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    This abomination looks like it comes out of some of the worst Doctor Who serials.

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    The Giant Space Hamster, first introduced to me by Baldur's Gate, and I found out about Spelljammer by looking it up.

    How painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keynub View Post
    This abomination looks like it comes out of some of the worst Doctor Who serials.
    Why, I don't know what you mean...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles View Post
    Why, I don't know what you mean...
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    (Actually, I liked that episode quite a bit.)

    Hey, I found the Thief of Life in an official online Wizards source!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophelia
    I expected that using Ghostwalk would get some sideways looks in this competition, but the logic given by the honorable Judges doesn't sit well with me.

    Amphetryon calls it "Known Cheese" and I admit, Ophelia does smell more like Brie than Velveeta. But I've never seen Ghostwalk used in this competition or discussed on these boards, so (more as a question than a dispute) my rebuttal is, "Known to whom?"

    But my real issue is with Dysprosium and WhamBamSam's rulings. They indicate, severally, that the template rates a scoring penalty because (a) it doesn't have a LA and (b) WoTC didn't errata it in 3.5 to include a LA.

    In a competition that's specifically designed around squeezing every bit of RAW abuse possible, the argument of "It doesn't have a LA penalty, but it should, so have a scoring penalty instead" is a bit odoriferous.
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Tardis
    Whether builds were penalized or gained bonus for multiclassing-

    many people recommend ignoring XP penalties, becase they're bad for balance. All they do is penalize low op mundanes.
    They shouldn't have made the transition from 3.0 to 3.5. It was an editing error.


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    You canít apply inherited templates to your animal companion, so a magebred dire wolf isnít kosher. (-0.5)
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    ALTERNATIVE ANIMAL COMPANIONS 7th Level or Higher (Level Ė6) Dire wolf

    With past competitions rulings that have permited various things on the premis of the DM allowing it - Nothing within the rules above says that the DM could not allow a templated animal companion that would in fact be completely typical for its kind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ari
    Thank you for your judging. I found your critiques overall fair, but I have one dispute to make. WhamBamSam, you mention Races of the Wild being the most recent version of the feat, but Complete Adventurer was also published in February of '05. This was the version of the feat I used.
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    I'm not sure what you mean by weaknesses in your breakdown. If it was in reference to his Reflex save, he's got a maneuver to substitute Concentration (and therefor Perform) for it instead. Mostly, I was just a bit unclear on this one.


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    I was a little disappointed there was no commentary on the ability to kill people with Perform checks via the Insightful Strike/Undersong combo. I've seen Undersong used for the save maneuvers, but not for smiting people down. I thought it was a neat little deal myself. That said, it's awfully hard to dispute anything you said, so if there is no adjustment I understand.


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    Baelfire bumps his Inspire Courage by +1 at Ninth Level, not 19th with the Song of the Heart feat. I'm not sure that factors into your score at all, or if it was a typo on your part. There's also +1 from his Inspirational Boost spell. So he's sitting on +3 Inspire courage, not just +2.


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    I, also, am excited for three judges. I'm also eagerly awaiting the reveal, for various reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophelia
    But my real issue is with Dysprosium and WhamBamSam's rulings. They indicate, severally, that the template rates a scoring penalty because (a) it doesn't have a LA and (b) WoTC didn't errata it in 3.5 to include a LA.

    In a competition that's specifically designed around squeezing every bit of RAW abuse possible, the argument of "It doesn't have a LA penalty, but it should, so have a scoring penalty instead" is a bit odoriferous.
    I'm not sure where you're getting the impression that the competition is designed around squeezing every bit of RAW abuse possible. That's kind of been done already. This is an exercise in PO above all else, and sometimes that means being aware when things might get books thrown at your head. As I said, unlisted LA counting as LA+0 is probably the RAW, but there are plenty of people, even hardcore optimizers on these boards, who would see something like Ghostwalk ghost or unseelie fey as questionable. I personally would allow it as a DM, but I stand by my decision to give you a small rap on the knuckles. Score stands. You got a lot more points from the template than you lost, if that's any consolation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Tardis
    Whether builds were penalized or gained bonus for multiclassing-

    many people recommend ignoring XP penalties, becase they're bad for balance. All they do is penalize low op mundanes.
    They shouldn't have made the transition from 3.0 to 3.5. It was an editing error.


    Captain Tardis
    You canít apply inherited templates to your animal companion, so a magebred dire wolf isnít kosher. (-0.5)
    < PHB p35 > A 1st-level druidís companion is completely typical for its kind
    except as noted in the sidebar on page 36 - Animal Companion Basics: Use the base statistics for a creature of the
    companionís kind, as given in the Monster Manual, but make the following changes.
    ALTERNATIVE ANIMAL COMPANIONS 7th Level or Higher (Level Ė6) Dire wolf

    With past competitions rulings that have permited various things on the premis of the DM allowing it - Nothing within the rules above says that the DM could not allow a templated animal companion that would in fact be completely typical for its kind.
    I absolutely agree on multiclass penalties, but they are RAW. Disregarding them is a common houserule, but it's a house rule nonetheless. That might seem contradictory with the above statement, but basically they both amount to needing your DM to be nice to you in a way that is by no means guaranteed in the average game.

    Dire Wolf is listed as a possible animal companion. Magebred Dire Wolf is not. A Magebred Dire Wolf is typical of Magebred Dire Wolves, but it isn't typical of Dire Wolves by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, DM fiat can get around that, but DM fiat can get around everything. Score stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari
    Thank you for your judging. I found your critiques overall fair, but I have one dispute to make. WhamBamSam, you mention Races of the Wild being the most recent version of the feat, but Complete Adventurer was also published in February of '05. This was the version of the feat I used.
    Huh... You're absolutely right. I penalized Babalon for that as well, so that should be reversed in both cases. Add +0.5 points to Ari's and Babalon's point totals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baelfire
    I was a little disappointed there was no commentary on the ability to kill people with Perform checks via the Insightful Strike/Undersong combo. I've seen Undersong used for the save maneuvers, but not for smiting people down. I thought it was a neat little deal myself. That said, it's awfully hard to dispute anything you said, so if there is no adjustment I understand.

    Baelfire bumps his Inspire Courage by +1 at Ninth Level, not 19th with the Song of the Heart feat. I'm not sure that factors into your score at all, or if it was a typo on your part. There's also +1 from his Inspirational Boost spell. So he's sitting on +3 Inspire courage, not just +2.
    Fun as the Undersong trick is, I'm afraid that the Originality score stands.

    The Song of the Heart/Inspirational boost was something that I just missed though. So effectiveness at the things you do should be (+0.5), not (+0.25). Add +0.25 points to Baelfire's total.

    Random aside. I was kind of surprised not to see Song of the White Raven fluffed as playing really fast on a metal themed Bardblade.

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    Well my ratings are in



    everyone gets -2's, this thread is to long for me to read everything ever stated, so Am just giving everyone -2's to keep things interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophelia
    Amphetryon calls it "Known Cheese" and I admit, Ophelia does smell more like Brie than Velveeta. But I've never seen Ghostwalk used in this competition or discussed on these boards, so (more as a question than a dispute) my rebuttal is, "Known to whom?
    I suggest perusal of other CharOp forums, such as the one linked above by WhamBamSam. There's at least one poster there who responded to virtually every request for help squeezing MOAR POWAH out of a build for several months with "Be a Ghostwalk Ghost," until he ultimately merely linked to the template/discussions of it in his .sig. In other words, it's not an obscure or unknown tactic, and by your own admission it's cheesy. That sounds like "known cheese," does it not?

    Remember, we're not all working from the exact same level of CharOp knowledge; what's a fresh, new trick to one judge could well be yesterday's news to another. That's one of the consequences of having different judges.

    @Baelfire: "Weaknesses" refers, in general, to things that Thrall of Orcus doesn't particularly excel at. It doesn't improve Bardic Music/Knowledge, or particularly help spellcasting (you didn't use any tricks I didn't already note to improve Caster level, for instance), to list two off the top of my head.

    I saw the Undersong combo, and - though I did not expressly comment on it (blame the powdered cockatrice and absinthe) - it was a factor in your Power rating already. Rock on.
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    Wow, fast response to disputes, WhamBamSam. If it's not too much trouble, could you edit your judging post to reflect the new scores? It'll make things much easier when compiling for Hall of Heroes.
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    Tallies After Three Judges

    {table=head]Entry|Place|Total|Average
    Babalon|Gold|48.25|4.020833333
    Derek "Baelfire" Bragg|Silver|46.25|3.854166667
    Dobluth|Bronze|44.25|3.6875
    Doctor Dellamorte|Fourth|44|3.666666667
    Luxx|Fourth|44|3.666666667
    Ari|Sixth|43.25|3.604166667
    Ankou|Seventh|42.5|3.541666667
    Ophelia|Eighth|42.25|3.520833333
    Cara Skerritt|Ninth|42|3.5
    Adrienne Fzembrel|Tenth|41.75|3.479166667
    The Decaying Tears|Eleventh|38.5|3.208333333
    Bill E. Kidd|Eleventh|38.5|3.208333333
    The Frog Prince|Thirteenth|34.25|2.854166667
    Thrall of Porkus|Fourteenth|31.25|2.604166667
    Ruk Rak|Fifteenth|26.25|2.1875
    Sentrosi|Sixteenth|8|2
    Henry Oakenshield|Seventeenth|23.25|1.9375
    Captain Tardis|Eighteenth|19.75|1.645833333[/table]
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    Hey Ponies - last I checked 8 points was less than 19.75 - this is what it should be..

    B]Tallies After Three Judges[/B]
    {table=head]Entry|Place|Total|Average
    Babalon|Gold|48.25|4.020833333
    Derek "Baelfire" Bragg|Silver|46.25|3.854166667
    Dobluth|Bronze|44.25|3.6875
    Doctor Dellamorte|Fourth|44|3.666666667
    Luxx|Fifth|43.5|3.625
    Ari|Sixth|43.25|3.604166667
    Ankou|Seventh|42.5|3.541666667
    Ophelia|Eighth|42.25|3.520833333
    Cara Skerritt|Ninth|42|3.5
    Adrienne Fzembrel|Tenth|41.75|3.479166667
    The Decaying Tears|Eleventh|38.5|3.208333333
    Bill E. Kidd|Eleventh|38.5|3.208333333
    The Frog Prince|Thirteenth|34.25|2.854166667
    Thrall of Porkus|Fourteenth|31.25|2.604166667
    Ruk Rak|Fifteenth|26.25|2.1875
    Henry Oakenshield|Sixteenth|23.25|1.9375
    Captain Tardis|Seventeenth|19.75|1.645833333
    Sentrosi|Eighteenth|8|2
    [/table]
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    I suspect Ponies is ordering his table by average score, rather than total points, which is why Sentrosi is placed at sixteenth instead of eighteenth.

    Of course, it's up to the chairman how a build that has people declining to judge it gets scored. Does it go by the average score of whomever chose to judge it? Or does a refusal to judge a build count as a zero? I can't remember how we ended up deciding back in Bladesinger when the drider had a judge decline to score it...
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    Regarding the drider entry, we put it in a "Limbo" category in the ranking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazyan View Post
    Regarding the drider entry, we put it in a "Limbo" category in the ranking.
    Makes sense. So, given that precedent, I assume that (barring no other judges), Captain Tardis will take 17th and Sentrosi will not be placed in the ranking at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by relytdan View Post
    Hey Ponies - last I checked 8 points was less than 19.75 - this is what it should be...
    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles View Post
    I suspect Ponies is ordering his table by average score, rather than total points, which is why Sentrosi is placed at sixteenth instead of eighteenth.
    Indeed, 19.75 is still greater than 8. However, as Piggy pointed out, I rank entries by average score instead of total score. The reason for this is that I also maintain a universal ranking system on my spreadsheet that compares entries from all rounds of competition. If we used total scores, any round that had more judges would immediately have an unfair advantage. Instead, determining rank by average score evens the playing field.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles View Post
    Of course, it's up to the chairman how a build that has people declining to judge it gets scored. Does it go by the average score of whomever chose to judge it? Or does a refusal to judge a build count as a zero? I can't remember how we ended up deciding back in Bladesinger when the drider had a judge decline to score it...
    I concur. If our Chair determines that everyone's favorite were-chicken shouldn't receive an official rank, I could always pull him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viscount View Post
    Wow, fast response to disputes, WhamBamSam. If it's not too much trouble, could you edit your judging post to reflect the new scores? It'll make things much easier when compiling for Hall of Heroes.
    Done and done.

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    Well my ratings are in

    everyone gets -2's, this thread is to long for me to read everything ever stated, so Am just giving everyone -2's to keep things interesting.
    Sarcasm meter broken...not sure if I should put -2s in...spread...sheet *irk*
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    Much appreciated! It makes compiling so much easier. I probably should get on that, stuff must be piling up.

    On a separate gnote, what do you guys think is our gnext SI? You all gnow what my vote is.
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    More disputes (Man, so this is what 3 judges x 19 entries looks like)
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    Amphetryon: level 3 Willing defority feat - getting penalties for not having what is clearly listed as a feat

    Clearly it has the willing deformity feat at level 3
    Quote Originally Posted by Luxx
    Dysprosium: In terms of Elegance, was the given score of 4.75 for Luxx because of a .25 deduction that wasn't mentioned in the comments, or did it lack the "X factor" that makes a build a 5 in your eyes? I'm assuming the latter, since I saw that no build received a 5 in Elegance from you, but was curious nonetheless. As such, this is more of an inquiry than a dispute.

    Amphetryon: When it comes to Luxx's Power, you mentioned that I'm not the only entry who can pull off Wish shenanigans. While this wasn't meant to be the focus of my build but one more way to make use of the entry requirements, I'd like to get your perspective on which other entries can boost their Knowledge: Religion checks as much as Luxx (and as early in their career). By ECL 12, Luxx already has max ranks, bonuses from INT and Chosen of Evil, a +5 bonus from Lore of the Gods, and a +8 bonus if he chooses to bind Dantalion for the ritual. That's a total of +33 before taking into account any of the bonuses listed under sacrifice rules in BoVD. As we progress, Luxx's rolls will only get better as his ranks and Chosen of Evil bonuses continue to increase. Do any other entries have that same capacity?

    Amphetryon: On Use of the Secret Ingredient, you mentioned that Luxx's usage was typical aside from Wish shenanigans (which, again, were meant as an aside when discussing qualification requirements). I don't want to sound long-winded and redundant by repeating what you've already reviewed in my "Use of the Secret Ingredient" section, so can you please provide additional explanation of how I failed to make atypical usage of the SI via unique abilities and synergies like Abominable Form, Beloved of Demons, Tenebrous' Rebuke, et al?

    WhamBamSam: In your UoSI score for Luxx, you mentioned that his debuffing doesn't have oomph and that Pallor of Death was more of the same. You also mentioned that you would have liked to see more devotion to optimizing Intimidate. I made mention of Focalor's Aura of Sadness and Abominable Form, which alone provide a -4 penalty to opponents' saves for debuffing and laying on the intimidation/fear more easily. In addition, my use of Pallor of Death and Touch of Fear in conjunction with maxed Intimidate and Abominable Form provide options for getting foes to a cowering state in 1 round which lasts for a full minute. Fearsome armor was also a suggested item, enabling move-action intimidation. On a build with so much fear going already, the only other option I didn't snag was the old Imperious Command/Never Outnumbered, as I lacked a feat slot and skills. Since Luxx already had a reliable and original way to make foes cower for longer than the feat provided, and since Abominable Form works against more foes than Never Outnumbered, I felt their inclusion would be superfluous. Can you please revisit your score or provide additional explanation?

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    WhamBamSam: In your UoSI score for Luxx, you mentioned that his debuffing doesn't have oomph and that Pallor of Death was more of the same. You also mentioned that you would have liked to see more devotion to optimizing Intimidate. I made mention of Focalor's Aura of Sadness and Abominable Form, which alone provide a -4 penalty to opponents' saves for debuffing and laying on the intimidation/fear more easily. In addition, my use of Pallor of Death and Touch of Fear in conjunction with maxed Intimidate and Abominable Form provide options for getting foes to a cowering state in 1 round which lasts for a full minute. Fearsome armor was also a suggested item, enabling move-action intimidation. On a build with so much fear going already, the only other option I didn't snag was the old Imperious Command/Never Outnumbered, as I lacked a feat slot and skills. Since Luxx already had a reliable and original way to make foes cower for longer than the feat provided, and since Abominable Form works against more foes than Never Outnumbered, I felt their inclusion would be superfluous. Can you please revisit your score or provide additional explanation?
    Looking over it again, you're right. I sort of skimmed over Abominable Form and didn't give enough credit to Focalor. My judging of Luxx was quite possibly a bit more scatterbrained than some of the others, and that's never a good thing with Binders. I'd have liked to see Death Devotion, especially given your melee focus, as I wasn't really feeling the Chaos Devotion/Thrall to Demon thing, but your debuffing is strong enough that you should get (+0.5) as opposed to (+0.25) for Pallor of Death and Death Touch. This doesn't change the power score though, I think I got that one right. Add +0.5 to Luxx's score. My judging post has been edited to reflect this as well.

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    I will say, however: since when does Orcus or his thralls follow the rules?
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    As an aside, the next ingredient has been picked, and not only is it 3.5, but it's not abominably terrible!
    Not abominably terrible? That sounds like: trust me, it's bad, but in a good way
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    Is such a thing even possible? A non-terrible SI? Yes I know Geomancer was serviceable.

    On a side note, could the chairman please spoiler that chicken image? Its width is messing with the page. No disrespect to the chicken, of course.
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    Is such a thing even possible? A non-terrible SI? Yes I know Geomancer was serviceable.

    On a side note, could the chairman please spoiler that chicken image? Its width is messing with the page. No disrespect to the chicken, of course.
    Huh. Sorry - my screen is pretty wide, and I didn't notice. Consider it fixed.

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    Hmm... Abominable, hey? Something to do with the snow, perhaps?

    Primeval, perhaps?

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    Just under two hours to go... Any other last minute guesses? I'm going to agree with Vaz and guess something snow themed - perhaps it's finally time for Winterhaunt of Iborighu.

    Oh yeah, HM... Gah, torn between Cara Skerritt and Frog Prince. I guess I'll give the nod to the Prince for managing to work in Mortal Hunter.
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    I forgot my honorable mention. Sentrosi the death chicken gets my vote for being utterly fun and ridiculous.
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    Good shout on the HM. The Good Doctor Delamorte gets it from me.

    It was between him, Babalon, and Mr Pleasant Baelfire-Smythe, but the use of Blighter and getting 9ths without Ur-Priest? Ooh baby.

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