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    Troll in the Playground
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    Default Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LI

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef LI. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. Please refrain from using Taint unless it's necessary for the Secret Ingredient.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Monday, November 18th, 2013 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Monday, December 2nd, 2013 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not. In that same vein, drawing solely from the Core 3 (and the d20 SRD) should not be punished for lacking Originality.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Complete Divine's Black Flame Zealot!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez, optimiser!

    Contestants

    Judges

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

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    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
    Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
    Iron Chef XLV: Talon of Tiamat
    Iron Chef XLVI: Cipher Adept
    Iron Chef XLVII: Cold Iron Warrior
    Iron Chef XLVIII: Shadow Sun Ninja
    Iron Chef XLIX: Thrall to Orcus
    Iron Chef L: Corrupt Avenger

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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasnít a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Troll in the Playground
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    FAQ:
    What's this even about? I'm glad you asked, actually...

    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    What about the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (kukri) feat? Kukris are martial weapons in 3.5. Well, I'm glad you asked. Mere proficiency with the kukri will be enough to satisfy the requirement for the purposes of this competition.

    What about the unclear bit about which deities I can worship? Consider the class open to any character who worships a non-good deity who would typically grant access to the Fire Domain and either the Destruction or Death Domain. Notice the requirement on worshiping a deity (so clerics and the like of an ideal are technically illegal, by RAW).
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    Avatar by Iron Penguin.

    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasnít a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    I'll need to decide in the morning whether I want to attempt to Judge, or be a contestant. I'm not exactly liking the ingredient right now.

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    I've never entered before, but I love this prestige class. So I'm going to give this a shot.
    Most of my posts are made on my mobile device. Please excuse any errors from auto correct.

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    I'll be competing this round.
    Iron Chef in the Playground veteran since Round IV. Play as me!


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    Hmm well I have always felt that this class looks pretty cool. But I have messed up the last few competitions in entering. So just count me as a "trying" to enter. Time willing, I shall. And inspiration of course.
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    If I can get a pet dinosaur, I totally will. My low wisdom means a raptor looks like a great guard dog.


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    I'm game for this round as well. And a question. For the purposes of qualification to enter the prestige class. Are we still required to take the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Kukri), even if we have a class that will give us proficiency with a kukri, e.g. the CA Ninja?
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    I too will wade into the waters here and create a build........

    My first so be gentle!!


    haha!


    :)


    Wizard Girl

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrimsonNekros View Post
    I'm game for this round as well. And a question. For the purposes of qualification to enter the prestige class. Are we still required to take the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Kukri), even if we have a class that will give us proficiency with a kukri, e.g. the CA Ninja?
    Actually it is mentioned above in the FAQ, all you need is proficiency with the kukri to enter the class.
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    Yeah... even if it's a fairly friendly place by the internet's standards... it's still the internet. A certain level of pedantic bickering is to be expected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
    The forums can't universally agree that the sun will rise in the east. Disagreement is what we do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacior
    If I can get a pet dinosaur, I totally will. My low wisdom means a raptor looks like a great guard dog.


    Awesome Holy Knight Haluesen avatar done by the uber skilled Grinner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haluesen View Post
    Actually it is mentioned above in the FAQ, all you need is proficiency with the kukri to enter the class.
    Whoops i completely missed that. Thank you very much.

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    Heh glad to help!

    @WizardGirl: We shall try to be. Welcome and have lots of fun with it!
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    Yeah... even if it's a fairly friendly place by the internet's standards... it's still the internet. A certain level of pedantic bickering is to be expected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
    The forums can't universally agree that the sun will rise in the east. Disagreement is what we do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacior
    If I can get a pet dinosaur, I totally will. My low wisdom means a raptor looks like a great guard dog.


    Awesome Holy Knight Haluesen avatar done by the uber skilled Grinner!

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    Kobold

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    Wow. I think I just saw the reason that this class was picked. That is hilarious.
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    I may enter

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardGirl74 View Post
    I too will wade into the waters here and create a build........

    My first so be gentle!!


    haha!


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    Thank you!

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    I'm competing this round again. I might send a pm to the chairman for a small question on ruling.
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    Huh. I saw the SI and thought that it was a repeat. Guess I must have been thinking of . . . well, I don't want to flirt with speculation, but there's an obviously similar one in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaq View Post
    Huh. I saw the SI and thought that it was a repeat. Guess I must have been thinking of . . . well, I don't want to flirt with speculation, but there's an obviously similar one in there.
    Clearly, you were thinking of Assassin.

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    Huh... That's... something... We'll see if I come up with anything. If not, I'll judge.

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    Alright, I got a concept, however it's not really pulling together for me, so I'll judge, this looks like a fun round. Please see below for my criteria.

    Everyone starts at an average of 3 points.
    Originality:
    1. Common or Uncommon Race : Common -.5 Unexpected but others used -0. Uncommon and unused otherwise +.5
    2. Common or Uncommon Base Class: Common -.5
    Unexpected but others used -0. Uncommon and Unused otherwise +.5
    3. Creative use of other prestige classes: No other prestige Classes +0. Creative prestige class +.5
    4. Fluff and how Interesting the Build is: If the build has no unique mechanics, and uninteresting fluff, -1.
    If the build has a unique mechanic, but uninteresting fluff, or vise versa, -.5 If the build has both interesting fluff, and a unique mechanic, +.0
    5. Bonus Points: If the build uses something completely out of left field, +.5

    Power:
    1. Good offense, defense, and utility. No offense defense or utility in comparison to a stock build of your type -1. 1 of the 3 -.5, 2 of the 3 +.0, All 3 +.5
    2. How well can you fare alone: Needs help to even stand a chance -.5, Can do well, but benefits from team mates +0, can take out an appropriate CR encounter by yourself +.5
    3. Are you more powerful than the other contestants?: No -.5, Middle of the Pack +0, Yes +.5 (Will give bottom 25% No, middle 50 the MotP, and Top 25% Yes.)
    4. Did you use items?: Yes: +0, No +.5

    Elegance:
    1. Any Multiclass Penalties, or More than 1 Dip: Multiclass and Multiple Dips: -.5 Multiclass or Multiple Dips: -0 Neither +.5
    2. How simple is your build?: If you go into one class, then follow into next, never going back and forth, expect a full .5 here. If you do it once, expect a 0. If you do it more than once, expect -.5 Edit: Exception: After SI one change is allowed with still positive points. Initiatiors get 1 free change as well.
    3. Do you qualify for all your non SI required Feats?: Yes: +.5, no -.5
    4. How many sources do you use besides PHB and SI Source?: 4-7: +.5, 8+: +0, No sources -.5 Edit on scoring for sources.

    UotSI:
    1. Do you qualify for the Secret Ingredient? Yes: +.5
    No -.5
    2. Do you take the secret ingredient at a reasonable entry level: At the earliest level it can be taken +1, At the earliest level you can take it: +.5, within 3 levels +0, After 4 levels, -.5
    3. Do you use the mechanics of the SI: All of them +.5, Some of them +0, None of them -.5
    4. Does your build flow into the SI? Yes: +.5, No -.5 Let me explain this a little better. This will also include how many levels you take in the class. If you take less than 5 levels, even if it is well explained, expect a penalty of -.5 Because your build doesn't really flow into the SI, it uses a few pieces of it. After 5 levels, I'll look at what you would gain if you took more levels, and decide if you mark the penalty or the positive, or kind of wash out and get nothing here.

    Earliest Entry Level for Black Flame Zealot: 6 (Yes, I did figure out a build that can get in at 6.)

    Any questions? Please send them to me before the disputes start, so I can edit this and everyone has a clear idea of what my rubric is.

    Also, Ponies? Sorry, but I did kind of borrow from your Rubric. I modified it, but I really liked how you scored everything.

    Editted, check elegance and lack of additional penalties now.
    Last edited by Gwachitallemall; 2013-11-05 at 01:44 PM. Reason: Scoring update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwachitallemall View Post
    2. How simple is your build?: If you go into one class, then follow into next, never going back and forth, expect a full .5 here. If you do it once, expect a 0. If you do it more than once, expect -.5.
    What about after finishing the SI? What about those for which it's usually a good idea (namely initiators).

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwachitallemall View Post
    Earliest Entry Level for Black Flame Zealot: 6 (Yes, I did figure out a build that can get in at 6).
    Is it just me or is that what's expected?


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    I'm game for this round as well. And a question. For the purposes of qualification to enter the prestige class. Are we still required to take the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Kukri), even if we have a class that will give us proficiency with a kukri, e.g. [REDACTED]?
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    Also, Ponies? Sorry, but I did kind of borrow from your Rubric. I modified it, but I really liked how you scored everything.
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    Ok, I'll be trying to cook something up. I have an idea nestleling in my mind, inpsired thorugh books I recently read...
    Warlock Poetry?
    Or ways to use me in game?
    Better grab a drink...

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    After SI i will give a one class change allowance (you can go back into one old class)
    Initiatiors also get the same allowance without dropping their score. You get to do it once. So if you are an initiator and leaving the SI, you could go into two old classes. I will modify my criteria with this when I can.

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    hmm I like it, no full idea yet but a question...

    does table override text or text override table? Sacred flame is in the table at 7th level but text states 6th.

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    Text trumps table, specific overrides general.

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    Are we using the "Adaptation" section that opens Black Flame Zealot up to worship of any deity with Destruction, Death, and/or Fire Domains?
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    An interesting ingredient. I'll have to see what I can come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwachitallemall View Post
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    Ugh... the build I was thinking of would do terrible with that rubric...

    Also know that I think about it all my entries on the IC have been humans, I love humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Are we using the "Adaptation" section that opens Black Flame Zealot up to worship of any deity with Destruction, Death, and/or Fire Domains?
    Isn't the normal version less restrictive? I mean you can fluff the order of black flame pretty much any way you want.
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