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He's far more reminiscent of one of Grimm's tales than the Disney one
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By the Power of Greyskull!
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I mean, we all know that it's the crazy ones that have the good pills
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The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is
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So, is this the D&D Version of a Nemesis-corrupted Winter Knight?
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Didn't I see this movie?
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No, this isn't the one presented in the Tome of Magic
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Billy, you son of a goat!
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I... just... no. There's nothing that I can say for this one.
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Now, why does cancer Mage look familiar...
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I can barely stop myself from the Porky Pigs jokes that are popping up in my head
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Your princess is in my dungeon now
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Okay, I couldn't help it.
That's all that I got, folks. Have at it!
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So it looks like...19 entries. That's at least below 20 this time.
Some unique ideas, some ideas that paralleled others. I'm not allowed to say which category my build fell into, but this should be a fun discussion.
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Note - missing stub to The Frog Prince
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Unfortunately, Siegfried's princess was right. By the time he had knocked down the barred door to her crypt, he noticed that his mortal skin was sloughing off in patches.
When they were outside in what appeared to be a graveyard, Siegfried caught his reflection in a statue and saw he was a neraph again.
"Damnation," he growled.
"Exactly," said his princess. "You and me both. Might as well enjoy it."
Siegfried flexed his fingers, disappointingly red and scaly again.
"I don't suppose he might consider un-damning us?"
She laughed. "Not unless someone takes him down a peg. He does have one enemy that may have a shot at it."
"Who?" asked Siegfried, his tongue feeling too big for his mouth.
"A creature called Gorguth. Truthfully, I'm not sure what he used to be. I gather that he was someone like us once and made a bad deal. He used to work for Tenebrous back when he was still called Orcus, but tired of service, so defected to Atropus's banner."
Siegfried nodded along, trying to keep up.
"So why not seek out Atropus directly?"
His princess shook her head. "In short, he doesn't socialize. He's a giant, cancerous moon. It's not that he cares for us, exactly, just that I know Gorguth won't pass up a chance to spit in Orcus's eye."
"I… see," said Siegfried, even though he didn't .
"I could take you to him, if you like. Now that we're out of that mausoleum, my magic is back."
With that, she cut another hole in the world, a perfectly round slice right in the middle of the night, showing an imposing throne room with an inert, black man-shaped thing sitting in the center of it.
Siegfried nodded gratefully and made his way through the portal. He turned and was surprised to see his lady wasn't following him, but had instead turned around and was opening another.
"Aren't you coming?" he asked.
"Oh, no, dear. From what you told me, it sounds like that little girl still has her hands on my book. I wanted to go share the good news of my freedom with her."
She touched the heel of her hand to her chin and then made a hissing noise in Siegfried's direction. He guessed she had blown him a kiss, which he made sure he caught before she disappeared through her portal to Limbo. He remembered men in his position often kept a token from their ladies. He could still feel the tang of her meat on the back of his tongue. Much better than a handkerchief. No matter where he went, she would always be with him.
He looked before him to the form that must have have been Gorguth.
"Enter," Gorguth intoned.
"I understand you have a grievance with my," he grimaced for a moment, "master, Orcus."
Gorguth snarled and extended his hand, closing the portal behind Siegfried.
"There is nothing for you here, creature." Gorguth stood from his throne with a cracking of bones. "I can see plainly whatever pittance that bloated fiend offered you for your soul isn't great enough for you to give me what I need."
Siegfried looked around him for an exit but saw none. "What is that?" he asked, hopefully giving himself enough time to think of something.
"Oblivion," he boomed in a voice that shook the whole chamber. "Just as your," he sniffed with contempt, "mistress sold her soul for eternal life, I seek the opposite. I serve Atropus because he might bring an end to this world, and by extension me as well, along with Orcus."
He gestured and a slavering beast appeared before Siegfried, intent on swallowing him whole. "Until then, I wait. Goodbye, thrall of Orcus," he said, sounding bored.
Siegfried was quickly pinned beneath the creature's weight, its foul breath hot in his face. He craned his neck forward as far as he could and bit off one of the creature's toes. He swallowed it quickly so as not to taste it and stole the creature's shape. From that point, he was able to make short work of it and tear out the beast's throat.
As his lady had surmised, he found himself unable to stop until his stomach was full. The whole time, Gorguth simply watched, his gray, featureless face inscrutable to Siegfried.
"You may prove of use after all," Gorguth said. "Very well. Consider yourself under Atropus's banner. Orcus will be unable to revoke your newfound fell powers without returning your soul, so either way, it seems you're coming out ahead…" he trailed off, so Siegfried chose now to supply his name.
"Prince Siegfried," he said proudly.
"Well, then, your highness," Gorguth said without a shred of respect, "I suggest you lie low for the time being. It will be some time before he is weak enough for us to strike. When it comes, you will know."
Siegfried nodded, and before he could ask how he was supposed to leave, Gorguth sent him back to his lady's graveyard with a wave of his hand.
Once enough time had passed for him to disguise himself in some unobtrusive shape, Siegfried did some reconnaissance in town as an owl. He thought since this time he was planning out his devouring of flesh, he might find the time to cook it, but when the time came, he found he much preferred his prey raw.
His lady's enemy, the mage, was a local big wig in this town. Apparently when she and her friends had seen him in Limbo that first time, it was after their first encounter with his lady, who even after all his spying, he found was indeed too ancient and terrible to have a name known by the hoi polloi. This gave him a certain sense of pride.
Apparently, she had indeed been trying to take down Orcus in order to reclaim her own soul through Gorguth's master, Atropus. By causing a large enough tragedy on the surface of the prime material, Atropus would be attracted to the scent, like Siegfried to the smell of fresh meat.
Her plan was to encase the city in a bubble of force and fill it with water. The sorrow would hopefully summon Atropus. Without Orcus to hang onto her soul, she would be free to enjoy whatever hereafter she has been destined for before she met him.
The mage and her companions had been able to cage his lady and steal her book. They wanted to use it to warn Orcus of her strike against him that he might prepare himself for the forces of Atropus. While they knew he was a malefic force, they viewed him and the other demon lords as a necessary evil. With him out of his position in the Abyss, they thought there would be a power vacuum.
Be that as it may, he could understand his lady's plan, and not only because he stood to benefit from it. While before making the deal with Tenebrous, he would have been able to answer plainly who was at fault, now, he could understand what would drive someone to go to such extremes.
He'd never really noticed his soul before, but now it was gone, he thought he had finally given a name to that unreasoning pain in his stomach that persisted regardless of whose form he stole.
Orcus had apparently received the news poorly and had managed to dispatch the mage's companions. She was able to escape and went to his lady's chamber to check that she was still imprisoned there. She was able to divine where the book had last been read and tracked Siegfried down. After she had retreated, she went back to her tower to recuperate.
This was where Siegfried went to find her. She wasn't there personally, but she had left her study in the care of her familiar spirit, a raven that was so busy filing papers, it didn't notice Siegfried swoop in behind it and bite through its spinal cord.
Siegfried appreciated the poetry of an owl's sharp beak and curved talons now that he was using them for their intended purpose. Once he'd filled his stomach with feathers and gizzards, he found a reflective surface to make sure he got the details of the bird right.
After preening for a moment, he got back to filing, so his mistress, the mage, wasn't surprised when she saw him.
"I have more information on that damned lich," she said and collapsed into a chair.
"Oh?" Siegfried chirped. He alighted on a falconer's glove she held out before her face.
"Yes. It appears as though some perverse individual has managed to free her from my curse," she said, sounding annoyed.
"How?" he asked.
"If you can believe it, true love's kiss. And I think a little more than that." She made a face.
"Why do you think that?" Siegfried asked, glad his current form had no lips, or he was sure he would have smiled.
"She told me in… great detail of how her prince had come when she confronted me. It wasn't easy, but I was able to escape with my life. I'm not sure what her aims are, but I wouldn't be surprised if she attempted to pick up where she left off to destroy this city."
Siegfried nodded sagely.
"What do you think we should do to prepare?" he said.
The mage sighed deeply. "Truthfully, I have no idea. Ever since the rest of my order was lost to that damned woman, it's been… difficult being the sole guardian of this city."
Siegfried hopped onto her shoulder and rubbed his feathers against her cheek.
"Then rest," he said. "I can hold down the fort until then."
She nodded. "Perhaps that would be a prudent decision."
Siegfried watched her get undressed and slip into bed from a small wooden perch. Some part of him wanted to pounce on her now, but he thought better of it. If she were able to take on his lady singlehandedly, he had best not try to take her on alone.
Over the next few weeks, Siegfried familiarized himself with the mage's library, looking for information on his lady and her plan. He was able to learn enough to assume that his lady was busy at the moment removing abjurations cast at strategic locations around the city. He likely had time to wait before he would see her again.
Eventually, the day came when the mage flew into her tower in a fury, blood dripping down her face from four diagonal slashes across her cheek of the precise dimension to be a token from his lady.
"Hark unto me!" she snapped. Siegfried landed on her shoulder and listened to her as she caught him up on the situation.
"She's in the town square. She's managed to undo my abjurations despite my best efforts. She's surrounded the city in her force field, but there should still be time to prevent her from creating the flood!"
He held on fast and the mage carried him high above the town square.
His lady hovered in the air, a low droning noise
coming from her beautiful, white teeth. She let out a primal scream and ripped a hole in the sky, not at all like the portals he'd seen before. It was rough and asymmetrical, and for a moment, Siegfried felt homesick for his chaotic plane.
Not a moment later, sinister black shapes started pouring out from it. Gorguth was riding atop a great, mechanical bat, tearing a hole in the sky, black and jagged as a fissure in the earth. Behind him, all manner of horrible creatures from whatever far-off realm Atropus hailed from were following, claws and teeth bared and chewing through the clouds.
Before the first of them touched down on the surface of the city, the ground shook and cracked. A band of demons, no doubt Orcus's minions, dragged themselves up from the depths of the Abyss.
Siegfried now understood his lady's plans. Regardless of which side won between Orcus's and Gorguth's forces, there would be plenty of collateral damage amongst those caught in the middle. That was how she was planning to summon Atropus.
The mage brought herself to bear in front of his lady and surrounded herself in a shimmering white light. She flicked her gaze to Siegfried for a moment and quirked her eyebrow at him seeing he wasn't encapsulated by the spell.
The mage's head turned away from his lady, he realized now was the best time to strike.
Without a handy bit of flesh nearby, he dismissed the demonic magic that kept him in the bird's shape and was himself again, even if just for a second. Since Orcus's forces and his magic was so close, Siegfried could feel his power growing and extruded a pair of bat's wings to stay aloft behind the mage.
He wrapped his arms around her shoulders and put her in a full nelson. He latched on and bit down on the first thing he could find to distract her, an ear. It came right off and slid down his throat. His stomach still bulged with all the mortal flesh he'd swallowed. His skin felt tight. Now even the illustration of Tenebrous would respect his prowess as a hunter, so corpulent was he.
"Good to see you again, my lady," Siegfried gurgled through a mouthful of blood.
"And you as well, my prince," she said, and drifted over to Siegfried and the mage to finish her off.
The mage managed to buck Siegfried and teleport a few feet away, fire blazing in her eyes.
He beat his wings and interposed himself between the two women. Siegfried between Odile and Odette. Just as it was meant to be.
No matter how this battle ended, whether Orcus was victorious and retained claims to their souls, if Atropus succeeded in consuming the planet, or if the mage beat the odds and was able to ward all of them off, he knew he had done what he could for his lady. That was what princes did.
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I. . . was afraid of that.
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I knew it! They all share the same ingredient!
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That'll never get old.
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I'm already sick of that joke.
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I am willing to help judge if need be, but not as a raw cruncher, just on where I think the powerbase and usefulness as something is.
I see one build already though that broke the rules, chicken infested is a dragon magazine flaw.
But am also very glad/proud that my idea did not get replicated, fiend of possession and become the weapon that the thrall of orcus vampire wields as a wand of orcus.
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Time for a list, methinks.
1; Captain Tardis; Half-Pyroclastic Dragon Human Fangshields Champion of the Wild Ranger 10/Tempest 5/Thrall of Orcus 2
2; The Decaying Tears; Gnome Cloistered Cleric 1/Binder 8/Thrall of Orcus 10/Tenebrous Apostate 1
3; Gem; Unknown race Dread Necromancer 10/Thrall of Orcus 10
4; Henry Oakshield the 666th; Battle Sorcerer 1/Fighter 11/Thrall of Orcus 10
5; Doctor Dellamorte; Half-elf Druid 5/Ranger 1/Blighter 7/Thrall of Orcus 10
6; Dobluth; Lesser Drow Warlock 4/Necromancer Wizard 1/Warblade 1/Demonbinder 4/Thrall of Orcus 10
7; Derek "Baelfire" Bragg; Silverbrow Human Bard 3/Warblade 2/Thrall of Orcus 10/Dirgesinger 5
8; The Frog Prince; Neraph Ranger 3/Paladin of Slaughter 2/Mortal Hunter 5/Thrall of Orcus 10
9; Cara Skerritt; Strongheart Halfling Lich Death Master 10/Thrall of Orcus 10
10; Adrienne Fzembrel; Human Hexblade 7/Thrall of Orcus 10/Paladin of Tyranny 3
11; Babalon; Human Hexblade 4/Thrall of Orcus 10/Horned Harbinger 6
12; Ankou; Jaebrin Bard 9/Thrall of Orcus 10
13; Ophelia; Human Ghost Cleric 3/Eidolon 7/Thrall of Orcus 10
14; Luxx; Human Binder 5/Cleric 1/Tenebrous Apostate 4/Thrall of Orcus 10
15; Bill E. Kidd; Ibixian Hexblade 4/Thrall of Orcus 10/Avenging Executioner 2
16; Sentrosi; Strongheart Halfling Were-Chicken Commoner 1/Death Master 6/Thrall of Orcus 9
17; Ari; Vashar Spirit Shaman 4/Spirit Lion Totem Barbarian 1/Thrall of Orcus 10/Cancer Mage 5
18; Thrall of Porkus; Barbarian 1/Sorcerer 4/Dread Witch 5/Thrall of Orcus 10
19; Ruk Rak; Arctic Kobold Fighter 4/Spirit Lion Totem Barbarian 1/Dungeon Lord 5/Thrall of Orcus 10
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As an aside, I know I'm nowhere near the top 3, possibly 5. Some... Inspired builds; Doctor Dellamorte, Babalon, and Baelfire are my favourite, and I'll call it now that those 3 will place.
And I'd felt so good about mine going into this one.
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I know this ruins the anonymity, but I don't care if people know this one isn't mine: I think Gem is in violation of forum rules. Even if the creator thinks it's an amusing way to respond to a rules disagreement, something makes me uneasy about posting a fictitious account in which you set another poster on fire. I'd normally just report the post quietly, but due to the nature of this competition Kuulvheysoon is the one that posted it. Any suggestions on how we should handle it?
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What did we do in GSA when the thread devolved into personal attack? Ask the mods for help? It's not like we don't know who did gem.
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Several fun builds here! Skimmed most of them, I'm going to enjoy reading them all in detail over the next couple of days.
Two ideas I didn't use ended up being used by other contests, so I won't mention them.
I must admit, I expected Ur-Priests galore, and am pleasantly surprised to have been mistaken.
I did consider the following build, but just thought of it yesterday and didn't have time to get anything together:
Paladin of Slaughter 4/Thrall of Orcus 3/Divine Crusader 2/Thrall of Orcus +7/Divine Crusader +4
...with the Demonic domain.
That would end up with +18 BAB, 9th-level spells (which means the ability to cast Gate), turn undead, Charisma focus, etc.
I also thought of using a lesser drow (which gets Touch of Fatigue as an SLA) as an entry point for a crusader build with a focus on lots of deformity feats, but the end product was messy and I discarded it pretty early on.Last edited by Piggy Knowles; 2013-09-23 at 09:42 PM.
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SpoilerGot to say I didn't even bother to read the submission after it followed a similar layout to another entry that I felt didn't even bother to attempt the competition; quite frankly embarrassed that someone even considered that a decent thing to put down in words, and a little bit disgusted.
When such a personal attack is made in regards to a ruling made regarding a game, I don't feel that they should be a part of the game.
Perhaps Kuulv posted it out of a sense of fairness, but it's not something that should be taken lightly. While yes, we're dealing with the BoVD and we have baby's being slaughtered while mass murderers are getting jiggy with decomposing bodies, I think that posting about about setting another member of the board on fire is bang out of order.
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@Piggy, I'd considered Ur-Priest; the problem was the casting progression; X4/Orcus 1/Ur-Priest 1/Orcus +9/Ur-Priest advancement 6 means that you've got at best Ur-Priest 9 casting; not much to sniff at, but compared to how good Cleric 9ths are, and how powerful Ur-Priests can be when played right, there's a difference.
Sure, you could go Orcus 8/Ur Priest 7 instead for it, but compare that to a dual 9th's, say. You'd also sacrifice that power gain in not getting the Nightwing.
S'all Vizzini at the end of it.Last edited by Vaz; 2013-09-24 at 05:14 AM.