Complete Lich - Your Guide to Immortality and Beyond

[Emperor Demonking]

That wasn't thread necromancy.

This looks really, really good. I'm probably going to use it next game I dm.

[smart thog]

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in honor of super Tuesday (today) I will ask this question politically

Mr. Maerok, if elected lord of liches, what would you do to make them worth their level adjustment?

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by the way, ErrantX, where did you get the fake magic card

[Dryad]

Please remember that there's another thing good about liches: They have a touch attack that deals 1d8 negative energy damage. Who'll prevent them touching themselves? Sure; I don't heal naturally; I'd usually need spells for that. But give me a few rounds, let me touch myself a bit.. Ooh, a bit longer.. And I'm back at full HP.

Or: Gentle Repose. Cast every week. You'll just never decompose, and though people may notice you're dead, they won't find you horrible, since you don't smell, and when you give someone a hand, they won't end up with more fingers then they've started with. Just use Prestidigitation every now and then, for hygiene's sake, and everything's just dandy.

+4 LA is a lot. But when you're an eleventh lvl caster, get your +4 LA lich template, and buy yourself the Spellstitched template.. Well; getting about fifty-odd spells per day extra isn't bad, when you're hitting lvl 12. True, you cóúld get that with another undead template or creature type, too. Personally, the Ghoul could well be more interesting. The Vampire certainly is, in my opinion.

Now I'm wondering: Is a wiz3/cl3/Mystic Theurge8 Spellstitched undead perhaps a certain sign of Munchkin? Hello; I can do every trick in the book, and can cast every spell you'll ever find... Lots of times.

[smart thog]

I don't know about you, but I think the idea of lichs touching themselves is a disturbing one.

[Rigon]

i always considered lich as a valid alternative to the oh so limited life long learning. now i'm in love. i wanna be a lich now.

[MorkaisChosen]

I have to say, the idea of the Bard/Arcane Archer/ BAelnorn has been bouncing round my head for AGES, and I could probably mess with this to make it work...

EDIT: Oops. Forgot I got to this from a sig link and not the front page...

*Flagellates self for dark and evil threadnomancy*

[Maerok]

That's ironically relevant.

[Bookmen]

This is something I feel might also be adressed.

"Or send it out to the Far Realms via a bag of holding + portable hole combo and let them reform there. That'd put any Lich without the proper spells out of order for a while."

In Fiend Folio (yes I know many people dont like it for it's stats but if nothing lese the RP info is good) there are the Kaorti (pg 108).

They were made when a group of "curious wizards" went there and were transformed into Kaorti.

The likely hood of a Lich going to the Far Realm and coming back without any alterations from the energy of the plane is almost, if not, impossible in my opinion.

More so if you consider the fact that in the case mentioned above the Lich is reforming in the Far Plane. The Energy would unquestionalbly affect the Lich.

Lets not also forget that there are things that live in the Far Realm that could affect the lich as well.

[bibliophile]

This is excellent! Perhaps you should mention good liches.

[Kallisti]

... I love it!

Some of the wording is a bit confusing, though.

Still, in one game I'm in I'm playing a Lich Wu Jen/Warmage/Ultimate Magus, and I'm definitelt showing my DM this thread...

[Surfing HalfOrc]

Uber-Thread Necromancy, but a great write up! There were several interensting variants in the book of the same name: "Goodman Games Complete Guide to Liches" had some interesting variants on the Lich.

[Zeta Kai]

Uber-Thread Necromancy, but a great write up! There were several interensting variants in the book of the same name: "Goodman Games Complete Guide to Liches" had some interesting variants on the Lich.

Yes, I've enjoyed that guide as well. However, Maerok's guide gets bonus points for being awesome AND free.

[Maerok]

However, Maerok's guide gets bonus points for being awesome AND free.

As far as you know...

I wanna collect everything I've done and make The Big Book of Bad. Plus, I'm glad this survived the thread kills. Unless those are due in the future.


Also, thread necromancy! Strangely relevant? You decide!

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The thing I don't like about Goodman's Guide is that it seems like it might fall into the same rut that always happens in RPG systems:

They take a neat concept and apply it to everything - warlich, lich-couch, lich-dog, lich-lich, etc. - and at the same time violate the sanctity/unsanctity of that concept from the ground up. They don't know when to call it quits when you approach the outer limits of what the concept originally held dear.

Wizards did this with poison - making a different branch of poison for everything that moves. Positoxin, etc.

[Dante & Vergil]

Moar Thread Necromancy!!!
...Anyway, I thought to ask if there is going to be anymore stuff added to it? Never say never, because one day inspiration may strike for something awsome!!*hint, hint*

[bobthecreapy]

was looking around, and found this post.. figured i'd mention one of my favorite builds i had ever made..

pixie - monk\druid\lich

it was nice to stack the dex, and wis only, and pump out a pixie monk that turns into a druid. The druid then turns into whatever, and after being a lich, and the appropriate feats/stats for shapeshift dragon, eventually you find yourself an undead dragon pixie with stunning fists, an ac/ap based off of wisdom (with the appropriate feats) aswell as your epic spells, immune to sneak attack, and crits... completely naked in dragon form you get

90+ AC, 80+ attack, immune to crit/sneak, epic spells, the ability to fly, shapeshift in a pixie skull so you can almost fit in the space of a bread crumb.. and going with a story line of one wise, and curious pixie you can pull it off pretty easy.

I actualy brought this build to NWN PRC, and it seemed i made alot of scroll of harm, but then again that was because i had NPCs casting heal on me to kill me...

[Volthawk]

The amount of times the thread's come back from the dead strangely fits the topic.

[Roland St. Jude]

Moar Thread Necromancy!!!...

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