Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLIX

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You know, rereading the past IC comps it occurs to me just how long they've been going on for. Will we be here after decades of building, in our old age still feebly cursing the new torture the Chairman puts out for us?

Also, repost in case Kuulv missed:

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Anyways, what was your reason for choosing this one Kuulv?

EDIT: Oh yeah, and it's Thrall of Orcus, not Thrall to Orcus.

[A_S]

You know, rereading the past IC comps it occurs to me just how long they've been going on for. Will we be here after decades of building, in our old age still feebly cursing the new torture the Chairman puts out for us?

In the year 2056, near the end of D&D 7e's tenure, having finally used up every single official 3.0 or 3.5 PrC, the 28th chairman will unveil the first 3rd-party IC ingredient, The Book of Erotic Fantasy's Sacred Prostitute. After winning his 43rd first place trophy, Piggy Knowles will declare that the contest has finally jumped the shark, then promptly die of old age/a broken heart.

[Haluesen]

I can't get any more specific because of originality concerns but I will say that there's a really really low-investment way to bypass the requirement without any dips (if the Chairman thinks this is too much I will remove this post immediately).

Hmm pretty cool. This invigorates me with hope that this is not an impossible task.

In the year 2056, near the end of D&D 7e's tenure, having finally used up every single official 3.0 or 3.5 PrC, the 28th chairman will unveil the first 3rd-party IC ingredient, The Book of Erotic Fantasy's Sacred Prostitute. After winning his 43rd first place trophy, Piggy Knowles will declare that the contest has finally jumped the shark, then promptly die of old age/a broken heart.

This whole thing is so hilarious that it made my freakin day.

[OMG PONIES]

After winning his 43rd first place trophy, Piggy Knowles will declare that the contest has finally jumped the shark, then promptly die of old age/a broken heart.

So I'll already have 44?

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So I'll already have 44?

Don't get too confident! Akal Saris might have a surprising comeback after years of being seduced by the demon real life .

Might...

[A_S]

So I'll already have 44?

Let's see, (5 / 7) = (42 / X)...cross multiply...looks like 59 to me. But obviously you're the 28th chairman, so no competition that round.

*edit* The text in the OP is still exactly the same, except that the answers to all of the FAQ sections start with, "Back in my day..."

[relytdan]

entry submitted - if chairman will confirm please.

[Deadline]

entry submitted - if chairman will confirm please.

Wow, that was fast.

[Kazyan]

I have a good feeling about this one. Muhahahaha.

(Which means it will probably bomb even more horribly than my previous entries and have something that extra super doesn't work!)

[Feilith]

I have a great idea, but it's resting on top of some shakey ground. Oh boy the judges are either gonna love it or rip it to shreds

P.S. A note to judges, Love my build

[OMG PONIES]

My ubercheese build just fell apart because of alignment issues, but I stumbled into something else that might be workable. We'll see what I can make of it.

[amalthia]

I am in probly will not get much for originality though

[Vaz]

I've got one that's fairly boring. Might get hammered for power, I think, but I like the theme.

[Deadline]

Well, scratch that idea. I've had a couple of solid ideas come and go, but they are just so obvious and vanilla that I don't want to trot them out in front of the judges. *sigh* Maybe an evening of rest will clear the fog from the creative places in my brain.

[Gemini476]

I made one build, and then thought "Hey, these summoning abilities kind of suck at high levels! I should squeeze the SI in at the beginning!"
So I made another build. Despite putting more focus on the SI in the mid-game, the SI became almost totally irrelevant later due to the rest of the build outshining it. Back, foul PrC! Back to the Abyss from whence ye came!

[Vaz]

Do we have any judging yet on the Pallor of Death ability, Kuulv?

a) Any Undead using a Humanoid as the base form, including templated Undead

or


b) Any Undead created out of Humanoids in fluff, specially excluding Templates?

or

c) Some other reading?

Is it limited to HD (as per Alter Self), does it allow you to bypass typing restrictions (normally, it's same type only; does this allow a humanoid, say, take Undead form?), and I think that's it :).

[Kazyan]

Submitted. *rubs hands* I'll revise if Kuulvheysoon provides a ruling that axes one of the things I did.

[CyberThread]

one question I do have, is the chef using a flat 20 build, or an exp pool that expands past that?

[Vaz]

As an example, LA Buy-off is permitted, but it is an alternate rule system that is reliant on an DM accepting it, and some DM's are not willing to do so; this results in an elegance hit, especially if the build relies on the level 20 capstone.

Other elegance penalties may accrue as well, depending on whether a build makes use of lots of XP intensive tricks (such as crafting, say).

[Kuulvheysoon]

I've PM'd The Man about the Pallor of Death ability, because it could be taken multiple ways while still technically being RAW

As for the bonus feats, you must qualify for them except for the the Deformity (gaunt/obese) bonus feat provided at 4th level.

[Amphetryon]

As for the bonus feats, you must qualify for them except for the the Deformity (gaunt/obese) bonus feat provided at 4th level.

I'm just clarifying that this is your ruling, in spite of Curmudgeon's answer in the RAW thread to the contrary. Correct?

[Kuulvheysoon]

I'm just clarifying that this is your ruling, in spite of Curmudgeon's answer in the RAW thread to the contrary. Correct?

I'm not really contradicting him - yes, you get the feat, but you still cannot use/gain the benefits from it unless you qualify.

The text "the thrall gains the Deformity (obese) or Deformity (gaunt) feat as a bonus feat" is worded so it does bypass the usual rules regarding selecting that bonus feat, but the class does not include language to bypass the rules for using the feat. (See above citation.)

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I probably should have been more specific. Apologies.

[OMG PONIES]

I've PM'd The Man about the Pallor of Death ability, because it could be taken multiple ways while still technically being RAW

Weird, my inbox is empty...

As for the bonus feats, you must qualify for them except for the the Deformity (gaunt/obese) bonus feat provided at 4th level.

I'm not really contradicting him - yes, you get the feat, but you still cannot use/gain the benefits from it unless you qualify..
I probably should have been more specific. Apologies.

So to confirm, you get the feat for free but you wouldn't gain the +2 CON, -2 DEX etc. from Obese (for example) unless you also have Willing Deformity?

[Kuulvheysoon]

Weird, my inbox is empty...


So to confirm, you get the feat for free but you wouldn't gain the +2 CON, -2 DEX etc. from Obese (for example) unless you also have Willing Deformity?

Unfortunately, that's what the RAW seems to indicate.

RAI, I think that it's clear that they wanted you to gain the feat, but not be able to get another (general) deformity feat without paying the "real" cost of Willing Deformity.

[OMG PONIES]

Unfortunately, that's what the RAW seems to indicate.

RAI, I think that it's clear that they wanted you to gain the feat, but not be able to get another (general) deformity feat without paying the "real" cost of Willing Deformity.

Duly noted. I'm updating my Secret Ingredient RAW Q&A post...and I'll post a link here if you want to include it in the second post.

[relytdan]

RAI, I think that it's clear that they wanted you to gain the feat, but not be able to get another (general) deformity feat without paying the "real" cost of Willing Deformity.

ok , then I will go with the RAI of getting the benefits of the obese/gaunt for the stats ect, and use the argument that the DM will say it is ok to not need the "willing deformity feat"

[Piggy Knowles]

In the year 2056, near the end of D&D 7e's tenure, having finally used up every single official 3.0 or 3.5 PrC, the 28th chairman will unveil the first 3rd-party IC ingredient, The Book of Erotic Fantasy's Sacred Prostitute. After winning his 43rd first place trophy, Piggy Knowles will declare that the contest has finally jumped the shark, then promptly die of old age/a broken heart.

Listen, this is not a good thing to read while sitting outside a courtroom. People expect you to have a certain sense of decorum there. They tend to give you funny looks when you start giggling over your smartphone.

So I'll already have 44?

Well played, good sir, well played

In other news, my entry seems to be coming together nicely, all in all. Was rough going for a while and I wasn't sure I was going to submit, but one small change has made everything else flow surprisingly well. Will just have to wait until I get home to make sure all of this is legal...

[OMG PONIES]

Yeah, it took me a few tries, but I think I found my schtick for this character.

[Venger]

I have an idea, but will wait til a ruling on pallor of death before feats and stuff

[Segev]

I have an idea now that makes me snicker, but I'm going to have to see if I can make it...work.