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2014-02-07, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
You ARE the thread curator. I do know that while I know you have no power to enforce your rulings I nonetheless take close notice of your suggestions, for the benefit of everyone reading the thread. And I think if you elevate the thread going off track to the attention of the mods they are more likely to take action than if it comes from Joe Schmo.
You'd have to get a definitive mod ruling, but if I were a mod I would not issue an infraction to the thread curator posting publicly that the thread was off the rails and needed to get back on. If you called out individual posters, that WOULD be vigilant modding. But the thread curator is perfectly within his/her rights to comment on the state of the thread, and ask politely that it get back on course. What else is a curator for?
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2014-02-07, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
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2014-02-08, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
Yeah, I should have remembered that rule (I actually went through that post pretty recently) and I apologize for the suggestion. But that does leave the problem of discussions continuing way past the point when all arguments have been made. We used to solve that situation by calling a vote, this was actually the primary purpose of those votes in my mind, but in the new system that is no longer possible.
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2014-02-10, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
In the new system ThePhanasm just makes a post that says, "I'll put this quote up to a vote when it comes time to make an update." Same basic effect.
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2014-02-10, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
There's not much of a point to continuing a discussion on a quote after the community has already made a decision about the quote. I mean, I suppose people could keep discussing it if they wanted to but the decision will have been made.
"And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2014-02-10, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
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2014-02-10, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-11, 02:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
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On Blackwing, Rifts, and Just Who Remembered That Darn Bird and Why.Last edited by Porthos; 2014-02-11 at 02:24 AM.
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2014-02-11, 02:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
This is not a thing I would have thought would needed to be said, but as you can see for yourself in that thread, I spent a great deal of effort arguing against this crazy conspiracy theory and got pretty much nowhere.
Whether it goes in the index or not, I'm certainly going to go back to that thread to find his quote if it comes up again.
However, the fact that it goes into so much detail around the joke, and even states that it has the useful plot aspect of helping delay V's confession to Roy to the end of the book (which I actually theorized! yaaaay), means it actually contains some fair amount of insight in my eyes. And anyway, the fact that Kish made a thread that said "Now we can put this theory to bed!" and eight pages of argument commenced about it tells me... it'll probably come up again.Last edited by The Linker; 2014-02-11 at 02:47 AM.
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2014-02-11, 02:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
One of the good things about the quote is that it also goes down into detail about who was joking there, who had the memory of a goldfish (as he put it) and who had no real cause to remember. Even if we ignored the Rift angle, the above and the plot relevance he brings up makes it more than worthwhile commentary IMO.
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2014-02-11, 02:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
"Blackwing has been Scarygoround-Hell'd" is almost as popular a thing as "Who was scrying on them in the desert?" I support its inclusion whole-heartedly.
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2014-02-11, 03:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
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2014-02-11, 03:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
Anyone who participated in that thread will know that I wholly favor including this quote in the index.
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2014-02-11, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-11, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-11, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-11, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
Nobody is arguing that it shouldn't be included, right? So let's not keep repeating that we want to include it; ThePhantasm will add it when he does.
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2014-02-11, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
I'm not actually talking about the time after the vote has ended, I'm talking of the period of time between when a vote is called and when the quote is actually voted on (because in the new system this can be a significant amount of time).
But I suppose it is possible that these periods are going to be small enough in practice that this won't be a huge deal. Right now I think the best course of action is picking a method and going for it (which we are doing).
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2014-02-11, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
Soon... maybe this evening.
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2014-02-11, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
You probably missed the giant post ThePhantasm made about adjustments to the voting process, it's been a busy half-dozen pages.
So as I understand the whole process, between this post and how things have been run thus far (and someone please correct/clarify for me if I'm getting something wrong):
- Quotes with a clear consensus to include or exclude after discussion will be included in or excluded from the next update, as appropriate.
- Quotes the curator deems clearly aligned with the inclusion guidelines (in the rules in the first post of the thread) will default to be included in the next update without needing extended discussion, but may be voted upon at the time of the update (see below).
- Quotes without a clear consensus to include/exclude after discussion will default to be included in the next update, but may be voted upon at the time of the update (see below).
- Updates will happen when there are six quotes ready to be included or if it has been two months since the last update.
- When an impending update is announced by the curator, and prior to the update being done, people can PM the curator requesting a vote on the particular "default" inclusion quote(s) (the quotes with strong consensus to include do not need to be voted on). Two separate posters must request a vote on a quote for it to occur, otherwise the quote will be included.
- If a vote is necessary, the curator will call for voting on all quotes set to be voted upon. Discussion, beyond reiterating personal reasons for voting alongside the vote, is discouraged while the vote is going on. Per thread rules, to be included a quote must "win" a majority by at least 2 votes.
- Only votes called for by the curator are binding.
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2014-02-15, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
Thoughts on including this? The revelation that you shouldn't kill people for being different than you is not new or earth-shattering. However, I found it interesting that The Giant specifically wants to save this thread and point to it as an example when anyone thinks the comic's themes are too obvious.
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2014-02-15, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-15, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
Mm, I thought we had something exactly like that, though. I think there's at least one quote that clearly states Rich's 'genocide is always wrong' views along with other stuff.
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2014-02-15, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
There will never be enough preserved phrasings of it. People's resistance to Rich's themes is infinitely morphic.
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2014-02-15, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
Tempers were running high in those two threads (myself included), so maybe we should try to keep it neutral in the Index.
I'd say "Killing Black Dragons simply because they're Black Dragons is not okay" would do for the quote.Last edited by NerdyKris; 2014-02-15 at 02:59 PM.
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2014-02-15, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index Reloaded --- (Index of the Giant's Comments II)
I'm against its inclusion, we already had similar posts.
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2014-02-15, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-15, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-15, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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