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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurald Galain View Post
    And that is why every claim is linked to a particular strip. We will remove claims if contradicted by newer evidence, but not for the mere speculation that something might have changed. For example, we haven't seen Elan's rapier in the past 13 strips either, but we're not about to remove it from his list unless there's evidence that he no longer has it. Even if it's possible that it has been dropped or disarmed or traded for a yoyo or something.
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    Precisely. We could discuss extending this principle to "All members of Team Tarquin", or possibly to "All goblins closely associated with Redcloak".
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    It seems Haley's character sheet forgot to include the two big gemstones (that look like crystal balls to me) she's got from her mother. Could you please add them?

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    I've updated Laurin's stats to reflect her advanced age.

    I've just had a thought: Would the fact Soon Kim adventured with Girard and Kraagor be enough evidence that both of them are non-evil? I know it's never spelt out if he fell or not by associating with them, but I think it would be prudent to require evidence of falling in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMS Oceanic View Post
    I've updated Laurin's stats to reflect her advanced age.

    I've just had a thought: Would the fact Soon Kim adventured with Girard and Kraagor be enough evidence that both of them are non-evil? I know it's never spelt out if he fell or not by associating with them, but I think it would be prudent to require evidence of falling in that regard.
    It might be evidence that they were non-evil when they adventured together, but not that they remained so after the group split up - and this thread attempts to record current state, or state at time of death, I guess.

    Girard is suspiciously absent from the Giant's list of Neutral characters, and I think there's enough that's suspicious about the Girard clan's behaviour that we cannot simply assume he is Good.

    So I would suggest no. Sorry.

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    Shouldn't all kobolds have either an intelligence score of 12+ or ranks in speak language if they're speaking common?
    They can put a rank in linguistic, man.

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    Quoth Kurald Galain:

    Interesting question. But, aren't most of Belkar's opponents simple low-level mooks?
    Hm. Against a wight (chosen because he specifically said that he doesn't like fighting undead, thus presumably not a favored enemy), he kills in three hits. Wights have 26 HP. If we assume that that's two main-hand attacks and one off-hand, and that he has no damage bonus other than strength and weapon enhancement, then he's dealing at most 9 + 2X + Y + 2.5S, where X is the enhancement bonus on his primary weapon, Y is the enhancement bonus on his secondary, and S is his strength bonus.

    This means that if his daggers are both +5, then his strength is at least 12; if they're both +4, then his strength is at least 14; if they're +3, then it's at least 18; if they're +2, it's at least 20; and if they're only +1, then it's at least 22. Before items, his Strength can be at most 19, which means that he must either have an item of Str +4, or an item of Str +2 and at least one +2 dagger, or at least one +3 dagger. If we're still going by his maximum strength being 17, as listed on the first page, then that means that his better dagger is at least +4 and his worse dagger is at least +2.

    Alternately, he appears to kill a medium zombie (16 HP) in two hits. Unfortunately, though, that doesn't give us any new lower bounds, compared to the wight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronos View Post
    Hm. Against a wight (chosen because he specifically said that he doesn't like fighting undead, thus presumably not a favored enemy), he kills in three hits. Wights have 26 HP. If we assume that that's two main-hand attacks and one off-hand, and that he has no damage bonus other than strength and weapon enhancement, then he's dealing at most 9 + 2X + Y + 2.5S, where X is the enhancement bonus on his primary weapon, Y is the enhancement bonus on his secondary, and S is his strength bonus.

    This means that if his daggers are both +5, then his strength is at least 12; if they're both +4, then his strength is at least 14; if they're +3, then it's at least 18; if they're +2, it's at least 20; and if they're only +1, then it's at least 22. Before items, his Strength can be at most 19, which means that he must either have an item of Str +4, or an item of Str +2 and at least one +2 dagger, or at least one +3 dagger. If we're still going by his maximum strength being 17, as listed on the first page, then that means that his better dagger is at least +4 and his worse dagger is at least +2.

    Alternately, he appears to kill a medium zombie (16 HP) in two hits. Unfortunately, though, that doesn't give us any new lower bounds, compared to the wight.
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    They can put a rank in linguistic, man.
    That's not a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame of Anor View Post
    That's not a thing.
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    Just idly speculating here, but...is there any precedent for the PP required by a spell like Wormhole to scale with the distance travelled and/or the length of time open? If it worked that way, she spent a huge chunk of PP bringing the army, a smaller amount bringing in Miron and Kilkil, and then a relatively meager amount each time she used it chasing the allosaurus. Even if the power is relatively high level, she wouldn't need to have a gargantuan PP reserve. Just a thought.
    Yes. Augments can do basically everything thematically related to improving the spell.

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    Julio Scoundrel has a Chaos Sabre.

    I have no idea what a Chaos Sabre does, unless it's an Anarchic Sabre by another name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shale View Post
    Julio Scoundrel has a Chaos Sabre.

    I have no idea what a Chaos Sabre does, unless it's an Anarchic Sabre by another name.
    Also, there's no standard weapon called a sabre. So basically it's a custom magic weapon, unless someone can find it in a splatbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame of Anor View Post
    Also, there's no standard weapon called a sabre. So basically it's a custom magic weapon, unless someone can find it in a splatbook.
    The saber (sic) is in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting -- at least the 3.0 version that I have. Medium, 1d8, crit 19-20/x2, slashing and piercing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shale View Post
    Julio Scoundrel has a Chaos Sabre.

    I have no idea what a Chaos Sabre does, unless it's an Anarchic Sabre by another name.
    What I'm questioning is whether Julio should be able to pun-duel with it.

    When Julio first explained the DS class, he said you can substitute the charisma if you're wielding a rapier. Not a sword in general.

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    He's a level 10 dashing swordsman. That may expand his options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orrion View Post
    What I'm questioning is whether Julio should be able to pun-duel with it.

    When Julio first explained the DS class, he said you can substitute the charisma if you're wielding a rapier. Not a sword in general.
    I'm thinking this is one of those cases where the Giant wrote a throwaway piece of dialogue more than five years ago and has forgotten the particulars. Or we can pretend that a saber is a reskinned rapier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orrion View Post
    What I'm questioning is whether Julio should be able to pun-duel with it.

    When Julio first explained the DS class, he said you can substitute the charisma if you're wielding a rapier. Not a sword in general.
    It's very possible that, like some classes, the Dashing Swordsman merely requires a blade which can be finessed. Rapiers are simply the most common, but at least one class (Dervish) extends the option to Scimitars, which I believe are listed as a weapon equivalent for sabres in one of the older books.

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    The pun there is 'weave'. Theres Chaos Weave weapons in 4th edition dunno about third
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    The pun there is 'weave'. Theres Chaos Weave weapons in 4th edition dunno about third
    The pun's weave because he's on a woven carpet.

    Not sure why the puns need to be discussed here, though.
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    It might be evidence that they were non-evil when they adventured together, but not that they remained so after the group split up - and this thread attempts to record current state, or state at time of death, I guess.

    Girard is suspiciously absent from the Giant's list of Neutral characters, and I think there's enough that's suspicious about the Girard clan's behaviour that we cannot simply assume he is Good.

    So I would suggest no. Sorry.
    Well, Rich stated in the last part of that Geekadamia interview that more will be revealed to show Girard as less paranoid.

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    Just a quick question: How do we know that Laurin's healing power is Adjust Body as opposed to, say, True Metabolism (which grants regeneration 10)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaDzilla View Post
    Well, Rich stated in the last part of that Geekadamia interview that more will be revealed to show Girard as less paranoid.
    I believe the contention that he and/or his clan are non-Good stems more from the fact that their M.O. is to seduce and procreate with people outside the clan, then steal the resulting children.

    While it's certainly possible that they remain Good under the setting's definition (depends on the DM/author's interpretation), that's ... well, suffice to say that it's one of those issues that likely would cause extremely heated, probably violent debate.

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    I believe the contention that he and/or his clan are non-Good stems more from the fact that their M.O. is to seduce and procreate with people outside the clan, then steal the resulting children.
    They steal inanimate valuables, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coat View Post
    It might be evidence that they were non-evil when they adventured together, but not that they remained so after the group split up - and this thread attempts to record current state, or state at time of death, I guess.

    Girard is suspiciously absent from the Giant's list of Neutral characters, and I think there's enough that's suspicious about the Girard clan's behaviour that we cannot simply assume he is Good.

    So I would suggest no. Sorry.
    Hmm, it would suggest, however, that Kraagor was nonevil when he died, as at the time he was still adventuring with Soon. I'm still not sure it's enough to put it down, but Kraagor, unlike Girard, didn't have several decades after they split to change alignment.

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    Just a quick question: How do we know that Laurin's healing power is Adjust Body as opposed to, say, True Metabolism (which grants regeneration 10)?
    She asks Tarquin to wait until she has finished healing, which suggests it is not a regeneration effect. It makes no sense to ask him to wait possibly several rounds while she passively regenerates.

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    Let's put this simply, alright?

    • We have pretty conclusive evidence that, at one point, Kraagor and Girard were both non-evil.
    • Kraagor had no chance to change alignment since then.
    • We have no admissible evidence (see FAQ) that Girard changed alignments.


    So, by the rules, we should list them both as non-evil until and unless we have reason to believe otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szar_Lakol View Post
    She asks Tarquin to wait until she has finished healing, which suggests it is not a regeneration effect. It makes no sense to ask him to wait possibly several rounds while she passively regenerates.
    See, I read that the other way. To me, "finish healing" implies some healing process that takes more than one round, so Tarquin can act in the middle of it. If she acted before Tarquin, she would have already healed. If she acted after Tarquin, she would have said "Wait, I haven't healed yet!", not, "Wait, I need to finish healing!"
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