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    Let's say, hypothetically you enter into a game in which the DM, GM or what ever he, most likely he in this case, has a few house rules. One of them is that no female character may have more than a 16 to Strength before racial bonuses. The rationale is that in real life on human female can every reach the brute strength of men in the top 75%. Would you tolerate this house rule, or just get the hell out?
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    that house rule is way not cool, and just the start of a whole lot of other problems. I'd say my goodbyes and leave.
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    Get the hell out. Seriously, the only reason anybody would do this is blatant sexism. Any appeals to realism are plainly ludicrous given how poor D&D realism is, even before getting into the deliberately fantastic stuff. Not that appeals to realism for enforced gender modifiers is ever appropriate, it's just extra ludicrous in a game where you can stabilize dying people by drowning them or move an item at relativistic speeds simply by passing it along to others.

    Also, why would you even ask about the scenario? It's just such an obvious no-no that it shouldn't need asking.
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    Also unrealistic: Magic. Any character above maybe 10th level. The entire economy of D&D.

    I've never understood the obsession with STR. Why not give men a CON cap since they don't routinely deal with child birth? Do males roll 2d10 instead of 3d6 for intelligence, since men have a wider bell curve on IQ? Are we giving females a +2 to Sense Motive and Bluff?

    It's... pretty blatantly sexist when it only cuts one way.

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    I was inspired by this thread at Dragonsfoot. Well, by Mjollnir's post to be more precise. Whose views I do not endorse or agree with.

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    In a D&D-type game?

    I'm a bad person, so my first impulse would be to play a female, go wizard, dump strength, and break the game in half.

    My second impulse would be to play a female drow. (Drow women are taller and stronger than the men, IIRC.)

    My third impulse would be to point out that in D&D3, Strength can go from an average on 10 to the mid-30s on a sufficiently twinked-out character. "Realism got left bleeding in the dirt a long way back."

    And I guess my zeroth impulse would be to say, "Dude, what? Just....no." Normally, women may be weaker than men on the average, but there's nothing "normal" about player characters, and the female ones can go everywhere, do everything, and kill everyone the menz can.
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    If the DM had a similar cap for male characters in other areas, I am not sure I would be all that upset about it. Say, cap STR and CON at 16 for females, and INT and WIS at 16 for males. Guys are stronger, but girls are smarter. Somewhat sexist, sure, but it would add a level of strategy to choosing the gender of your character.

    ALSO that would only be at character creation, if through the course of gaining levels, new abilities, stat bonuses, etc. the female reached 30 INT, so be it.
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    Depending on the circumstances, the question if there is something of a counterbalancing element, and the amount I think the GM in question is trustworthy not to be a horrible person, well, maybe. It is not a houserule that makes the GM more endearing but it is not necessarily because that is a horrible person; it could be badly understood 'realism'.
    It's not like there is no possible reasoning whatsoever why gender-based ability adjustments are necessarily bad, but they have the unfortunate tendency to follow the same tired and usually inappropriate gender stereotypes, but especially in a fantasy setting that is not necessarily so; there is no reason why, for example, female dwarves are significantly stronger and more robust than their male counterparts.
    And you could probably use the same (but generally more harmless) cliché argumentation to limit the maximum ability scores of male characters for Wisdom and Charisma to 16 as well. It's not a good houserule by any means, but it is not necessarily an expression of utter misogyny either. If it is, well I would suggest to leave the group.
    If it is more like a realism issue, well, you could argue that realism in any game that include flying, fire-breathing newts and you know MAGIC is not one of the most important issues of the game anyway, but if it s somehow important to that game or setting, there are more elegant and less dingy-looking ways to include gender-based adjustments.

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    Default Re: Would you tolerate a DM who places Strength caps on female characters?

    So how did his views inspire you? To see if there were people out there who might express the same kind of regressive opinions on gender roles?

    And originalginger, no, just no. Gender is far too personal and important a subject to make a matter of strategy, not to mention that pretty much any rule you could come up with would just be repeating prejudice and not reflect any kind of reality. Just leave it at equality and back away from the whole issue if you want not to be sexist.

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    Depending on the circumstances, the question if there is something of a counterbalancing element, and the amount I think the GM in question is trustworthy not to be a horrible person, well, maybe. It is not a houserule that makes the GM more endearing but it is not necessarily because that is a horrible person; it could be badly understood 'realism'.
    It's not like there is no possible reasoning whatsoever why gender-based ability adjustments are necessarily bad, but they have the unfortunate tendency to follow the same tired and usually inappropriate gender stereotypes, but especially in a fantasy setting that is not necessarily so; there is no reason why, for example, female dwarves are significantly stronger and more robust than their male counterparts.
    And you could probably use the same (but generally more harmless) cliché argumentation to limit the maximum ability scores of male characters for Wisdom and Charisma to 16 as well. It's not a good houserule by any means, but it is not necessarily an expression of utter misogyny either. If it is, well I would suggest to leave the group.
    If it is more like a realism issue, well, you could argue that realism in any game that include flying, fire-breathing newts and you know MAGIC is not one of the most important issues of the game anyway, but if it s somehow important to that game or setting, there are more elegant and less dingy-looking ways to include gender-based adjustments.

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    So how did his views inspire you? To see if there were people out there who might express the same kind of regressive opinions on gender roles?
    I wouldn't say that it inspired me in a good way. Frankly I find his house rule on female Strength moronic and abhorent. I was just wondering if anyone here could stomach playing in a game/campaign like that, or if like me they'e just walk right out the door. I was certainly hoping that.

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    I wouldn't say that it inspired me in a good way. Frankly I find his house rule on female Strength moronic and abhorent. I was just wondering if anyone here could stomach playing in a game/campaign like that, or if like me they'e just walk right out the door. I was certainly hoping that.
    Ah, okay. So basically what I guessed. And I'd personally say that if somebody doesn't walk out should such a houserule be stated it says some pretty bad things about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Let's say, hypothetically you enter into a game in which the DM, GM or what ever he, most likely he in this case, has a few house rules. One of them is that no female character may have more than a 16 to Strength before racial bonuses. The rationale is that in real life on human female can every reach the brute strength of men in the top 75%. Would you tolerate this house rule, or just get the hell out?
    I'd take that as a hint that the DM not only doesn't understand real life but also doesn't understand games and as such will have even worse boneheaded decisions and houserules just waiting to be discovered.

    So it depends on whether I wanted to plumb the depths of the other person's mind, but if I did play, it wouldn't be for mutual fun, that's for sure.
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    Ah, okay. So basically what I guessed. And I'd personally say that if somebody doesn't walk out should such a houserule be stated it says some pretty bad things about them.
    Am i the only one who think that such a generalizing condemnation is somewhat inappropriate?
    Don't get me wrong - i don't think that this rule is a good idea. I wouldn't use something like that in most games*, and I wouldn't recommend it either. Buuut: without knowing were the GM comes from, what is his reasoning and which purpose such a rule could have or if/how it is counterbalanced seems a bit narrow-minded to me. If there is no good reason, yes I agree, it is a stupid and offensive rule - and even then, it might make more sense to discuss this than to just walk out and assuming the worst intentions from anyone.


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    I don't think I would object to a game system that had slightly different rules for male and female characters. Not five minutes ago the wife commented on the American ninja warrior show she was watching, stating that she felt sexist but the women are all at a disadvantage in the show. They're weaker and shorter than the men, and with so many events being jumping and climbing based, that really hurts them. I don't think it's sexism that keeps men and women on separate sports teams past the age of puberty.

    But I would object to a GM that used these rules for sexist reasons. Whenever I've seen a GM try to assert this sort of rule it's been for misogynistic reasons. So I don't think I have a problem with the simulationist aspect, but I wouldn't trust that that's all that's going on and it would definitely set off red flags.

    I also wouldn't agree with the rule as a D&D mechanic. It's too extreme. A D&D halfling male starts at 25 lbs and a height of 3'4". Their max strength is 16. A human female is on average 2 feet taller and 5 times that weight. There's no way they should have the same strength penalty (well, max strength score) as a halfling. If you wanted to say that women have a -0.2 penalty to their strength, but it's just for flavor and gets rounded off for all practical purposes, that's fine. On a scale of 3-18 though, there aren't enough points to represent the difference.

    Finally, D&D is about epic fantasy heroes. If someone wants to be a badass female paladin, more power to them. Why restrict that sort of thing to male characters only?
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    It's silly, sexist and ridiculous and rushing to realism is particularly silly when things like completely incoherent systems of government or economies that barely even exist don't raise an eyebrow. These are far bigger issues than sexual dimorphism and ones that don't carry inherently offensive traits, yet people who want to be "realistic" tend to ignore them in favor of sexual dimorphism or weird insistence that women didn't do anything in the past. Basically, realism isn't a defense when you don't rush to be realistic in far more central aspects and even if you do, being inclusive is more important than modeling this little wrinkle out in exacting detail. Not like other abstractions aren't inherently part of any system anyway.

    So, no, I don't care what excuses or counterbalances or similar people might come up with. It's goofy sexism either way. And goofy sexism that doesn't understand how different aspects of human bodies interact at that.

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    It'd certainly make me raise an eyebrow and wonder just what the heck is going on with that DM. But would it prevent me from having fun in that game? Who knows. Its more an indicator of weird DMing tendencies and an obsession with minutia and their own internal worldview than an outright 'problem' for me. I'd be concerned about what else the DM is going to do along the same line more than anything else. Moral outrage isn't really a factor for me at all, but bad gaming definitely is.

    If nothing else though, there's a high probability that this guy would generate a lot of 'so yeah, I had this absolutely crazy DM...' stories.

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    If by "tolerate" you mean "physically assault", then yes.

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    Well, it really depends on exactly what's going on and why.

    Is the DM's intent, whether he knows it or not, implicitly sexist and driven by sexist assumptions and values? If not, I think a calm discussion about why it's a bad idea would suffice.

    Of course, there's an approximately 0% chance that it isn't being driven by implicit sexism. In my (narrow, non-empirically relevant) experience, whenever someone describes women's role in medieval Europe to justify their fantasy sexism, it is always accompanied by a silent "those were the good ol' days." So I'd say realistically speaking, I'd drop the game immediately, but if the DM was genuinely not doing it for terrible reasons, I'd see if we could come to an agreement.

    But I would never actually play the game with the rule in place.

    You know, it's funny. I usually DM. After my last campaign, my players commented that they liked how I always did really interesting things with the notion of gender and defied a lot of gender roles. I was surprised, because I do play tabletop games for escapism to some degree, and gender roles are one of the things I seek to escape from. I never think about them much when I run games.

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    Of course, there's an approximately 0% chance that it isn't being driven by implicit sexism. In my (narrow, non-empirically relevant) experience, whenever someone describes women's role in medieval Europe to justify their fantasy sexism, it is always accompanied by a silent "those were the good ol' days." So I'd say realistically speaking, I'd drop the game immediately, but if the DM was genuinely not doing it for terrible reasons, I'd see if we could come to an agreement.
    Not to mention that the "medieval" gender roles they describe are a bastardized version of the most oppressive strains of bourgeois, Victorian culture transplanted on top of an agrarian society and not actually anything resembling medieval Europe with its female guildmasters, frequent remarriage and queens serving as regents.

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    In isolation, I would probably tolerate this stupid rule, though not silently, and only if I couldn't convince them out of it. It's bad, but it's not, by itself, a deal-breaker. (And Terraoblivion, just because a rule is without merit does not a priori mean it's of enough importance to outweigh any other possible consideration.)

    However, in practice, the odds of this being the only problem with the game are rather low, so I doubt I'd stay very long.
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    No way. That would send up all kinds of warning signs, to me.

    If a player is convinced women should be weak in fantasy elf land, let them be terrible and put a low score in strength.

    One of my favorite old school rpgs is called Powers & Perils. It's crazy and I love it anyway. It has actual tables where women have penalties to Strength/Intelligence and bonuses to stamina and empathy. I considered running it for a while because I'm insane, but decided if I did, I'd have to let players pick either column. It's one of those weird historical artifacts and a product of its time, but that doesn't make it cool today. (AD&D limits women to 18/50, for another example.)

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    And originalginger, no, just no. Gender is far too personal and important a subject to make a matter of strategy, not to mention that pretty much any rule you could come up with would just be repeating prejudice and not reflect any kind of reality.
    I never said that I necessarily agreed with such a rule, and as a DM, I would never implement a rule that differentiated between genders, my players are allowed gay or transgendered characters if they want, and can play whatever gender they see fit . That said, in fantasy, the worlds are created by gods, and there would be nothing stopping those gods from creating the genders with massive discrepancies in their abilities, and if it has relevance to the world and is implemented with taste, I see no issue with in, at least in principal.

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    Not to mention that the "medieval" gender roles they describe are a bastardized version of the most oppressive strains of bourgeois, Victorian culture transplanted on top of an agrarian society and not actually anything resembling medieval Europe with its female guildmasters, frequent remarriage and queens serving as regents.
    Unfortunately most people still go by the wrongheaded Victorian beliefs about the medieval era than actual history. I still don't get why.

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    In isolation, I would probably tolerate this stupid rule, though not silently, and only if I couldn't convince them out of it. It's bad, but it's not, by itself, a deal-breaker. (And Terraoblivion, just because a rule is without merit does not a priori mean it's of enough importance to outweigh any other possible consideration.)
    It's not just without merit. It's offensive and it is offensive to a group that happens to include me, so I don't get the privilege of just ignoring it either. Not just that, the kind of person who thinks that it's a good rule is probably the kind of person who holds other offensive views about women and I'm not going to humor, condone or implicitly support that.

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    I'd be okay with "female" being a +0 LA template that provides -2 STR and +2 CHA.

    And didn't 1st edition have racial and gender maximums for stats?
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    Having 18 strength means you can lift 300 lbs (136 kg) over your head. In 2012 Tatiana Kashirina lifted 151 kg over her head in snatch.
    That means she needs to have 19 strength according to D&D rules.

    In other words that rule is blatantly sexist and unrealistic. The DM is bad and should feel bad. Don't bother trying to reason with this individual, just leave.
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    I'd be okay with "female" being a +0 LA template that provides -2 STR and +2 CHA.

    And didn't 1st edition have racial and gender maximums for stats?
    So basically, double down on the sexism?

    Also, 1st being sexist/speciest doesn't excuse that in the present.

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    Honestly, with the prevalence of people picking humans as their race for 3.5 (which, I suppose, is have the point, as humans are usually the most common race), I've started to take a good hard look at racial bonuses (not LA adjusted races, mind you) and wondering if I could easily get away with it being purely cosmetic.

    In the nature of this thread, I think it rings very true. Can you seriously say half-orcs are just uglier, stupider and stronger then other people?

    Like wise, +/- 2 is a pretty hefty penalty to impose on half of the people in the game world. I can't even justify it for trying to invoke a feeling of a sexist culture, I mean, half the point then would be to prove to those people that they were wrong. You character sheet would immediately prove them right (in a meta sense).
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