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2013-10-21, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
Warlock Poetry?
Or ways to use me in game?
Better grab a drink...
Currently ruining Strahd's day - Avatar by the Outstanding Smuchsmuch
First Ordained Jr. Tormlet by LoyalPaladin
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2013-10-21, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Congrats Macaberet!
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2013-10-21, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Congratulations!
Hope all the chefs this round had fun with this SI! Can't wait to see what you guys cooked. This ingredient stumped me.I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
Iron Chef Medals!
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2013-10-21, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-21, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
Iron Chef Medals!
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2013-10-21, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
can't wait to start judging
Warlock Poetry?
Or ways to use me in game?
Better grab a drink...
Currently ruining Strahd's day - Avatar by the Outstanding Smuchsmuch
First Ordained Jr. Tormlet by LoyalPaladin
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2013-10-21, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
Since nothing jumped out at me from a building perspective, I guess that means I'll switch hats.
My Criteria
Each entry will start at a base score of 12 (3 in each category), with deductions or bonuses awarded based on the following questions:
SpoilerOriginality:
- Does the entry present a compelling backstory/concept?
- Does the entry enter the Secret Ingredient through a method unique from the sample character in the source as well as other entries in this round?
- Does the entry make use of any unique mechanical tricks/feat chains?
- Does the entry avoid known cheese and overused optimization suggestions?
Power:
- Does the entry surpass a hypothetical build that continues in the base class used for qualification?
- Does the entry function at the same power level throughout an entire adventuring day, rather than relying on "nova" powers?
- Does the entry thrive without an undue emphasis on items, templates, or other "add-ons" for its power?
- Does the entry contribute significantly in terms of offense, defense, and utility?
Elegance:
- Does the entry qualify for all classes taken outside the Secret Ingredient?
- Does the entry qualify for all feats taken?
- Does the entry avoid reliance on any questionable rules interpretations, cross-setting material, or material specifically disallowed from this competition?
- Does the entry avoid multi-class penalties and dipping* more than once?
UoSI:
- Does the entry qualify for the Secret Ingredient and make use of all entry requirements?
- Does the entry complete the Secret Ingredient or present a compelling reason why not doing so is actually a better use of the Secret Ingredient?
- Does the entry synergize the unique mechanical abilities of the Secret Ingredient with the rest of the build and/or present a novel use of said mechanical abilities?
- Does the entry complement the concept of its chassis through use of the Secret Ingredient?
*Where "dipping" is defined as taking two or fewer levels in a base class or prestige class.
Each of the questions above can be answered in one of three ways. A straight "yes" will earn a +0.5 bonus to the category in question. A straight "no" will suffer a -0.5 penalty to the category, and an ambivalent "yes and no" will wash out with no adjustment to the category. Other scoring rules (like a flat -1 penalty per Flaw used, for instance) will be followed as requested by the Chairman in the thread. If there are any questions about the clarity of my criteria in general, please post them openly so I can address. If there are any disagreements with particular scores, please PM the chairman as part of the regular dispute process.
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2013-10-21, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
Got my build in, I have a second stub I've got a fair bit of work involved in, but we'll see how it turns out, gonna try and finish it.
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2013-10-21, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Blargh, I really doubt I'll be able to get my build done in time. The procrastination demon got to me in the end. I'll try to do a last minute push when I get back from work, but unless I can really put something together in record time, I expect I'm not going to be competing this round after all.
I don't want to commit to judging just yet, because this is a pretty busy time of year for me, but I might try to if things calm down. If I do, I'll use the same judging criteria from the last time I judged - I'll edit in the criteria when I get home.Optimization Showcase in the Playground
Former projects:
Shadowcaster Handbook
Archer Build Compendium
Iron Chef Awards!
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GOLD
IC LXXVI: Talos
IC LXXV: Alphonse Louise Constant
IC XLIX: Babalon, Queen of Bones
IC XLV: Dead Mists
IC XL: Lycus Blackbeak
IC XXXIX: AM-1468
IC XXXV: Parsifal the Fool
IC XXX: Jal Filius
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2013-10-21, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-21, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
I will go into the juding ring for this SI.
Here are my Criteria:
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All Builds are equal and start with a perfect 5 in all areas.
Useage of any materials banned or disallowed, will result in an automatic 0 score in all areas, no exceptions.
Plagiarism of another build online, the severity of this can cause major deductions & possibly resulting in a 0 score, depending on if you are the author.
All scoring will be done based on deductions from 5 to 0 in .25 fractions In the following areas.
Originality:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to 1 points of penalty based on whether the race or templates used were things I expected, and whether anyone else thought to use them. cheese may see dedutions.
Up to 1 points of penalty based on whether the classes or Prc used were things I expected, and whether anyone else thought to use them. cheese may see dedutions.
Up to 1 points of penalty to a build not doing something interesting or something I have seen before respectively.
Up to 1 points of penalty to a build, if I find your fluff to be particularly long.
Power:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to 1.5 points of penalty for lack of versatility.
Up to 1 points of penalty for how well you do the things that you do.
Up to 1 point of penalty for if your build appears it needs help from others
Up to .5 point of penalty for each piece of specific equipment the build relies on.
Elegance:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to 1.5 points of penalty for if the build is basic.
Up to 1.25 points of penalty If you incur multiclass penalties, change alignment mid-build, class level dip, or the like
Up to .75 point of penalty for any rules interpretation - depending on severity.
Up to .5 point of penalty for each failure to qualify for a non-secret ingredient thing
Use of the SI:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to .75 point of penalty for class abilities not used in some way.
Up to .75 point of penalty for not maximizing the particular strengths or minimizing the particular weaknesses of the SI
Up to .75 point of penalty for If I feel the build really failes to capture the feel of the SI.
Up to 1.75 point of penalty for each failure to qualify for the secret ingredient- lack of skill, feat, bab & other requirements
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2013-10-21, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-21, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-21, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
arrrh I am extremely busy with my project I hate projects...
On another note, congrats Macabareth!
Also, Ponies easy to read judging criteria. Relytan there are several things of yours that I do not understand
For example what do you mean by:
"Up to 1 points of penalty for how well you do the things that you do."
Do entries get penalized for doing the things that they do well?
And also, for example, in elegance:
"Up to 1.5 points of penalty for if the build is basic."
It is rare to penalize simple basic builds, do I need to make my build overly complicated?Thanks a lot Gengy for the awesome... just a sec... avatar. :)
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2013-10-21, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
OK, I am posting criteria in case I end up judging. However, there is a solid chance I will not have time to do so. I'm going to try, but if the next two weeks are anything like the last two, it'll be rough for me.
My judging criteria:
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In each category, I'm adding what I consider a "baseline build" - a build that, by my rubric, should get a 3.
Originality
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Let me preface this section by saying that I don't think originality is wholly contingent upon choice of class. Two builds can have the exact same class levels, and yet end up going in completely different directions. Choice of class DOES matter, but I'm more interested in what your build actually does.
I also will not penalize you just because someone else has chosen the same class as you. If you submit something that I find unexpected, I'll score it high even if the next person has the exact same build. But if you submit an entry that I consider standard or expected, don't expect a lot of points even if no one else went that direction.
So what will gain you points? Use the abilities you have in fresh and interesting ways. Surprise me. Show me new combinations that I've never seen before. Meanwhile, using well-known builds will cause you to lose points.
BASELINE BUILD: A build that steers clear of known cheese and standard build elements, but doesn't necessarily make me sit up and go "wow." Builds that involve new combinations or focus on unexpected elements will score higher here, while builds that utilize known cheese or that are pretty much stock builds will score lower.
Power
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There are two questions that will define how I rate a build's power. They are...
(1) How good is your build at its intended role?
(2) Will you stay relevant if your main "trick" does not work?
I don't expect every build to have 9th-level casting or manifesting, or to be able to bring the universe to its knees. However, if your build has a specific role or function, I expect you to be at least adequate at it. And if your build is a one-trick pony, it had better be a pretty good trick. I will deduct points if you can't function outside of a very limited set of parameters.
I'll also be looking for obvious ways your build could be improved (other than the most obvious "take fewer levels of the Secret Ingredient"). There's nothing wrong with sacrificing a little power for flavor, but if a choice makes you worse at your role, I will penalize for it. Just hope you make up the points in elegance or originality, I guess...
Finally, I don't plan to grade on a curve. Even if this is a weak ingredient, don't expect full points in Power if you've managed to just barely become adequate. Everyone's got the same ingredient to work with, after all.
BASELINE BUILD: A build that can meaningfully contribute to a party in most CR-appropriate encounters. Builds that can't, either because their overall power is too low or because they only function in very specific situations, will score lower here. Builds that are particularly proficient or useful, or that can meaningfully contribute even in over-CR'd encounters, will score higher.
Elegance
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Obscurity or using multitude of sources doesn't bother me, but for the love of Pelor, please cite your work! I am very familiar with the system, but I like to have the books in front of me when I'm reviewing a build. I also don't like too much mixing of setting-specific material. (Note that just because a class or feat appears in a setting book doesn't mean that I will consider it setting-specific; I'm referring to things like regional feats, feats and classes that involve certain setting-specific orders, etc.)
Now that that's out of the way... I don't mind dips, as long as they are reasonable and make sense. However, I will not ignore the "fluff" requirements of a class. If a prestige class requires you to be a member of the Wizards of the Unseen University and your build glosses over that requirement, expect to see a small deduction.
In any case, while I won't penalize for dips, I do like nice clean builds, where everything works in harmony, so you can pick up extra points that way. I will also give out small bonuses here if everything is written up cleanly, in an engaging manner. Nothing huge - the build is most important. But presentation DOES matter, and if you do a good job with it, I think you should be rewarded. I don't need three pages of backstory, but I do like to see more than a list of abilities.
I'm mildly cheese-tolerant - I don't mind characters being effective or using abilities in new and exciting ways, as long as the rules do indeed back you up. But this should be something you are willing to sit down with other human beings and actually play, so keep the Vieux Boulougne at home. Also, this should go without saying, but if a build element is illegal (failing to qualify for a feat/PrC, for instance), I will deduct for it.
BASELINE BUILD: A build that you can pick up and walk over to almost any table, and it won't raise any eyebrows. Builds that are DM-dependent or questionable rules-wise will score lower here, as will builds that are clunky and messy. Builds that are a thing of beauty will score higher here - ones that make even the stuffiest DM sit up and say, hey, that's awesome, I'd love to have you in our group.
Use of Secret Ingredient
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This one's pretty simple. Do you use the secret ingredient's abilities to good effect, or are they more of a footnote? Is there another class that could have done a better job at what you are trying to do? Your goal here is to highlight the secret ingredient, not to mask it. You will gain points by taking advantage of all the abilities provided, by using them in effective ways (an ability that would have been cool at level 6 won't score points with me if you don't pick it up until level 12), and by demonstrating how the SI brings your build together. You will lose points by dropping too many levels, failing to take advantage of the class's core abilities and pre-requisites, etc. You will automatically get minimum points here if you don't actually qualify for the PrC, so double-check those skill points!
BASELINE BUILD: A build that manages to use the secret ingredient without crying out to me, "HEY, this is only here because of a stupid contest, OK!" (I know, it might be hard with this one ) Builds that utilize all of the SI's abilities to good effect, and who really sell the idea that only the SI would have worked here, will score higher. Builds that don't really get any use out of the class features or pre-reqs, or that would really obviously just do better with another option, will score lower.
Optimization Showcase in the Playground
Former projects:
Shadowcaster Handbook
Archer Build Compendium
Iron Chef Awards!
Spoiler
GOLD
IC LXXVI: Talos
IC LXXV: Alphonse Louise Constant
IC XLIX: Babalon, Queen of Bones
IC XLV: Dead Mists
IC XL: Lycus Blackbeak
IC XXXIX: AM-1468
IC XXXV: Parsifal the Fool
IC XXX: Jal Filius
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2013-10-21, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
There. That wasn't too last-minute or anything *glances around*. Chairman, please confirm receipt of my Corrupt Avenger built with [redacted] at your leisure.
EDIT: relytdan, regarding your note on plagiarized builds, how would you know whether an anonymously submitted build was, in fact, written by the person who is the victim of the alleged plagiarism? I mean, we don't sign our names to the builds to be seen until after the Big Reveal, and even if the names are/aren't the same, some folks use different screen names on different sites.Last edited by Amphetryon; 2013-10-21 at 05:34 PM.
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2013-10-21, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
What? Both Ponies and Piggy Knowles are out this time? Someone else has a chance of winning it!!!
Spoiler: ICitP Participations
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2013-10-21, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-21, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I for one would welcome a basic build (here interpreted as a natural way of entering), though I could understand someone deducting points in originality. But then again, I think simplicity coincides well with elegance. Someone else might disagree with me on that. Luckily we have multiple judges this round so it will even out I guess.
Say, might be a strange Idea, but would it be welcome for me to compile a post of all the judging criteria and judges? I would open with a quote form the OP with the judging guidelines and further more present each judge with their judging criteria (if present in this thread). Would people like that?Warlock Poetry?
Or ways to use me in game?
Better grab a drink...
Currently ruining Strahd's day - Avatar by the Outstanding Smuchsmuch
First Ordained Jr. Tormlet by LoyalPaladin
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2013-10-21, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground L
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2013-10-21, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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You know what, I'll just go ahead and do it:
Ladies, gentlemen, and other forms of intelligent life (that means int>3),
I present you the judges of this round (in chronological order of calling a judge seat in this thread), including (if apliccable) standards of judging:
Standard judging guidelines (by Kuulvheysoon):
Originally Posted by opening post
Spoiler
General things
Please cite your sources. I don't wanna google fu things i don't know if you can simply write down the books used.
I won't judge dishes that don't follow the Rules of the Iron Chef Challenge as well as dishes breaking the rules of the forum.
I'll give some examples for the specific scores for Power and Originality. Since Elegance and UotSI are more tricky, I will write down what i expect.
Originality
Originality comes in two forms: the build and the character as presented in your write up. Please keep in mind that expectation is a big part of originality. If I exptected certain classes, tricks or characteristics used, this might differ from the expectations of other judges.
5 points: You blew my mind. The presented dish is an original build idea merged with an interesting character concept.
4 points: Either your build or your character concept are original. Either or both are above Iron Chef standards (as perceived by me).
3 points: Your build is known, but you used it in a surprising way OR Your build is well known, the presented character makes up for it by being particularly interesting. Your dish is what I expect when reading an Iron Chef entry.
2 points: Your dish is an interesting build, but not a character OR Your build is a well known stub with something sprinkled over it.
1 point: Your dish is a well known build and is only a build, not a character.
Power
I'm judging dishes regarding power asking myself two questions: Are you consistently powerful from level 1-20? What role(s) are you trying to excel at?
5 points: You have more than one trick. You are excellent at what you do from level 1-20.
4 points: You excel at multiple roles but need some time to get there.
3 points: You are a well rounded addition to any party at any level OR You fulfill multiple roles and are more than decent at them OR You have some dead levels before starting to shine.
2 points: You have one trick and you a really good at it, but only at certains level.
1 point: You have one trick and are not even good at that one.
Elegance
What I'd like to see:
Clean builds, where you qualify for everything without using questionable stuff. I won't penalize dips, but a 5/10/5 or similar will probably score higher. A high score means your build flows nicely. Feats, Classes and Class abilities work nicely together. Nothing seems to have been added just to get power or originality. You are welcome at any table.
What I don't like:
If you depend on Wishloops, Shapechange shenanigans, Chaos shuffle, etc. expect heavy deductions. If I can't figure out what some of your tricks are due to a poor write up, expect a deduction. A low score means your build is hard to read or seems to be consisting of different parts glued together or is using questionable mechanics. Certain groups or GMs might refuse to allow you to sit down at their table.
UotSI
When do you enter the SI?
What use do make of the class abilities, BAB, saves, skills?
Would another Prestige Class be better for your build?
Does your build "feel" like a Corrupt Avenger?
Socratov
SpoilerOriginality: I'll judge this in the light of 2 parts:- among peers. If you have a completely different set of classes then other contestants you'll score higher
- backstory. If you have a creative way of creating the need for your character storywise to enter the sectret ingredient this will definitely score you points. s
Power: Judged in terms of what a character can contribute in various situations: in combat and out of combat. bonus points for clever use of spells, utilizing action economy and skill challenges or social situations. Bonus is possible for turning non obvious weaknesses into strengths.
Elegance: a bit vague to define, but I'll do my best to give a slight quantification here. Bonus points for creating a logical and smooth flow. If the build works towards the secret ingreadient gradually and logically follows into the secret ingredient you get more points thne a build which enters the class non sequitur or ad hoc. Another factor in deciding elegance is the number of hoops the build jumps through to qualify. Lots of obscure feats, ACF's and dipping could cost you points if those feats and dips are not really contributing to the character other then power and early entry.
Use of Secret Ingredient: simple. Do you finish the class or drop out early? do you use only a part of the arsenal the class brings or use every trick in the book (literally)? those are questions I use to determine the score of a build on use of secret ingredient.
Keynub
[Top secret. Who knows? Keynub, that's who!]
OMGPonies
SpoilerMy Criteria
Each entry will start at a base score of 12 (3 in each category), with deductions or bonuses awarded based on the following questions:
SpoilerOriginality:
- Does the entry present a compelling backstory/concept?
- Does the entry enter the Secret Ingredient through a method unique from the sample character in the source as well as other entries in this round?
- Does the entry make use of any unique mechanical tricks/feat chains?
- Does the entry avoid known cheese and overused optimization suggestions?
Power:
- Does the entry surpass a hypothetical build that continues in the base class used for qualification?
- Does the entry function at the same power level throughout an entire adventuring day, rather than relying on "nova" powers?
- Does the entry thrive without an undue emphasis on items, templates, or other "add-ons" for its power?
- Does the entry contribute significantly in terms of offense, defense, and utility?
Elegance:
- Does the entry qualify for all classes taken outside the Secret Ingredient?
- Does the entry qualify for all feats taken?
- Does the entry avoid reliance on any questionable rules interpretations, cross-setting material, or material specifically disallowed from this competition?
- Does the entry avoid multi-class penalties and dipping* more than once?
UoSI:
- Does the entry qualify for the Secret Ingredient and make use of all entry requirements?
- Does the entry complete the Secret Ingredient or present a compelling reason why not doing so is actually a better use of the Secret Ingredient?
- Does the entry synergize the unique mechanical abilities of the Secret Ingredient with the rest of the build and/or present a novel use of said mechanical abilities?
- Does the entry complement the concept of its chassis through use of the Secret Ingredient?
*Where "dipping" is defined as taking two or fewer levels in a base class or prestige class.
Each of the questions above can be answered in one of three ways. A straight "yes" will earn a +0.5 bonus to the category in question. A straight "no" will suffer a -0.5 penalty to the category, and an ambivalent "yes and no" will wash out with no adjustment to the category. Other scoring rules (like a flat -1 penalty per Flaw used, for instance) will be followed as requested by the Chairman in the thread. If there are any questions about the clarity of my criteria in general, please post them openly so I can address. If there are any disagreements with particular scores, please PM the chairman as part of the regular dispute process.
relytdan
SpoilerAll Builds are equal and start with a perfect 5 in all areas.
Useage of any materials banned or disallowed, will result in an automatic 0 score in all areas, no exceptions.
Plagiarism of another build online, the severity of this can cause major deductions & possibly resulting in a 0 score, depending on if you are the author.
All scoring will be done based on deductions from 5 to 0 in .25 fractions In the following areas.
Originality:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to 1 points of penalty based on whether the race or templates used were things I expected, and whether anyone else thought to use them. cheese may see dedutions.
Up to 1 points of penalty based on whether the classes or Prc used were things I expected, and whether anyone else thought to use them. cheese may see dedutions.
Up to 1 points of penalty to a build not doing something interesting or something I have seen before respectively.
Up to 1 points of penalty to a build, if I find your fluff to be particularly long.
Power:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to 1.5 points of penalty for lack of versatility.
Up to 1 points of penalty for how well you do the things that you do.
Up to 1 point of penalty for if your build appears it needs help from others
Up to .5 point of penalty for each piece of specific equipment the build relies on.
Elegance:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to 1.5 points of penalty for if the build is basic.
Up to 1.25 points of penalty If you incur multiclass penalties, change alignment mid-build, class level dip, or the like
Up to .75 point of penalty for any rules interpretation - depending on severity.
Up to .5 point of penalty for each failure to qualify for a non-secret ingredient thing
Use of the SI:
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Start from a baseline score of 5
Up to .75 point of penalty for class abilities not used in some way.
Up to .75 point of penalty for not maximizing the particular strengths or minimizing the particular weaknesses of the SI
Up to .75 point of penalty for If I feel the build really failes to capture the feel of the SI.
Up to 1.75 point of penalty for each failure to qualify for the secret ingredient- lack of skill, feat, bab & other requirements
Piggy Knowles
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In each category, I'm adding what I consider a "baseline build" - a build that, by my rubric, should get a 3.
Originality
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Let me preface this section by saying that I don't think originality is wholly contingent upon choice of class. Two builds can have the exact same class levels, and yet end up going in completely different directions. Choice of class DOES matter, but I'm more interested in what your build actually does.
I also will not penalize you just because someone else has chosen the same class as you. If you submit something that I find unexpected, I'll score it high even if the next person has the exact same build. But if you submit an entry that I consider standard or expected, don't expect a lot of points even if no one else went that direction.
So what will gain you points? Use the abilities you have in fresh and interesting ways. Surprise me. Show me new combinations that I've never seen before. Meanwhile, using well-known builds will cause you to lose points.
BASELINE BUILD: A build that steers clear of known cheese and standard build elements, but doesn't necessarily make me sit up and go "wow." Builds that involve new combinations or focus on unexpected elements will score higher here, while builds that utilize known cheese or that are pretty much stock builds will score lower.
Power
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There are two questions that will define how I rate a build's power. They are...
(1) How good is your build at its intended role?
(2) Will you stay relevant if your main "trick" does not work?
I don't expect every build to have 9th-level casting or manifesting, or to be able to bring the universe to its knees. However, if your build has a specific role or function, I expect you to be at least adequate at it. And if your build is a one-trick pony, it had better be a pretty good trick. I will deduct points if you can't function outside of a very limited set of parameters.
I'll also be looking for obvious ways your build could be improved (other than the most obvious "take fewer levels of the Secret Ingredient"). There's nothing wrong with sacrificing a little power for flavor, but if a choice makes you worse at your role, I will penalize for it. Just hope you make up the points in elegance or originality, I guess...
Finally, I don't plan to grade on a curve. Even if this is a weak ingredient, don't expect full points in Power if you've managed to just barely become adequate. Everyone's got the same ingredient to work with, after all.
BASELINE BUILD: A build that can meaningfully contribute to a party in most CR-appropriate encounters. Builds that can't, either because their overall power is too low or because they only function in very specific situations, will score lower here. Builds that are particularly proficient or useful, or that can meaningfully contribute even in over-CR'd encounters, will score higher.
Elegance
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Obscurity or using multitude of sources doesn't bother me, but for the love of Pelor, please cite your work! I am very familiar with the system, but I like to have the books in front of me when I'm reviewing a build. I also don't like too much mixing of setting-specific material. (Note that just because a class or feat appears in a setting book doesn't mean that I will consider it setting-specific; I'm referring to things like regional feats, feats and classes that involve certain setting-specific orders, etc.)
Now that that's out of the way... I don't mind dips, as long as they are reasonable and make sense. However, I will not ignore the "fluff" requirements of a class. If a prestige class requires you to be a member of the Wizards of the Unseen University and your build glosses over that requirement, expect to see a small deduction.
In any case, while I won't penalize for dips, I do like nice clean builds, where everything works in harmony, so you can pick up extra points that way. I will also give out small bonuses here if everything is written up cleanly, in an engaging manner. Nothing huge - the build is most important. But presentation DOES matter, and if you do a good job with it, I think you should be rewarded. I don't need three pages of backstory, but I do like to see more than a list of abilities.
I'm mildly cheese-tolerant - I don't mind characters being effective or using abilities in new and exciting ways, as long as the rules do indeed back you up. But this should be something you are willing to sit down with other human beings and actually play, so keep the Vieux Boulougne at home. Also, this should go without saying, but if a build element is illegal (failing to qualify for a feat/PrC, for instance), I will deduct for it.
BASELINE BUILD: A build that you can pick up and walk over to almost any table, and it won't raise any eyebrows. Builds that are DM-dependent or questionable rules-wise will score lower here, as will builds that are clunky and messy. Builds that are a thing of beauty will score higher here - ones that make even the stuffiest DM sit up and say, hey, that's awesome, I'd love to have you in our group.
Use of Secret Ingredient
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This one's pretty simple. Do you use the secret ingredient's abilities to good effect, or are they more of a footnote? Is there another class that could have done a better job at what you are trying to do? Your goal here is to highlight the secret ingredient, not to mask it. You will gain points by taking advantage of all the abilities provided, by using them in effective ways (an ability that would have been cool at level 6 won't score points with me if you don't pick it up until level 12), and by demonstrating how the SI brings your build together. You will lose points by dropping too many levels, failing to take advantage of the class's core abilities and pre-requisites, etc. You will automatically get minimum points here if you don't actually qualify for the PrC, so double-check those skill points!
BASELINE BUILD: A build that manages to use the secret ingredient without crying out to me, "HEY, this is only here because of a stupid contest, OK!" (I know, it might be hard with this one ) Builds that utilize all of the SI's abilities to good effect, and who really sell the idea that only the SI would have worked here, will score higher. Builds that don't really get any use out of the class features or pre-reqs, or that would really obviously just do better with another option, will score lower.
So, per the rules of this contest: 4 categories; minimum 1 (assuming legal entry), maximum 5 points; 6 judges means that the builds will score between 24 and 180 points, averaging 102 points. Exciting!Last edited by Socratov; 2013-10-21 at 06:06 PM.
Warlock Poetry?
Or ways to use me in game?
Better grab a drink...
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My exact thoughts. I was actually thinking that today as I realized that no submission from them had come through.
Both are confirmed as received.
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This was quite a curious class... Corrupt Avenger has a lot of "it works like X, but it is a stand-alone ability"
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Crap. I don't think I'll be able to finish build number two in time.
At least I got my first one in and I like it overall.Last edited by dysprosium; 2013-10-21 at 06:58 PM.
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With ~1minute 30seconds, you gotta type quick bro!
I think I've just squeezed in. And now; the (short?) wait for the reveal! Yay!
And ooh baby; lots of judges. I did have trouble getting enthusiasm for this one, gotta admit. Kept finding things to do instead.Last edited by Vaz; 2013-10-21 at 07:00 PM.
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Alright people, submission is CLOSED.
Please refrain from posting until I can get everything up.
Much appreciated.
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RingMan to Rule them AllOriginally Posted by SmeagolLast edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2013-10-21 at 07:57 PM.
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