The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)

[Kalmegil]

I also vote YES that the illusion quote should be included in the index.

[zimmerwald1915]

Have a yes.

[The Linker]

Totes, yo. I mean, um, yes.

[Lycunadari]

Yes, the quote should be included.

[Kish]

Making it formal, yes.

[Sir_Leorik]

I vote No only on the Illusion quote. I personally think this quote is not a worthy addition to the Index, because the quote clarifies a subject that I think was already clear from the comic itself.

[Fish]

I vote yes to include the illusion quote.

Furthermore I vote yes to "just include quotes and stop voting on everything." Double-underlined, with an exclamation point.

[ChristianSt]

To make it official: Yes

[Jasdoif]

I think if a question keeps getting asked (whether it is serious or not so serious) and the Giant has the feeling that he needs to answer it, we should collect it here. And if only for that we can chime in the next time and post a link to that answer so the Giant doesn't need to do so another time (hopefully).

I agree; however in this case, I don't see that the question gets asked with any notable frequency.

Between that and the question being answered rather clearly in the comic itself, including the quote strikes me as cluttering the Index. Voting no.

Furthermore I vote yes to "just include quotes and stop voting on everything." Double-underlined, with an exclamation point.

I vote "no" on "drop the Index in favor of the Google search".

[NerdyKris]

YES include it.

[Lord Torath]

Voting Yes on including the no-longer-in-the-illusion quote.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Yes

Grey Wolf

[oppyu]

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

[pendell]

YES .

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[Kalmegil]

I vote yes to include the illusion quote.

Furthermore I vote yes to "just include quotes and stop voting on everything." Double-underlined, with an exclamation point.

I vote "no" on "drop the Index in favor of the Google search".

Technically, what was suggested was more like the old Yahoo curated index rather than a Google search. Even if we included every single thing the Giant said (which I am not advocating, though I do think concerns about "cluttering" the index are overblown), it would still be far more useful than a Google search, simply because of the organization and summary.

[Fish]

I am of the opinion that all this wrangling and voting is a deterrent to Rich's free communication. I wonder if he becomes less likely to share, knowing that every word will be dissected and debated and rated on its worthiness. (That probably happens anyway but there's no reason we must make it worse.) Include the quotes as a matter of course, if they are clearly OOTS-related and not redundant to other things in the Index.

Voting is an exercise in pre-emptively culling the Index for imagined future problems. I don't see the point. If in the future a real problem arises, deal with it then.

[Throknor]

Yes.
Voting is to stop endless to discussions.
And if we took a random sampling of any five long-term posters to this thread to remove 'obvious' quotes it would be empty. My view aligns with others; the full use is for the third group that missed the Giant's post but would accept it as authoritative.

[orrion]

I am of the opinion that all this wrangling and voting is a deterrent to Rich's free communication. I wonder if he becomes less likely to share, knowing that every word will be dissected and debated and rated on its worthiness. (That probably happens anyway but there's no reason we must make it worse.) Include the quotes as a matter of course, if they are clearly OOTS-related and not redundant to other things in the Index.

Voting is an exercise in pre-emptively culling the Index for imagined future problems. I don't see the point. If in the future a real problem arises, deal with it then.

He's basically already asked that the thread not do what you're proposing.

Moreover, ThePhantasm has already stated that he's not going to maintain a thread that amounts to adding every new post the Giant makes to an ever-increasing Index.

[Gift Jeraff]

No

I am of the opinion that all this wrangling and voting is a deterrent to Rich's free communication. I wonder if he becomes less likely to share, knowing that every word will be dissected and debated and rated on its worthiness. (That probably happens anyway but there's no reason we must make it worse.) Include the quotes as a matter of course, if they are clearly OOTS-related and not redundant to other things in the Index.

Voting is an exercise in pre-emptively culling the Index for imagined future problems. I don't see the point. If in the future a real problem arises, deal with it then.

I agree.

He's basically already asked that the thread not do what you're proposing.

Moreover, ThePhantasm has already stated that he's not going to maintain a thread that amounts to adding every new post the Giant makes to an ever-increasing Index.

I agree with this, too.

[FLHerne]

As others have mentioned, the strip makes it incredibly clear that they escaped from the illusion. The purple tint for its entire duration, the fancy graphics and the way it advances Elan's plot development are all very obvious.

It's not going to come up as a serious misunderstanding - any further threads would probably be comedic and not need or want 'clarifying', and the people using it as some way to retcon stuff they don't like about Tarquin will just find some other way to retcon or reinterpret the things they dislike.
Either way I can't see where the quote would be useful after the current pro-Tarquin discussion has died down, so I'm voting no.

[Jasdoif]

Voting is an exercise in pre-emptively culling the Index for imagined future problems. I don't see the point. If in the future a real problem arises, deal with it then.

The general point in preventing problems is avoiding the need to correct those problems later, which tends to take extra overhead.

If clutter becomes a well-recognized problem, what's going to be the resolution? A debate over which entries are superfluous, following by voting on a mass of entries? All of which puts more work on ThePhantasm and concentrates it into a short period of time, slowing down the introduction of new entries....And meanwhile everyone using the Index is subject to the clutter problem.

For an entry that would be removed when a clutter problem is recognized, a vote that kept it out of the Index would be the equivalent of....adding it, bringing down Index quality, debating over it, voting over its removal, and removing it. Filtering with the inclusion decision takes a lot less time/effort (including workload on ThePhantasm), and there's no interim "cluttered" influence on the Index.

I think it's more advantageous for everyone to have entries excluded from being in the Index in the first place, even though it means we have extra votes from time to time.

[ORione]

Yes, we should include the illusion post.

[Porthos]

For me this is simple, and I've already alluded to it.

Would we include a post about the Four Words (or some other fairly obvious but plot critical comment) Y/n?

Pretty sure we would. I've seen people consistently pointing out book commentary about the Four Words in forum debates, for instance

In a way, it's more for us than it is for others. Having it in the index makes it easier for forumites to link to it to shoot down whatever wild theory some random poster comes up with.

And if they still bring it up as a possibility, denying Word of Giant? Meh. Not my problem anymore.

So, therefore Yes.

[Zherog]

I agree. For me, the strip makes it incredibly clear that they left the illusion. And yet...

YES, obviously (to me) the quote should be included in the index. Just because it was clear to me doesn't mean it was clear to everybody.

I really don't get the desire to be so fussy about what goes into the index. It's not like space is an issue.

[Bird]

Yes.

*limitdance

[Dr. Gamera]

Yes on the "we're not still in the illusion" quote.

[martianmister]

I vote NO to the illusion quote.

[The Recreator]

I vote YES. Regardless of whether or not this is the sort of thing we need on record, it is a quote that we should have on record simply to end discussion on the matter. If I may editorialize a bit, I don't see any discussion on the OotS still being in an illusion, even a hypothetical discussion, going anywhere constructive. This comic is not Minority Report or Inception.

[zimmerwald1915]

I vote YES. Regardless of whether or not this is the sort of thing we need on record, it is a quote that we should have on record simply to end discussion on the matter. If I may editorialize a bit, I don't see any discussion on the OotS still being in an illusion, even a hypothetical discussion, going anywhere constructive. This comic is not Minority Report or Inception.

Thank Banjo for that!

[Savannah]

Yes please include the illusion quote. It is one that I have wanted to link and couldn't find.