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    In the actual canyon, Vaarsuvius and Blackwing were unable to fly very high before crashing down.

    Later, we see that the Linear Guild was able to fly due to Malack's scroll of Control Winds.

    Several minutes(?) later, Zz'dtri and Tarquin's mount were shown flying just fine.Control Winds would still be up, I think.

    A few hours later, Z and Qarr were flying somewhat high just fine. Shortly after Malack's destruction, we see a bunch of pterosaurs flying high, and now we see V and Blackwing flying rather high (though I suppose it just seems high due to the crater, and s/he's not actually that far above ground level).

    EDIT: Control Winds has a longer duration than I recalled. And I thought its duration was based on concentration, but it's not, so it should last even after Malack's death, no?
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    I assumed the strong winds were magical in nature, and when the pyramid blew up, it rendered the magic that generated them useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MReav View Post
    I assumed the strong winds were magical in nature, and when the pyramid blew up, it rendered the magic that generated them useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Sure. .........
    Is that the sure of "That's exactly how I planned it" or "That's exactly how I planned it and that's the story I'm sticking with!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    In the actual canyon, Vaarsuvius and Blackwing were unable to fly very high before crashing down.

    Later, we see that the Linear Guild was able to fly due to Malack's scroll of Control Winds.

    Several minutes(?) later, Zz'dtri and Tarquin's mount were shown flying just fine.Control Winds would still be up, I think.

    A few hours later, Z and Qarr were flying somewhat high just fine. Shortly after Malack's destruction, we see a bunch of pterosaurs flying high, and now we see V and Blackwing flying rather high (though I suppose it just seems high due to the crater, and s/he's not actually that far above ground level).

    EDIT: Control Winds has a longer duration than I recalled. And I thought its duration was based on concentration, but it's not, so it should last even after Malack's death, no?
    I'd assumed that the pyramid was outside of the geologic formation the canyon was a part of. Possibly, in a very large crater or graben surrounded by horsts at a long distance. They had to go though the canyon because only that had warn away to something a person could use.

    And magic, I suppose.
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    I took it as the actual canyon was windy but the flat open plain the piramid is in isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MReav View Post
    Is that the sure of "That's exactly how I planned it" or "That's exactly how I planned it and that's the story I'm sticking with!"
    Yes

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    Say, while we're at it, what was the explanation for Niu being able to send her message out to Hinjo with the Cloister spell active? I'm sure someone's asked this, but I think I missed out on whatever the explanation was.

    Was it that Xykon hadn't re-cast the spell since the original invocation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilan8888 View Post
    Say, while we're at it, what was the explanation for Niu being able to send her message out to Hinjo with the Cloister spell active? I'm sure someone's asked this, but I think I missed out on whatever the explanation was.

    Was it that Xykon hadn't re-cast the spell since the original invocation?
    Well, Xykon was off building that astral plane fortress thingy, so I presume he didn't bother casting Cloister on the Azure City tower during that time. Dunno how long he was there, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilan8888 View Post
    Say, while we're at it, what was the explanation for Niu being able to send her message out to Hinjo with the Cloister spell active? I'm sure someone's asked this, but I think I missed out on whatever the explanation was.

    Was it that Xykon hadn't re-cast the spell since the original invocation?
    You can send from the inside to the outside (Panel 5).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MReav View Post
    Is that the sure of "That's exactly how I planned it" or "That's exactly how I planned it and that's the story I'm sticking with!"
    That's the sure of "A wizard did it. There."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MReav View Post
    Is that the sure of "That's exactly how I planned it" or "That's exactly how I planned it and that's the story I'm sticking with!"
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    I agree that the canyon is now suspiciously non-windy.

    Originally we saw the canyon twist back and forth across the land with our heroes stuck on the bottom of a maze. They even considered the right hand rule to keep from getting lost.

    But Tarq's huge army marched across clear ground and then had broad open space to approach the crater. They didn't have to wind or twist their formations at all to cross the sand. If that much open flat land was available nearby, why didn't the OOTS just come overland to the Windy Canyon from above and avoid all the winding?

    The windiness of Windy Canyon seems to have been entirely forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBrian View Post
    I agree that the canyon is now suspiciously non-windy.

    Originally we saw the canyon twist back and forth across the land with our heroes stuck on the bottom of a maze. They even considered the right hand rule to keep from getting lost.

    But Tarq's huge army marched across clear ground and then had broad open space to approach the crater. They didn't have to wind or twist their formations at all to cross the sand. If that much open flat land was available nearby, why didn't the OOTS just come overland to the Windy Canyon from above and avoid all the winding?

    The windiness of Windy Canyon seems to have been entirely forgotten.
    In strip 839, we clearly see that the canyon circles a giant open area. The Order was making their way through the mountain/canyon surrounding the area. Tarquin bypassed that by teleporting. The Order couldn't simply fly in because they had no idea WHERE in the canyon the gate was. For all they knew, it was in the actual winding paths, not the large open center. Which again, they wouldn't have known was there. So they simply began searching the canyon.

    As for the wind, the answer appears to be that the author forgot, but it is believable that it was magically created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBrian View Post
    I agree that the canyon is now suspiciously non-windy.

    Originally we saw the canyon twist back and forth across the land with our heroes stuck on the bottom of a maze. They even considered the right hand rule to keep from getting lost.

    But Tarq's huge army marched across clear ground and then had broad open space to approach the crater. They didn't have to wind or twist their formations at all to cross the sand. If that much open flat land was available nearby, why didn't the OOTS just come overland to the Windy Canyon from above and avoid all the winding?

    The windiness of Windy Canyon seems to have been entirely forgotten.
    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    In strip 839, we clearly see that the canyon circles a giant open area. The Order was making their way through the mountain/canyon surrounding the area. Tarquin bypassed that by teleporting. The Order couldn't simply fly in because they had no idea WHERE in the canyon the gate was. For all they knew, it was in the actual winding paths, not the large open center. Which again, they wouldn't have known was there. So they simply began searching the canyon.

    As for the wind, the answer appears to be that the author forgot, but it is believable that it was magically created.
    Furthermore:

    1. There's no reason for this particular graben to not be really BIG

    2. The canyon might be the only way around the surrounding horsts.
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    Are we talking about how it isn't Windy or Windy? (see Link in OP)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Sure. .........
    i love this.

    i think there's a mistake there, due to bla bla bla
    but what if bla bla bla
    sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatmoustache View Post
    i love this.

    i think there's a mistake there, due to bla bla bla
    but what if bla bla bla
    sure
    My post was not intended to be read in a nitpicking, "" tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Nappa View Post
    Are we talking about how it isn't Windy or Windy? (see Link in OP)
    Yes. (Fiiiine. We're talking about how it isn't "windy". Hope that sorts it out!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    My post was not intended to be read in a nitpicking, "" tone.
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    It was intended to be read in an outraged, "" tone.
    sorry dude, that was the closest smiley to what i had in mind.

    also don't take it personally, i was actually refering to thousands of crazy nitpicking posts (i'm talking real (miko?) crazy here. like "oh my god, how dare you show character x looking at left side direction, when (s)he was shown looking at right side in the previous panel?! clearly the giant has lost his story telling qualities, if he even had those to begin with!" crazy.) give the man a break. (again, don't take it personally)

    *opens spoiler*
    nevermind, carry on good sir.

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    No one does rage quite like Gift Jeraff.
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    "The really unforgivable acts are committed by calm men in beautiful green silk rooms, who deal death wholesale, by the shipload, without lust, or anger, or desire, or any redeeming emotion to excuse them but cold fear of some pretended future. But the crimes they hope to prevent in the future are imaginary. The ones they commit in the present--they are real." --Aral Vorkosigan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    This, in a nutshell.
    Yes, exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    No one does rage quite like Gift Jeraff.
    wow, awkward.
    anyway, i don't follow the forums much. when i do, i don't care who said what.

    it's more like "person 1 said this, person 2 backed it up, person 5 somehow managed to say something before person 3 and 4, person 3 was too shocked to act after (before?) this, and person 4 just goes against person 1 but her/his ideas are generally wrong and she/he is quite a douche" per thread.

    so yeah, umm... no wind huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    My post was not intended to be read in a nitpicking, "" tone.
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    It was intended to be read in an outraged, "" tone.
    *thunderous applause*

    In any case, 839 does appear to show the pyramid standing in a flat basin within the surrounding rugged terrain. So the lack of canyons is no problem.

    The winds must have been generated by a spell on the pyramid.

    EDIT: was that rugged terrain in the background of the panels all along? Or was it added in since this thread was started?
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    And the late notes soar to a higher range,
    But the theme is still the same.
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    Blend in with the old, old rhyme
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    While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
    Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark

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