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    confused Why was Sabine whispering?

    Was she just trying not to talk over the archfiends? Being quiet because she just made a big ruckus with the couch and HDTV? Is being this upset over a mortal considered shameful for a fiend? Does helping V somehow violate her orders?
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    I'm betting the archfiends (who are still her bosses) didn't give her permission to swing this particular fight. V's not supposed to benefit from these trips Down Under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    Does helping V somehow violate her orders?
    Whether or not it explicitly violates her orders, I think she's smart enough to know that her being sufficiently emotionally invested in what the IFCC considers a used-up pawn that she's now trying to help the Order triumph over the Laurinear Guild is something her bosses should not know.

    And, correspondingly, I think Vaarsuvius' evasive answer in the current strip is explicitly chosen for not getting Sabine in trouble with anyone who might be scrying.
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    And, correspondingly, I think Vaarsuvius' evasive answer in the current strip is explicitly chosen for not getting Sabine in trouble with anyone who might be scrying.
    Also, nobody in the Order would particularly want to hear "I got it from Sabine" or "I was trapped in hell and a demon told me".
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    Sabine might be thinking that she wants access to V in the future, the next time V is pulled down. If her bosses found out she was giving away free info, regardless of whether they agree, they'd probably prevent her from having contact with V.
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    Also, V would be particularly reticent in front of two random people he's only just met. He might be willing to tell the full story to, say, Roy or Haley, but he definitely seems to prefer discretion in handing out info.
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    Was it explicitly against her orders? I don't know, maybe she doesn't either. It must have been better to not risk having the archfiends stop it. She was helping V for her reasons, after all, not theirs. They also seemed to have a policy of not giving V information, so if they heard and didn't stop it, they'd be tipping their hands a bit. They already saw how Qarr gave stuff away when he tried to fool V. Maybe it's an elaborate plot to make V think s/he can trust Sabine. Doubtful, though.
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    I assumed that she was whispering because what she was doing was against the Archfiends' goals. They don't want the Order to trounce Tarquin and co. They want to prolong the conflict for as long as possible now that Nale and Z are dead. Without the Linear Guild, there's not really anyone out there who can keep the Order busy with unnecessary conflict.

    She's keeping all this a secret because her actions are fueled by personal emotions, rather than calculated professionalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion View Post
    Also, nobody in the Order would particularly want to hear "I got it from Sabine" or "I was trapped in hell and a demon told me".
    That would be as bad as accepting help from a vampire.

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    That would be as bad as accepting help from a vampire.
    Admittedly, theres a slight difference between accepting help from something at least marginally sharing your mentality and goals, and someone that's been showing you active antagonism.
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    And who has actually attacked you.
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    And who has actually attacked you.
    Which would be enough reason for the IFCC to "allow" Sabine to "surreptitiously" help hir rather then doing it directly. Not that Sabine doesn't have her own reasons for doing so, but better for everyone if V feels they're unaware.

    After all, they still have another twenty minutes (plus three) on the clock; getting hir killed now in a caster fight blows whatever their ultimate plan is.
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    She was whispering because it looked cool on-panel.
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    I'm seeing Sabine having to make a terrible choice in the future. Sure, the LG as we know it is probably as dead as a doorNale, but the IFCC is still interested in the Gates, and Sabine is their agent with the most working knowledge of the subject.

    So what happens when Sabine has orders to (possibly) stop our heroes, but they're in the middle of a fight with Tarquin, who of course survived the next couple of strips and followed his son out into the frozen Northlands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion View Post
    Also, nobody in the Order would particularly want to hear "I got it from Sabine" or "I was trapped in hell and a demon told me".
    Oh, I don't know... The Order know how Sabine felt about Nale, after all. And I suspect that V will be telling Roy (at least) what is going on with the IFCC as it has already cost one gate.
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    Oh, I don't know... The Order know how Sabine felt about Nale, after all. And I suspect that V will be telling Roy (at least) what is going on with the IFCC as it has already cost one gate.
    Yeah, I know V said "It is never the time! I'm telling you now so it is done!", but I do hope they really sit down with Roy and let him know. Even if she leaves out Familicide, he has to know about their other-other-other(-other^N?) enemies.

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    The IFCC don't want a clear victory for any side. They want destructive unnecessary conflict.
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    I thought it was more of a mutter, myself.

    But yeah, I'm pretty sure what Sabine was doing was on her own initiative, and Evil bosses don't particularly like employees with too much initiative.

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    I don't really see the IFCC caring about TT at all though, at least not after Girard's gate was destroyed.

    They have some plan in mind for the gates, with the net result being them invading the upper planes. It gains them nothing to have the Order fighting TT - the fiends need the Order to get to the final gate post-haste to stop Xykon winning. The IFCC really only wanted the conflict to prod both Xykon and the Order into immediate, gate-seeking action.

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    Sabine was supposed to betray the Linear Guild if her masters deemed it necessary. Caring that much when Nale dies calls her loyalty into question.

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    Yes, but having just been given a dressing down for being too committed to team Nale, she doesn't want to risk her bosses stopping her from giving information to V. Better safe than revengeless
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    I agree with several of the other posters, the IFCC wants nothing but destructive, unnecessary conflict. If Sabine's advice ends up utterly crushing Tarquin's side and removes them from the conflict entirely, it's not something that is going to please them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    And, correspondingly, I think Vaarsuvius' evasive answer in the current strip is explicitly chosen for not getting Sabine in trouble with anyone who might be scrying.
    Also, because Vaarsuvius has shown that she does not wish to disclose to anyone any information whatsoever related to her soul-splice journey and the consequences thereof unless absolutely necessary (I just noticed that Grey Watcher said something along the same line of thought).

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    I still don't think that unneccessary conflict in the short term jibes with their "murder everything" plan in the long term. Let's say that they prevented Sabine from helping V, and that resulted in V getting squashed by Laurin in their fight.

    Boom, bang goes their plan...as one of them put it "If the elf gets killed here this whole thing was a huge waste of time." I just can't see them rocking their own boat on this one just for the sake of unneccessary conflict.

    Again, what do the fiends gain by helping TT other than either killing their own pawn or making it more likely for said pawn to get killed before said piece is in position later? Their best interest is served by having a full power Order at the final battle in order to make a good fight with Xykon, to provide the best opportunity for the last second backstab.

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    That would be as bad as accepting help from a vampire.
    More than that, people would wonder what circumstances lead to meeting Sabine in the Hells. Details V would trust very few people with.
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    Whether or not it explicitly violates her orders, I think she's smart enough to know that her being sufficiently emotionally invested in what the IFCC considers a used-up pawn that she's now trying to help the Order triumph over the Laurinear Guild is something her bosses should not know.
    I think it might have something more to do with the IFCC being particularly interested in Tarquin or his group. Consider: indications are that Sabine was originally sent on some sort of mission -- since she's now in thick with Sabine and Team Tarquin, most like it was for some reason that had nothing to do with the Gates, since the IFCC (or Sabine at the very least) apparently didn't know about the Gates.

    At this point, the IFCC should be able to guess that Sabine's emotionally invested. They've probably been keeping tabs on her, plus she just busted their plama-screen TV when Nale died.
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    Another two factors: there's a good possibility that very little of what they've told V can be trusted; all we know for certain is from their celebration that they wanted the gate destroyed. Second, the part about fighting L. may not be everything she told V; so while this part may not have got her into trouble something else may have.

    An while committed to telling Roy and her team about where she's been there's no reason she'd go into details for essentially a random NPC on the ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    And, correspondingly, I think Vaarsuvius' evasive answer in the current strip is explicitly chosen for not getting Sabine in trouble with anyone who might be scrying.
    That's very clever... I was so enrapt with the humor I didn't even think of that. Would that imply that V and Sabine's relationship approaches something like allies? Or was it merely convenient for Sabine to screw with Team Tarquin at that juncture by any available means?
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    That's very clever... I was so enrapt with the humor I didn't even think of that. Would that imply that V and Sabine's relationship approaches something like allies? Or was it merely convenient for Sabine to screw with Team Tarquin at that juncture by any available means?
    I'd call it returning a favor, rather than allies. Sabine helped V, so V felt that (s)he should take a reasonable step to protect Sabine.
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    I think Vaarsuvius may well be as close to an ally as Sabine has now, considering her bosses just discarded her apparently-genuinely-cared-about boyfriend.

    That doesn't necessarily mean s/he's terribly close to one; Sabine still appears to lack even the capability to value life other than Nale's.
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