused on his plan.
    Persistent? Determined?


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    Nale is ambitious, competitive and driven; He can't stand the idea of people having more power than him, than being superior to him, which isn't good, but his total unwillingness to back down from what's a pretty big goal(i.e., ruling the friggin' world) is kind of respectable.

    Nale is also somewhat indomitable; he's a supremely sore loser, but it never phases him for that long. He's bounces back pretty quickly from most of his losses, and when he does, he's always ready to get back to work.

    I think, more than most OotS villains, Nale has the potential to reform into a not-completely-horrible person; I mean, that kinda depends on what kind of hell Rich has devised for the setting, but I think Nale's villainy is something that he does because he's a broken, angry person, in much the same way Miko was, and I'd interested to see what being subjected to the ultimate of all evils did to him.
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    After meeting Tarquin, I've actually felt really bad for Nale. While it does seem like he might have a bit of a natural sadistic streak, I feel like if his mother had managed to keep both twins after all, he'd probably be a pretty decent person, if possibly a bit of a jealous jerk now and again. Nale kind of strikes me as someone with a really natural Chaotic bent trying to be Lawful because it's a way to show up his father, and I figure if he was raised by his mother, he'd probably actually be somewhat Haleyesque - Chaotic Good, but occasionally faltering towards Neutral, plus with a real snarky edge that just feels like part of him.

    Basically, I guess one of the best things I can say about Nale is that... he may have been kind of a terrible person, and he certainly had free will and all, but he was in the end just another one of Tarquin's victims, from the moment he got custody to the moment of his death. His ability to inspire loyalty, commitment in romantic relationships and quite possibly loyalty to his team were solid qualities, and if things had been different, he'd probably have been a pretty good team leader. Given, uh, given a second-in-command who can help him dial back on the complicated plots a bit.
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    Absolutely agreed.

    I think Nale may be my favorite antagonist, as far as his character goes. Honestly, I was quite shocked (and saddened) by his death.


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    He's loyal to Sabine. Not so much Thog.

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    To be fair, Thog is a mid level barbarian. For all we know, he could just shrug it off.

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    To be fair, Thog is a mid level barbarian. For all we know, he could just shrug it off.
    Well, "find new fighter for afterwords" shows that Nale wasn't predicting that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxzan Proditor View Post
    Well, "find new fighter for afterwords" shows that Nale wasn't predicting that.
    Exactly! Thog is a barbarian.

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    Exactly! Thog is a barbarian.
    iirc, Nale is the one with the most fighter levels...
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    Exactly! Thog is a barbarian.
    With levels in fighter. Plus, fighter has definitions outside the Class, you know.


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    He makes plans that will just blow you away.

    I mean damn, the opposition just disintegrates in the face of his brilliance.

    And he takes good care of himself! He has to be the lightest he's ever been.

    But seriously, the key with Nale is that he absolutely does not know when to let go. If you've seen Avatar, Prince Zuko absolutely has a lot of the same traits, the only difference (and the thing that makes Zuko sympathetic and Nale not) is that Zuko is totally lacking Nale's sadistic streak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaDzilla View Post
    What good qualities did Nale possess? And don't say something snarky like, "an excellent knife depository", or, "good XP for the Order".
    That would be ridiculous, anyway.

    Tarquin got XP from Nale, not the order.

    I'd contribute something more constructive to this thread, but others have made all of the points I can think of on the subject.

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