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    Default Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLVIII

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XLVIII. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Sunday, August 25th, 2013 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Saturday, September 7th, 2013 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Tome of Battle's Shadow Sun Ninja!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez optimiser!

    Contestants

    Judges

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
    Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
    Iron Chef XLV: Talon of Tiamat
    Iron Chef XLVI: Cipher Adept
    Iron Chef XLVII: Cold Iron Warrior

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    FAQ:
    What's this even about? I'm glad you asked, actually...

    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    Dude, Where's My Swift? Flame of the Shadow Sun (2nd level ability) seems to contradict itself. Here's The Man's RAW reading of it:
    Quote Originally Posted by Curmudgeon
    There are two RAW possibilities:
    1. You use Flame of the Shadow Sun on your turn in one round, and thus have a swift action available on your next turn.
    2. You have an ability (such as that of the Ruby Knight Vindicator, in the same book) which affords an extra swift action in the round.

    Because there are multiple possibilities which work with the text as written, I would use it as is. It's common for a maneuver or class ability to require some specified action which won't match those you currently have available. If you want to use Flame of the Shadow Sun you'll just have to wait until you do have the actions you'll need: i.e., treat it as a swift action action (rather than an immediate action) to use unless you have an extra swift action in your pocket.
    How many maneuvers do I need to qualify? While it implies that you need three (One Shadow Hand/Setting Sun maneuver of 2nd level, one Setting Sun of any level and one Shadow Hand of any level), I'm ruling that 2nd level definitely qualifies as any level. So you need (at least) 1 Setting Sun/Shadow Hand maneuver of 2nd level, and one maneuver of the other discipline of any level to qualify.
    Last edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2013-08-13 at 12:59 PM.

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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    I honestly did not expect that.
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    Didn't someone predict that one or even wish for?

    At least no cipher adept...... :P
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    I. . . I promised myself I wouldn't cry. . .

    Competing. Dammit.
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    I love reading these, but my imperfect Knowledge (3.5) check always keeps me from entering (more of a PF guy). Still, I love reading over all the awesome builds.
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    Holy expletive deleted, batman!

    can we get a ruling/correction/etc on flame of the shadow sun? immediate takes your swift from the next action, so you would never be able to use this ability RAW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    I. . . I promised myself I wouldn't cry. . .

    Competing. Dammit.
    You're welcome

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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    I ... might have an idea here. I don't know if I'll be able to manage it, though.
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    So now you're claiming that spellcasting "lacks a clear, supernatural element?" Being supernatural is literally the only point of magic.

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    I suspect Originality is going to be the real killer here. This is already a widely popular PrC with several well documented builds. Trying to do something that hasn't been done before will certainly be a challenge.
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    Really? I feel that most ToB prestige classes are really under-used save for Bloodstorm blade, Vindicator and jade phoenix, heck the Eternal blade is barely mentioned and it is argueably the strongest non-caster class in the book.
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    Really? I feel that most ToB prestige classes are really under-used save for Bloodstorm blade, Vindicator and jade phoenix, heck the Eternal blade is barely mentioned and it is argueably the strongest non-caster class in the book.
    what he means is that there are only two ways to really enter this class, so everyone's dishes will look largely the same, not that the SI itself is often used.
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    I may just have an entry for this. Consider me a contestant.

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    Ooh, cool, shadow sun ninja! Oh, right. I'm not good with initiators. Possibly competing, but that's a very weak maybe.

    EDIT: While we're discussing RAW questions, could we get an action for Darkness within Light? I know it's probably a free action, but it doesn't actually say.
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    Ooh, cool, shadow sun ninja! Oh, right. I'm not good with initiators. Possibly competing, but that's a very weak maybe.
    I've heard that there's a guide floating around for SS that's supposed to be pretty good =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viscount View Post
    Ooh, cool, shadow sun ninja! Oh, right. I'm not good with initiators. Possibly competing, but that's a very weak maybe.

    EDIT: While we're discussing RAW questions, could we get an action for Darkness within Light? I know it's probably a free action, but it doesn't actually say.
    while we're on that subject, can we get a definition for "effectively blinded" ? regarding who you can target with your darkness within light ability?
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    I've been out for 2 rounds, time to throw my chef hat back into the ring.

    Also, wow; it seems there's a lot of rules clarifications needed on this PrC. Thanks, WoTC.
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    Sigh and I will be out for most of the cooking time, but this is pretty darn cool... I might try something.
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    I shall take up judging for this one
    Too few ideas for this one.

    Fun class but nothing to work on as a contestant

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    and others like power curve(does the build have a drop in power at any point)which are the minor things
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    I've always had difficulty finding the winners' builds from previous competitions. Sorry for the not directly related post, but are there any quick links to the winners in the previous competition threads?

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    NOPE!
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    I can't decide if I should judge or compete...

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    Oh dear. ToB junkie here, I might just have to enter this round (probably will let laziness get in the way, but you never know).
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    I've always had difficulty finding the winners' builds from previous competitions. Sorry for the not directly related post, but are there any quick links to the winners in the previous competition threads?
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    NOPE!
    Of course there is, here.

    Interestingly Noxius used shadow sun monk on IC III.

    I am also quite saddened because a quick google search revealed part of what I was going to do originally. Well, **** happens.
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    Of course there is, here.

    Interestingly Noxius used shadow sun monk on IC III.
    Oh man, I remember that one. The competition was so damn amazing that it was an honor just to be in the running up. If I hadn't gone for ending in HFW, done to shore up my weaknesses against those immune to disease, I'd have probably scored better overall. One error in judgment cost me points across the board in Elegance, and likely lost me a trophy.

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    I might just have an idea for this. Need to spend some time fiddling with it to see if everything actually comes together and works, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Let's see if I can't redeem myself after the (entirely justified) slagging that my last entry took.

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    Hmm. Not the PrC I was hoping for, but a very intriguing one nonetheless. I don't have any specific ideas yet, just a few potential hooks to investigate further. Tentatively competing.
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    Holy crap a ToB prestige class?!

    ...I know I said I wanted to try my hand at judging...and I kinda have to soon...but I want to do this one so badly...

    How badly could I be kicked for wanting to have a shot at this? I have no ideas at all yet but I love this idea so much it is just so tempting...
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    I have a few ideas I need to kick around for this one . . .

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    Well I have my theme, but I'm not sure on the execution. We shall see how we go however, and see what I can do.

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