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    Default Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LII

    Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef LII. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".

    Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

    Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
    32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
    If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.

    Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. Please refrain from using Taint unless it's necessary for the Secret Ingredient.

    Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Sunday, December 29th, 2013 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Sunday, January 12th, 2014 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.

    Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
    Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not. In that same vein, drawing solely from the Core 3 (and the d20 SRD) should not be punished for lacking Originality.
    Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.
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    19th|New Class Level|
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    20th|New Class Level|
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    For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)
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    For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.
    Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.

    So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!

    This week's special ingredient is:
    Book of Exalted Deed's Anointed Knight!
    We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.

    Allez, optimiser!

    Contestants

    Judges

    The Builds

    Past Competitions

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    Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
    Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
    Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
    Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
    Iron Chef V: War Chanter
    Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
    Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
    Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
    Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
    Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
    Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
    Iron Chef XII: War Mind
    Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
    Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
    Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
    Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
    Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
    Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
    Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
    Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
    Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
    Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
    Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
    Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
    Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
    Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
    Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
    Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
    Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
    Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
    Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
    Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
    Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
    Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
    Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
    Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
    Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
    Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
    Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
    Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
    Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
    Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
    Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
    Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
    Iron Chef XLV: Talon of Tiamat
    Iron Chef XLVI: Cipher Adept
    Iron Chef XLVII: Cold Iron Warrior
    Iron Chef XLVIII: Shadow Sun Ninja
    Iron Chef XLIX: Thrall to Orcus
    Iron Chef L: Corrupt Avenger

    Iron Chef LI: Black Flame Zealot
    Last edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2013-12-04 at 06:10 PM.

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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    FAQ:
    What's this even about? I'm glad you asked, actually...

    Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.

    What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.

    Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.

    What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.

    Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines and the Retraining options presented in the PHB2 are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.

    What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.

    What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is mechanically illegal by the RAW, the judge may give the build a score of 0 in Elegance, and proceed to judge the entry as if the offending material was not included. Failing to meet a special requirements for a prestige class does not merit a 0, but may qualify for a penalty, at the judge's discretion. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.

    Anoint Ancestral Weapon: Sentient Weapon? If you do decide to use this specific ability/oil, you choose which mentals go where, but let me know and I'll roll you a pair of lesser powers.

    Anoint Self: Celestial Strategy? For the purposes of this specific competition, treat it as you would a monk bonus feat (that is, to say, that you receive and may use it regardless of whether or not you should qualify for it. Note that if your Dexterity is not high enough to allow additional Attacks of Opportunity, you can take only 1 per round regardless.

    Anoint Ancestral Weapon: Unicorn's Blood? Since there's no Unicorn, assume that the weapon is the donor for the Ravage (because somebody is going to start on about it).

    Anoint Self: Divine Clairity? Can be taken once, for a bonus to a single ability score.

    Armor/Shield Proficiencies? Yes, it is awesome and true. Since it says 'all' without any sort of limiting factor, it means all, much like the Factotum's class skill list.

    Anoint Weapon/Ancestral Relic interaction? Your Ancestral Relic must qualify as a weapon in order to benefit from this class feature.

    Ritual Oil costs? No, they are not counted as part of the base value of your Ancestral Relic.

    Class level or Character Level? The 'level' referred to in the Anoint Self and Anoint Ancestral Weapon tables is your (Anointed Knight) Class level, not your Character level.

    Relic Value and Base Weapon cost? They aren't related at all. Text trumps Table, so the Relic Value presented in the Book of Exalted Deeds table in the Ancestral Relic feat is only the cost of the enhancement. Mind that the weapon must still abide by the normal weapon enhancement rules, and is limited to the +10 equivalent value ceiling.

    What does 120' sight and hearing mean? It means that the weapon can only visually/audibly sense things within 120'.
    Last edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2013-12-07 at 07:20 PM.

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    The Power of the Orient: A Wu Jen Handbook

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. Kemp
    Frankly, I think the designers and novelists did great work in the post-Spellplague Realms. But, in the end, this wasn’t a new setting. It was the Realms, the Realms 100 years later, and therein lay the problem.

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    Called it.

    Well, I thought it was gonna be warrior of darkness, but that's the same.

    I'm in to cook.
    fight my brute! it's a lot of fun
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    Venger, can you be my full-time memory aid please?
    Iron Chef Medals!
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    Iron Chef Deep Freeze: Turning Tables on Old Dishes

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    Sweet. Let's see what I can do with my meager skills. I shall cook.
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    *Cracks open the relevant pdf and gets cracking.* This time I'm doing my skill points right!

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    Oh, and the link to the BFZ challenge is outside of the spoiler.
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    I am in to judge, and here is my metric.

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    Note: I started each category at a 3, with players the ability to earn up to a 5.

    Note: the term ‘feature’ is used in many of the calculations below and a feature is defined as an aspect of the secret ingredient that is a requirement for entry, or gained through the levels. In the case of Black Flame Zealot the following features are:
    Stealth (hide, move silently), Religion (knowledge (religion), Zealous Heart), Weapon use (weapon prof (kukri)), Mental resilience (iron will), Spell Casting (divine casting), Fire (sacred flame, unholy immolation), Assassination (sneak attack, death attack, poison use). There are seven total.

    Originality
    -(i/x), i = each iteration of a race, class, feat, or maxed skill set (maximum ranks available) being used by another player, x total amount of players.
    +.25, if a race, class, feat, or maxed skill set that was not used by another player.

    Note: features of the secret ingredient are excluded from the above calculation.

    Note: features that are separate from each other regardless how similar are treated separately. Knowledge (religion) is as separate from Knowledge (nature) as a Desert Half-Orc is from a Half-Orc.

    Power
    +.25, for each feature of the secret ingredient that has been reinforced.
    -0.5, for each feature of the secret ingredient missing reinforcement.
    +/- x, (offense) x=((average damage output at level 20)*(initiative/10))/100.
    +/- x, (defense) x=((HP max 1st average the remainder)*(AC/40))/100.
    +/-.25, for each of the following that are not SI features: Spell casting level >= 8, AC (with max mundane available) >= 35, Social modifiers (2 of diplomacy, bluff, sense motive) >= 40, Stealth modifiers (hide and move silently) >= 40, Scouting modifiers (listen and spot) >= 40, Knowledge modifiers (2 or more knowledge) >=40, Crowd Control (3 or more mass CC effects).

    Note: max damage output is capped at 500 offering a maximum of +2, there is no need for an orbital charger.

    Note: AC is calculated using 4 if limited to wearing light, 6 if limited to wearing medium, and 8 if allowed to wear heavy. AC will be given an addition 2 if allowed to use a shield (meaning not 2 handed).

    Note: reinforced can mean a number of things generally maxed skill ranks where appropriate, a feat that is related, racial and class bonuses and/or synergies, etc.

    Elegance
    -1 per flaw, failure to qualify for a feat, class, etc.
    +x, per class 5 or more levels, where X= levels*0.1 (if a 5 level class 0.5 points, if a 10 level class 1 point).
    -1 for a 1 level splash, -0.5 for a 2 level splash.
    +/-x, discretionary use for alignment issues, cheese, rules interpretations, etc.

    Note: failures to qualify will be a cascading cumulative effect, meaning that if failure to qualify for X means that you also would then fail to qualify for Y then you would fail to qualify for both.

    Use of Secret Ingredient
    +0.5, if the SI class feature is reinforced in a superb manner the combination of three or more reinforcement factors.
    +.25, if the SI class feature is reinforced in an good manner the combination of two reinforcement factors.
    -.25, if the SI class feature is not reinforced in any manner.
    -0.5, if the SI class feature is not reinforced and receives a negative penalty due to something else in the build such as a poor ability score, armor penalties, etc.

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    Oh, and the link to the BFZ challenge is outside of the spoiler.
    That's because BFZ was 51, and the spoiler was for the 1st 50.
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    Oh, and the link to the BFZ challenge is outside of the spoiler.
    I am well aware - it's the First of the Second Fifty. I just didn't want the post to stretch halfway to Perdition. I'm going to keep posting them outside so people can easily reference the last few contests.

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    Chair, I have a question.

    I know we cannot pick the same ability from the self or weapon chart.

    However, with regards to our "Divine Clarity" ability, since it can improve our wis/int/or cha, is picking it once to say, bump wis, and once again to bump int allowed, or is that also "picking it twice?"
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    undecided as of this moment but looks interesting

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    That's because BFZ was 51, and the spoiler was for the 1st 50.
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    I am well aware - it's the First of the Second Fifty. I just didn't want the post to stretch halfway to Perdition. I'm going to keep posting them outside so people can easily reference the last few contests.
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    Chair, I have a question.

    I know we cannot pick the same ability from the self or weapon chart.

    However, with regards to our "Divine Clarity" ability, since it can improve our wis/int/or cha, is picking it once to say, bump wis, and once again to bump int allowed, or is that also "picking it twice?"
    I would read it as Divine Clarity is a single ability that can only be chosen a single time for a boost to Int/Wis/Cha once.

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    Huh. Neat. Not sure I'll actually have time to participate, but I'm damn sure going to try to get a build in.

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    I've been watching these threads for a good long while now. I figure it's high time I take up the pot and ladle myself. I'm in.

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    I will probably be participating but I have a question. The PrC says it is proficient with all armor and shields. Does this include exotic ones? By RAW it seems it does but I'm unaware if there were any at the time of publication, so I wanted to ask.
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    I've got a question about formatting.

    Typically in a class table, features after the first character aren't capitalized or italicized unless they're proper nouns or whatever.

    In our tables, do you judges prefer to see capitalized text throughout or as in class tables? Some examples:

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    okay, appearently i rolled a 1 on book-fu ... where is the rules for point buy placed?

    rolled Google-fu and found it ... DMG p169
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    Time to be a fly in the (anointed) oil.

    The Anointed Knight PrC has a requirement of the feat Ancestral Relic which states:
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    Choose an item you own. The item must be of masterwork quality, and it must be an item that once belonged....
    The Anointed Knight then gains the ability Anoint Ancestral Weapon which states:
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    An anointed knight concocts a magic oil with which to coat her ancestral weapon, at a cost of.... If the oil is applied to a weapon other than the anointed knight's ancestral weapon, nothing happens and the oil is wasted...
    (All bolding of text above is my own addition for emphasis.)

    So, my questions:
    • Does an Anointed Knight gain an ancestral weapon that is separate from her ancestral relic? (Though they could be the same item.)
    • Does the Anoint Ancestral Weapon ability only work on an anointed relic, even if that relic isn't a weapon?
    • Does the Anoint Ancestral Weapon ability only work on an anointed relic that is a weapon?
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    Sorry to be a stickler for spelling, but can we correct those to "Anoint" and "Anointed" as appropriate?

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    So, my questions:
    • Does an Anointed Knight gain an ancestral weapon that is separate from her ancestral relic? (Though they could be the same item.)
    • Does the Anoint Ancestral Weapon ability only work on an anointed relic, even if that relic isn't a weapon?
    • Does the Anoint Ancestral Weapon ability only work on an anointed relic that is a weapon?
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    is Retraining (as per PHB II ) allowed as long as the build, at any time, is legal?

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    Really?

    That's a class that was not on my radar.

    I'm in of course.

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    Ooh, an Exalted PrC. I can see this getting fun and messy.

    Ah, not Exalted as such. Still, should provide some interesting entries. A crafting-esque based PrC - I take it back, this will get fun and messy.

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    Assuming y'all are willing to suffer my sophomore attempt, I'll happily judge again. I'm reworking my judging methodology after the first go-through (with no offense intended to Ponies who I stole it from) and will follow up with it later.

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    Yet another question

    the Bonus feat that Anointed Knight picks from seem to be nearly all the Fighter bonus feats in PHB (quick overview says only Improved critical and the Mounted line aren't on the list of the PHB fighter feats) ... its it allowed to use it to pick bonus fighter feats from PHB2 (or other books)?
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    Yet another question

    the Bonus feat that Anointed Knight picks from seem to be nearly all the Fighter bonus feats in PHB (quick overview says only Improved critical and the Mounted line aren't on the list of the PHB fighter feats) ... its it allowed to use it to pick bonus fighter feats from PHB2 (or other books)?
    Generally, its RAW so unless its one of the feats listed on BoED pg 51 in the Bonus Feats section its not a legal choice.

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    is Retraining (as per PHB II ) allowed as long as the build, at any time, is legal?
    I haven't seen any real problems from the judges in past competitions, as a judge this round I can say I don't have a problem with it. I can't speak for all judges though.
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    I haven't seen any real problems from the judges in past competitions, as a judge this round I can say I don't have a problem with it. I can't speak for all judges though.
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rama View Post
    Assuming y'all are willing to suffer my sophomore attempt, I'll happily judge again. I'm reworking my judging methodology after the first go-through (with no offense intended to Ponies who I stole it from) and will follow up with it later.
    Offended? I'm flattered. Also, unless inspiration strikes I may judge this round. The class just feels so...vanilla.
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