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2013-09-23, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Ehn. I don't think I'll get done in time. If I miss the deadline, I'll do a brief text write-up as an exhibition. The design likely would fail miserably in power, anyway, if it didn't flub in elegance. And even then...well.
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2013-09-23, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
It depends on the kinds of durian, since there are many different varieties. individual taste is also a big part of it.
rotting fermented shark is called "hakarl"
I stand by my comparison to durian, though. the stink for your super BO ability, and how most people (actual play) think it's awful, but a small minority (us) think it's workable or maybe even kind of... good?I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my new sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New book coming soon.
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2013-09-23, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Can't get my concept to do anything reasonably original, apparently. I'll be judging this round. Criteria will be edited in to this post shortly.
EDIT: As promised:
SpoilerMY CRITERIA: When more than a single example is given for a score, not all examples need be met to warrant that score.
Originality: Originality looks in part at the established archetypes and builds that the community at large has produced over the years. Characters attempting to perform, yet less adept at performing, as a well-established archetype - for instance, a charger - than typical for that archetype will score lower here than characters attempting to break new ground. Examples of a given score:
5 - A new concept, necessitating the Thrall of Orcus PrC.
4 - A new concept, using Thrall of Orcus without requiring it to tick.
3 - An unusual concept that has been showcased on gaming forums before, or that is featured in other contest entrants. It’s not new, but it’s not stock standard either.
2 - An old reliable concept, substituting Thrall of Orcus for the one typically used in discussions of builds of this type.
1 - A build either cut and pasted or cobbled together entirely from extant handbooks and other known works. No new ideas are presented.
Power: Power is measured assuming a 1st - 20th campaign. Characters that come to power very late in the progression, or that are somehow ineligible to play at low levels, can expect a deduction here as surely as characters whose power peaks at low-to-mid levels and then relatively diminishes. Examples of a given score, relative to other entrants in the contest:
5 - Easily the most powerful, flexible build presented here.
4 - A powerful character that might need help or additional preparation in specific circumstances to continue to do its job well.
3 - A build that is of average power for the contest, neither significantly stronger nor appreciably weaker overall. It may dominate in niche cases or be rendered weak in other niche cases.
2 - While less powerful than the typical entry for this contest, the character manages to contribute reasonably without relying on help from other party members.
1 - The build struggles to perform to the expectations typical for a character in the role assigned. Either the character relies heavily on help from other party members or requires specific equipment not restricted to the given role in order to be useful.
Elegance: Note that I tie the Elegance score closely to the Secret Ingredient. Shifter Druid 18/Moonspeaker 2 may be simple, but it is not an elegant use of Moonspeaker, to my mind. Note also that my default assumption is that characters presented are being inserted into an already-established world. A character that requires the DM to rewrite or ignore large swaths of existing fluff for your concept to work is unlikely to score highly in Elegance. References to Unearthed Arcana include those aspects of Unearthed Arcana that are included in the Variant section of the SRD. If I have to go hunting through books just to figure out where you got a particular feat, item, template, or obscure skill usage, expect no more than a 2 in Elegance. Examples of a given score:
5 - Thrall of Orcus is entered appropriately early and taken to completion. All class levels, feats, skills, and disclosed items are smoothly tied together and progress the whole concept seamlessly and in a logical order. Favored Class rules are adhered to, and single-level dips are kept to a bare minimum - no more than one. No Unearthed Arcana, templates, LA or Racial HD, or other obvious power-oriented shenanigans were used. One could reasonably expect a majority of DMs to allow both the concept and progression to happen in a typical game.
4 - Thrall of Orcus is entered reasonably early, perhaps delayed a bit or taken piecemeal, but finished. All class levels, feats, skills, and disclosed items are useful, but may not be intuitive choices to augment the presented concept. No Unearthed Arcana, templates, LA or Racial HD, or other obvious shenanigans were used, though Favored Class rules may have been ignored. One might expect to have to explain some bits of the build fairly carefully to a DM and possibly work out some accommodations, but flying books or dice bags are unlikely.
3 - Thrall of Orcus is taken to completion, but entered later than expected or typical of this contest. Class levels, feats, skills, and disclosed items are taken in a disjointed fashion, perhaps indicating power is more important than concept. This character may use a race with a level adjustment for thematic reasons, or be forced to take a flaw or two to fit everything in, or use some other method of grabbing more feats or spells or other features than one would typically expect. One would have to work closely with the DM for some features of the presented build to be available, work as described in the build presented, or come online in a timely fashion, and wouldn’t necessarily expect to get this character approved by a DM that doesn’t know the player well.
2 - Thrall of Orcus is abandoned before reaching its capstone or entered too late to finish before Epic levels. Class levels, feats, skills, and disclosed items do not share a unifying theme or work toward a more powerful whole. A template and LA are both included, possibly with flaws. Without an established rapport with a DM, one would expect the concept to meet with enough resistance that having a Plan B is advised when pitching the idea.
1 - Vivacious Anthropomorphic Dire Were-Squid Half-Fiend Domain Wizard with Frail and Inattentive and. . . no. Just no. So many discordant templates and feats and ideas have been slapped together that ‘a Wizard did it’ is the only viable explanation for the character’s existence. Thrall of Orcus appears to have been an afterthought to the overall design. You would fully expect the character idea either to be rejected by the DM, or to have come into being entirely through the DM’s meddling with your character, and wouldn’t broach the subject with the DM if dice, books or other potential projectiles were within easy reach.
Use of Secret Ingredient: This is a conglomeration of how well, and how thoroughly, you incorporate the abilities of the Secret Ingredient into the build. Examples of a given score, relative to other entrants:
5 - A fresh, original usage maximizing the particular strengths and minimizing the particular weaknesses of the Thrall of Orcus. Every aspect of Thrall of Orcus is utilized in the best way of any entry presented.
4 - A solid, complete usage of Thrall of Orcus. Specific strengths of the Secret Ingredient were emphasized with minimal emphasis taken away from other strengths, or without negating known weaknesses.
3 - Use of Thrall of Orcus was typical for the contest. Synergies were not emphasized especially, and some features of the Thrall of Orcus were ignored for the sake of maximizing a particular trick or two.
2 - Others used the Thrall of Orcus more thoroughly, but this entry’s usage wasn’t bad. The overall concept works but doesn’t especially synergize with the Thrall of Orcus' strengths well. If the main trick you're highlighting is based on your other class(es), don't expect higher than a 2 here.
1 - The Thrall of Orcus is actively hindering the concept presented. Clearly the character would have been stronger with a different Prestige Class, and the Thrall of Orcus got shoe-horned in there because of the contest.Last edited by Amphetryon; 2013-09-23 at 04:22 PM.
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2013-09-23, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2013-09-23, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my new sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New book coming soon.
Iron Chef Medals!
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2013-09-23, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Ok, build submitted.
I felt a bit rushed at the end of it all here, so I'm not feeling that it's as well done as it could be, but it's in on time. Hopefully it'll be well received.
Good luck to the other cooks this round, and thank you to all of the judges.
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2013-09-23, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
I was feeling good this morning.
Then I learn Piggy, OMG, AND Macaberet are playing?
Well, at least there's always honorable mention, right?
Actually it's unfair to identify those 3 alone, everyone's really begun to get the challenge nailed down; consistently getting 14-15+ scores leaving it a big jumble for points.
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2013-09-23, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
I know what you mean. I'm excited to see what everyone's cooked up, because I know they'll all be awesome, but I'm dreading to see what Piggy, OMG, and Macaberet have cooked up, because I'm reasonably sure they'll be more awesome than mine. Oh well, maybe this is the round where I blow away all the competition and dethrone some of the top chefs.
That, or I'll be a fightin' ye fer the Honorable Mention.
It's also possible that Vknight's predictions may start coming true, and I may start consistently hitting 4th place. Who knows?
Good luck to all of my fellow chefs!
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2013-09-23, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
I am confident in getting a relatively high scoring...if no one took my idea.
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2013-09-23, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Mr. Chairman, I just updated my second dish (after finding a few typos), can you confirm receipt of that submission?
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2013-09-23, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Update on the number of confirmed Entrants- #11
Spoiler; Kazyan
; Venger
; relytdan
; Vaz
; Keynub
; sabelo2000 (x2)
; Piggy Knowles
; Korahir
; Deadline (x2)
; OMG Ponies!
; Macabaret
; YOU!
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- Amphetryon
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2013-09-23, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Note that my criteria have been listed, now.
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2013-09-23, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
I also got mine in earlier, not sure if it's been seen by the Chairman yet. (Also, not sure of time zones, but I THINK I made it in before the deadline.)
I would say more, but I fear I'd give away which is mine if I did.
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2013-09-23, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-23, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
the deadline's for 1159 GMT. that's in about an hour.
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my new sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New book coming soon.
Iron Chef Medals!
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2013-09-23, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Whee! I wasn't planning on submitting and then I did. Enjoy.
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2013-09-23, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Nope =). 5 Minutes.
And more recruits!
; Kazyan
; Venger
; relytdan
; Vaz
; Keynub
; sabelo2000 (x2)
; Piggy Knowles
; Korahir
; Deadline (x2)
; OMG Ponies!
; Macabaret
; Segev
; mattie_p
Brings us to 13 entrants declared, with a couple of extra entries, so expecting 15+.
First time I've actually read a reveal (hopefully) as it's posted. 6 day weeks ending at 5pm on a Sunday typically result in crashing around 9pm. Don't let me down, Kuulv!
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2013-09-23, 06:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
According to http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/, we've still got 48 minutes.
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IC XLV: Dead Mists
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2013-09-23, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-09-23, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
How intriguing. But yes, I'm including DST in my accounting. We brits tend ti forget the difference between GMT and BST.
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2013-09-23, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Well darn!
I'm getting hungry!Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2013-09-23, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
the hour of judgement is upon us.
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my new sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New book coming soon.
Iron Chef Medals!
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2013-09-23, 07:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
Please, abstain from posting until I've got all of the entries posted.
Much appreciated.
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2013-09-23, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
It's just the Captain.
Originally Posted by Captain Tardis
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2013-09-23, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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A controversial opinion on Orcus
Originally Posted by The Decaying Tears
Last edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2013-09-23 at 08:26 PM.
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2013-09-23, 08:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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[redacted]Last edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2013-09-24 at 05:05 PM.
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2013-09-23, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
It's all in the family
Originally Posted by Henry Oakshield the 666th
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2013-09-23, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX
There's a fine line between love and loathe
Originally Posted by Doctor Dellamorte
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2013-09-23, 08:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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He's sold his soul at least twice over
Originally Posted by Dobluth
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2013-09-23, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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He's riding the Highway To Hell
Originally Posted by Derek Bragg
Last edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2013-09-23 at 08:36 PM.